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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to say these  lads were  my great uncles. If you   follow the thread here some answers!!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I wonder, whether he may  not  have been allocated to a regiment in Sydney    but travelled to Perth  gets uniform is allocated to a regiment and embarks???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  have   been thinking  about the Omrah and I wonder  if Mr Scott   would  have talked  with two labourers? They were coal mining lads. I suppose my picture is   coloured  by the Titanic films, steerage and more wealthy. I  suspect at their age  they  would  have been 10  years in the pits each like   most forest lads.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Sid I  have  a feeling that's  not our George Smith. Jessie Smith (1892-1976)  married a Marchant  and  lived  in UK all her   life. She was  my maternal granny  brought  up in Lane End. She  was  the youngest. She had a slightly  older brother Alfred (born 1889) who I haven't really followed up although  there  was an Alfred Smith in the prison records...I haven't  chased further YET!!! So Frank (1874-1960)  Amos (1879-1942) and Benjamin (1876-1946) were the lads  that went to the NSW coalfields<br />
George the recently enlisted soldier and postcard writer born 1875 was  their cousin (son of George Smith (1847-1917) and Sarah-Ann Dobbs (1848-1923) my granny's uncle and aunt... Boy I wish  there was another  name OTHER than Smith!!!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Sid, Been off the search for a few days. Is it possible George enlisted in Sydney  and travelled to Perth  to be allocated to  his regiment and to embark on  a troop ship? I suppose  that would require  finding out   where the various  regiments were  headquartered?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>If you wish, let me know the most promising of the clues to follow up as well. I have some details of  George Smiths from Newcastle during WW1 taken from Trove newspapers site which give brief details of ones returning from the war injured or completed service of killed in action. Just to eliminate them or the clue just might be the trigger to link them.</p>
<p>Remember that if George's friendship was closest to Amos rather than Frank or Benjamin, in 1913 Electoral rolls (and then until the end of his life), Amos and Jemima had moved to North Balmain, a Sydney Suburb so Georges records might be centred in Sydney, rather than Newcastle.</p>
<p>There is an unopened WW1 service record for a George Smith whose next of kin lived in Balmain, age is close, so a slim chance that could be him. However he enlisted in a small town South West of Sydney which doesn't seem like it would be him except that it did have a history of Gold mining, although this was in decline by 1913.</p>
<p>Talk about a needle in a haystack</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sid! That fits  George Smith born 1875 a bit later than his cousins! I have   some clues  from the Newcastle Family History Society to  chase  up too!!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Regarding the Cousin, George Smith and his voyage to Australia, there is a record of a George Smith, aged 38 and a Miner by occupation embarking in Liverpool on board the ship &quot;Ayrshire&quot; to depart on 30th September 1912. He travelled 3rd Class.<br />
(Record in on Ancestry under UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger lists 1890-1960. He was to land in Sydney NSW.</p>
<p>There is another record of him arriving in Sydney 30th November 1912. (NSW Australia Unassisted Immigrant Passenger lists 1826-1922 on Ancestry)</p>
<p>Ships Master was W.J.Page. The vessel was 7751 Tons Gross.<br />
Its end came in 1926 off SW India when it was abandoned after catching fire.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again</p>
<p>Amos Smith is listed on the passenger list for the Orient Line's R.M.S. &quot;Oruba&quot; 3351 Tons, Captained by John Linklater, travelling from the Port of London, arriving in Sydney 28th September 1901.<br />
He is listed as a 3rd class passenger. No other details recorded against his name.<br />
Trivia about the voyage and ship.<br />
Three people died during the trip. Two from natural causes with the third being a boy named John Clark,ten and a half years old was killed when he fell down one of the coal bunker chutes on 25th August.<br />
After the ship left Fremantle West Australia for the final run to Eastern Australian ports, it encountered a South West gale off Cape Leuwin. The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reported &quot;it made things lively for a while, seas breaking on the high decks with exceptional fury , causing the 6000 * ton ship to labour heavily&quot;. Another newspaper reported the ship took on huge amounts of water.<br />
* This contradicts the 3351 tons shown on the passenger list.From a history of the ship, it appears the larger figure was the gross tonnage and the lighter one was the net tonnage.<br />
In late 1914,during the early part of WW1, Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty came up with the idea of disguising merchant ships to look like capital warships. One of those purchased (reportedly 14 ships) was &quot;Oruba&quot;. With the addition of wooden profiles added it was made to resemble the Super Dreadnought Battleship HMS &quot;Orion&quot;. However the Germans weren't fooled, probably because the construction activity was reported in the New York Times.<br />
The &quot;Oruba&quot; was scuttled in 1916 at Lemnos Greece to act as a breakwater.<br />
(Source for this information was Benjidog Ship Histories, also confirmed on other websites.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey.</p>
<p>P.S. Brief details of the Smith Brothers emigrating to Australia are also recorded on the &quot;Emigrants list&quot; under the resources tab of this site.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Regarding details of the three Smith Brothers Emmigating to Australia see passenger list details below (obtained from Ancestry) which i believe are the Brothers.</p>
<p>(a) The Orient liner R.M.S. &quot;Omrah&quot;, Captain J.F. Ruthven, 8291 Tons with 225 * Statute adults sailed from London on 13th October 1899 on a voyage of 56 days via Plymouth, Colombo,Albany,Adelaide, Melbourne and finally Sydney . Other Ports of call were also listed.<br />
Ben Smith age 23 described as a labourer.<br />
Frank Smith age 25 also a labourer.<br />
Some trivia concerning the voyage and passenger list is that on board were 180 NavalRatings returning to Garden Island, Sydney.<br />
Another passenger was a Mr Scott who owned a very successful Drapery store in Hunter Street Newcastle. ( Did he get talking to the Smith brothers and convince them to make their fortunes in Newcastle ??)<br />
on 27th November the ship berthed in Sydney at the Companies wharf on the East Side of Circular Quay.<br />
* The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reported that there were between &quot;900 &amp; 1,000 souls on board during most of the voyage&quot;.<br />
The &quot;Omrah&quot; was the largest Orient line passenger vessel built in the 19th Century. Built in Glasgow, she had her maiden voyage during February 1899.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
<p>Details of Amos' voyage and possibly George Smith's as well to follow.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Regarding Alfred and Annie Smith, I suspect they died young. If you search the Parish records on this site there are a couple of Burial entries which I think could be them.<br />
Alfred Smith, aged two buried 13th April 1892 in the Parish of Christchurch while living at Mile End.<br />
Annie Smith, aged 14 buried 23rd March 1899 in the Parish of Christchurch while living at Mile End.</p>
<p>The images of the original church registers are also available on Ancestry.</p>
<p>Sid Toomey</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's  wonderful Sid. No I don't  have the details  of   how the Smith brothers  my great uncles came to be  in Australia. In fact I was surprised  they emigrated before  the Great War. I think the George Smith is the cousin of Benjamin and I agree  with you about his eyes. I did  wonder  whether  he would have been frontline in view of his age so   wondered about the sort of role in which he would  have  been deployed. That doesn't help  with the number of Smiths!!!The Newcastle NSW Museum  were  very  helpful and pointed me to a family history society in the Newcastle/Hunter Valley  but I haven't heard back yet!<br />
I am a bit fascinated  by George as  a bit  of his character  comes to life from the photo and curious spelling!<br />
I am also  looking for any  trace of Great Uncle Alfred Smith 1889-   and Great Aunt Annie Smith 3/1/1885 Benjamin and Ruth Chamberlain Smith's other  children. My granny Jessie Smith  was the baby so I  have  her birthday books and postcard  albums to work from!! I feel a little careless  losing  the part of the family that I don't think emigrated...or did they!<br />
I might  have a go at posting the photograph of the family matriarch. I think I need to look at  how  quickly studio photography developed in the Dean area  to gauge which lady was depicted!!! I half hope  someone else  will have a similar copy and can easily identify her!!!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
 Do you have details of exactly when Benjamin, Frank, Amos and George Smith came to Australia ?<br />
If you don't,, let me know as i have details of dates and the ships on which they possibly came, which look promising.<br />
I also found a newspaper article regarding the details of Franks divorce which is interesting.Let me know if you want more information.<br />
Regarding tracing the photograph of the soldier in Perth W.A. which is likely George Smith , i have done some haphazard searching of the National Archives of Australia, WW1 Soldiers service records, just to get a feel for &quot;the needle in the haystack&quot;.<br />
Doing a name search (free) for &quot;George Smith&quot; comes up with 655 possibilities where the given name &quot;George&quot; appears as one of the Smith given names.<br />
Out of these , around a third of the records have not yet been examined so further details are not available  on line.<br />
Looking at the remainder, without opening the record which might sometimes be twenty or more pages long, there are numerous records for George Smiths from Newcastle and districts who enlisted in the Army in WW1.<br />
Just by looking for ones born in the UK narrowed the search , and for records for someone born in Gloucestershire or Wales or Herefordshire narrowed the search to just a handful.<br />
Also, looking at the photograph, i think (and i am definitely not an expert), by looking around the eyes, the person doesn't appear to be &quot;Young&quot;, so if i am correct we are looking for someone &quot;mature&quot; which would match your George Smith's age.<br />
There are so many flaws in this line of searching that i don't want to think of them.<br />
Using &quot;Trove&quot; digitised Newspapers, i searched for the war years and a possible mention of a George Smith, restricting the search to the Newcastle Newspaper. There were several articles involving returned soldiers, killed in action or invalided back to Australia. Each of them gave further information to follow but since we don't know for sure if George actually lived in Newcastle or whether he worked in the mines in the Hunter Valley or Catherine Bay or Maitland, it widens the search area immensely. Having an uncommon name like &quot;George Smith&quot; certainly doesn't help.<br />
Haven't given up on the search.<br />
Sid Toomey</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very keen to see  this photo. I managed  with difficulty (lots) to post George Smith!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much I really  struggled  with this!<br />
For  seekers of the Smith family, this is George Smith born 1875 who  has just signed  up and  gone into Ruskin studios in Perth Western Australia to have his portrait done in his new uniform. He has scribbled on the back of the photo 'To Amos and Jimima and family Merry Exam (sic) and a Happy New Year.<br />
Amos  was  Amos Smith (1879-1942) son of Benjamin Smith (1852-1919) and Ruth Chamberlain Brown (1854-1931) of Lower Lane Five Acres who  had followed  his brothers Frank and Benjamin  to the New South Wales  coalfields in 1901 and  met Jemima Macculloch (1883-1944)whom he married in Sydney in 1902.<br />
George Smith was Amos' cousin. George  was the oldest son of George Smith (1847-1917) and Sarah Ann Smith nee Dobbs (1848-1923) of West Dean<br />
I am trying to find out  more about George!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Freda,</p>
<p>The link you've used is to the page, not the image.</p>
<p>Here's your link</p>
<pre><code>https://imgur.com/gallery/ByjHnC2</code></pre><p>It should be </p>
<p><code>https://i.imgur.com/MSVtWKC.jpeg</code></p>
<p>Here's your image</p>
<p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/MSVtWKC.jpeg" alt="[image]"  /></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[img]&lt;blockquote class=&quot;imgur-embed-pub&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot; data-id=&quot;a/ByjHnC2&quot;  &gt;&lt;a href=&quot;//imgur.com/a/ByjHnC2&quot;&gt;George Smith just  signed up  in the Australian army&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;script async src=&quot;//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js&quot; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;&gt;&lt;/script&gt;[/img]</p>
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