Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY YEMM 1859 Mitcheldean

Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY YEMM 1859 Mitcheldean (reply)

margaretk — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:36:21 +0000

Interested in a Charlotte Yemm baptised 27 September 1825 Ruardean, natural daughter of William Yemm labourer and Jane Hale.
Is this likely to be the same William Yemm?

Sarah STERRY 1853 -1886 Longhope (reply)

peteressex — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:51:48 +0000

I'll certainly accept the possibility of scrawl and mistranscription. I was also going to say, with reference to the other records, that if it was acceptable for Annie to have the illegitimate Laura baptised on her home patch at Lydney Primitive Methodist chapel, it is perhaps unlikely that Laura in turn would have been packed off in disgrace for Beatrice to be born and baptised several miles away.

Sarah STERRY 1853 -1886 Longhope (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:03:02 +0000

Laura and Sara may look similar in a handwritten document .....

Year: 1853
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: STERRY
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Longhope
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Lander
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of: Born July 17th 1853
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

1861 Little London
Charles Sterrey abt 1827 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
Hannah Sterrey abt 1815 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Wife Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eli Sterrey abt 1848 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Caleb Sterrey abt 1850 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Sterrey abt 1852 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Sarah Sterrey abt 1854 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Charles Sterrey abt 1856 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Anna Sterrey abt 1858 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire

1871
Sarah Sterry abt 1854 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Servant Churcham, Gloucestershire

1881
Sarah Sterry abt 1854 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Servant Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

has she married 0r died by 1891 ?

Name: Sarah Sterrey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 33
DISTRICT: Westbury On Severn
COUNTY: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 187

Laura Eliza STERRY 1886 Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:29:51 +0000

1861
Richard Sterry abt 1824 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Eliza Sterry abt 1832 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Sterry abt 1856 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard Sterry abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1871
Richard Sterrey 48
Eliza Sterrey 36
William Sterrey 15
Richard Sterrey 11
John [ANNIE] Sterrey 9
Henry Sterrey 7

1881
Richard Sterry abt 1823 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Eliza Sterry abt 1833 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard Sterry abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Annie Sterry abt 1862 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Harry Sterry abt 1864 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Name: Laura Eliza Sterry
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Chepstow
COUNTY: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 12

Year: 1886
Month: Aug
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: STERRY
Child_Forenames: Laura Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Queen Street Lydney
Occupation: Domestic
Officiating_Minister: Jno. Guy
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born June 28th
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598/4/2
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Lydney Primitive Methodist

1891
Henry James abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ann James abt 1862 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Laura James abt 1886 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Penlea James abt 1890 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1901
Henry James abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Ann James abt 1861 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
Laura James abt 1887 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Pemla James abt 1890 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Ellen James abt 1892 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Richard James abt 1894 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Henry James abt 1897 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Frank James abt 1900 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire

Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY YEMM 1859 Mitcheldean (reply)

peteressex — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:02:42 +0000

None of this persuades me that Laura, the mother of Beatrice, had any other surname than Sterry. I have two reasons for saying that:

1. Why else would the curate have left the mother's surname blank if it wasn't that the mother's surname was the same as the child's and didn't need repetition?

2. I can't recall seeing any other example of an illegitimate child being baptised with the father's surname in effect given but the mother's surname left blank. (By contrast you used to get numerous instances of an illegitimate child being baptised with the father's surname as the child's second given name, which didn't happen here.)

I'd say it remains a mystery, but thankyou everyone for looking into it. I am currently expanding the Sterry branch of my family tree and if I find a Laura Sterry of an age to have had Beatrice around 1882, despite no registration coming to light so far, I'll post the news.

Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY YEMM 1859 Mitcheldean (reply)

Dewey — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:22:10 +0000

Sarah Yemm had three children.
William baptised at Abenhall October 10,1790 under name Yeam.
No father listed.

Mary baptised at Michedean Sept 4,1795 as Yem,
No father listed

Emanuel baptised at Abenhall Nov 26, 1801 or 1802
Father listed as John Bosley and mother as Sarah Yem

William used the name William Bosley Yemm throughout his life and many of his children changed their surname to Bosley in the 1850s and later. we suspect but have no proof that John Bosley was Williams father.
Is Isaak a descendent of this branch?

In the case of Emanuel, he used Yemm and his descendents also did until the 1880s when almost all became Bosleys or Boseleys.

Dewey, 3Xgrandson of Emanuel

Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY YEMM 1859 Mitcheldean (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:16:43 +0000

Paul

Could this be another YEMM / BOSELEY branch

struggling to find this Issak/Isiah

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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TEAGUE Laura Margaret Monmouth 11a 47
Yemm Isaac Bosley Monmouth 11a 47

Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: YEMM
Grooms_Forenames: Isaac Bosley
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: butcher
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Yemm
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William Bosley
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: TEAGUE
Brides_Forenames: Laura Margaret
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Teague
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: currier
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: David Jones
Witness_2: Emma Hudson
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

1881
Eliza Teague abt 1824 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Laura Teagueabt 1856 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Charlotte Robinson abt 1846 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1861
William Yemm abt 1791 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Abinghall, Gloucestershire
Mary Yemm abt 1791 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abinghall, Gloucestershire
Frank [ISAAK?] Yemm abt 1859 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Abinghall, Gloucestershire

Isaac/Isaiah BOSELEY 1859 Mitcheldean (?) (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:07:50 +0000

Record_ID: 226496
Entry_Number: 486
Year: 1857
Month: May
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: BOSLEY
Child_Forenames: Isaiah
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Abenhall
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: R[ichard] Vaughan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Mitcheldean Chapel
Register_Reference: D2598 5/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Laura L MOORE 1860 Mitcheldean (reply)

peteressex — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:16:01 +0000

I like it lots. Regardless of how many illegitimacies are unearthed, if you can find the missing link between my line and the Longhope/Ruardean Sterrys who go back at least to a marriage in 1539, you will be lauded as a hero by numerous of us Sterrys/Sterreys who can't find a direct line back beyond Richard Sterry's 1790s marriage at Minsterworth.

Laura BOSELEY 1859 Mitcheldean (?) (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:48:12 +0000

I wonder if this is Laura MOORE ?

1891
Isaak Bosley abt 1857 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Castleford, Yorkshire
Laura Bosley abt 1859 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Castleford, Yorkshire

{ Update 17/4/11 Laura is a TEAGUE }

Laura L MOORE 1860 Mitcheldean (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:33:56 +0000

I'm looking for a possible "Longhope" STERRY :-)

Laura L MOORE 1860 Mitcheldean (reply)

peteressex — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:23:41 +0000

Thanks, Slowhands. It's an interesting possibility. Sterrys have abounded for many centuries not far from Mitcheldean, so conceivably (no pun intended) Laura Moore/More fell prey to one and took the rap whilst Beatrice took the surname. But it would still be unusual for the register to take that form, and there of course I'm assuming the transcriber got it dead right.

Laura L MOORE 1860 Mitcheldean (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:54:16 +0000

Not wishing to "accuse" , but here is a possible Laura

Name: Laura Louisa Moore
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Westbury On Severn
COUNTY: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 186

1861
Timothy Moore abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Moore abt 1829 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Frederic Moore abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Laura Moore abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Matthews abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

1871 Jovial Colliers Inn
Timothy Moore 41 East Dean
Sophia Moore 40 Mitcheldean
Fredericka Moore 13 Mitcheldean
Laura Moore 10 Mitcheldean
Thomas Moore 8 Mitcheldean
Annie Moore 5 Mitcheldean
Kate Moore 5 Mitcheldean
Herbert Moore 2 Mitcheldean
George Amburg 40 Mitcheldean

1881
Laura More abt 1861 Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

1881
Timothy Moore abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Moore abt 1824 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Annie Moore abt 1866 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Herbert Moore abt 1870 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George Moore abt 1879 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

difficult to pick up a "trace" in 1891

1901
Henry Taylor abt 1866 Kentish TN, London, England Head Islington, London
Annie Taylor abt 1868 Mitchelean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Islington, London
Laura L Moore abt 1865 Mitchelean, Gloucestershire, England Sister-in-Law Islington, London
Georgin E Taylor abt 1893 Kentish TN, London, England Daughter Islington, London
Irene Kate Taylor abt 1899 Holloway, London, England Daughter Islington, London

possible?
Name: Laura L Moore
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 1359

Another Sterry mystery (reply)

peteressex — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:41:11 +0000

No. You may well be able to correct me but I don't remember coming across single mothers registering their children with the father's surname when the father is unstated and the child is base-born. (For example, I've been through over 200 years of baptisms over at Avening without seeing such an instance.) What you do quite often see in those days is the father's surname being given as the child's middle name. This one is plain Beatrice, the mother plain Laura.

Beatrice COX nee STERRY 1882 - (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:28:04 +0000

Her mother is registered as Laura of Mitcheldean.

Is the mother named as a STERRY on the birth cert ?

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Year: 1882
Month: May
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: STERRY
Child_Forenames: Beatrice
Fathers_Forenames: [base born]
Mothers_Forenames: Laura
Mothers_Surname: [BLANK]
Residence: Mitcheldene
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Chris.Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 206
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

Name: Beatrice Sterry
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: Westbury On Severn
COUNTY: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 272

1891
with a relative ?

1901
Matilda [MARTHA] Barnett abt 1843 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Quedgeley, Gloucestershire
Wm Abel Barnett abt 1876 Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Quedgeley, Gloucestershire
Beatrice Sterry abt 1882 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Servant Quedgeley, Gloucestershire

Is she related to Martha ?
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=31606

Probable marriage the COX's are neighbours in Quedgeley:-
Name: Beatrice Sterry
Name: Charles William Cox
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Gloucester (1837-1937)
COUNTY: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 455

1911
COX BEATRICE F 1882 29 Gloucester Gloucestershire
COX CHARLES M 1877 34 Gloucester Gloucestershire
COX HAROLD M 1907 4 Gloucester Gloucestershire
COX HILDA F 1908 3 Gloucester Gloucestershire
COX WILLIAM M 1910 11 MONTHS Gloucester Gloucestershire

Name: Charles W Cox
Death Registration Month/Year: 1926
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 315

possible remarriage:-
Name: Beatrice Cox
Spouse : William C Evans
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1932
Registration district: Gloucester
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 592

Laura Eliza STERRY of Lydney - another mystery

peteressex — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:15:26 +0000

Laura Eliza Sterry was baptised at Lydney on 02/08/1886 with a stated birth date of 28/06/1886. As far as available records tell, she was the only known Laura Sterry of those days in Gloucestershire. She was the base-born daughter of Ann/Annie Sterry (my gt-grandfather's sister) who eventually married Henry James, both partners being natives of Lydney.

Beatrice Sterry was baptised at Westbury-o-S on 18/05/1882, again being illegitimate. Her mother is registered as Laura of Mitcheldean.

So it appears Laura criss-crossed the Forest and had a baby over four years before she was born. I don't think so. Can anybody suggest how this miracle came to be recorded?