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John Labon ADAMS - 1911 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:58:55 +0000

Birth records (on FreeBMD etc) - after 1911 - gives the maiden name of the mother....

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

???

On the 1911 census

Address: 10 River Street, Ystrad-Rhondda

John ADAMS, age 23 married for 1 year - age 23, Colliery Haulier above Ground, born, Gloucester Redbrook

Annie ADAMS - age 21 - born Glamorgan, Ystrad, Rhondda

George James ADAMS - son - age 6 months, born Glamorgan, Ystrad, Rhondda

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Death on Ancestry: of George James ADAMS

J/A/S 1981 - Pontypridd, District - age 70 - birth date 11 October 1910

Children of James ADAMS and Harriet MORGAN married Redbrook (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:37:40 +0000

Not sure this is the same family but:-

Census 1841 Tything/Newland/Incline.

James Morgan 50 Block Layer
Henry 15
Richard 10
Edward 5
Mary (Ann) 10
Harriet 5

The Incline is Redbrook.

Harriet would have been born c1836 so 34 when married.

I think this was the only Morgan family in Redbrook. Although not appearing in the 1841 Census, James's wife Mary was sister to my gggrandmother Susannah Carpenter.

If this is the right family you've hit the jackpot. The IGI sheets will take you back to the 1500's Wedmore Somerset.

Roger

John Labon ADAMS 1885 (-1951 ?) Redbrook -> Pontypridd (reply)

graigwen — Wed, 11 May 2011 15:27:24 +0000

This is looking SOpromising.......how did you find out the birth dates of John 1912,Dilwyn 1914, and Betty in 1915?...I'm still learning too !

John Labon ADAMS 1885 (-1951 ?) Redbrook -> Pontypridd (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 May 2011 09:13:09 +0000

Name: John Luban Adams
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 2[41]

Year: 1885
Month: Aug
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: ADAMS
Child_Forenames: John Laban
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: G Griffiths Lane Assistant Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born July 10 1885
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 287
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1891
James Adams abt 1844 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Harrie H Adams abt 1841 Trellick, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
William James Adams abt 1873 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Emily Mary Adams abt 1875 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Beatrice Harriett Adams abt 1882 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ellen Adams abt 1888 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
John Labon Adams abt 1886 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1901
John Adams abt 1886 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Servant Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: Margaret Ann Lewis (or Sarah Jane Price )
Name: John Labon Adams
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration county (inferred): Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 983

1911
ADAMS JOHN M 1888 23 Pontypridd Glamorganshire ( born Redbrook)

ADAMS/LEWIS offspring in Pontypridd maybe yours
John C Adams 1912 Oct-Nov-Dec Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Dilwyn Adams 1914 Jul-Aug-Sep Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Betty Adams 1915 Oct-Nov-Dec Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan

Name: John L Adams
Death Registration Month/Year: 1951
Age at death (estimated): 64
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 893

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS 1880 (reply)

graigwen — Tue, 10 May 2011 19:03:58 +0000

yes this is the right family.I'm stumped!any help is appreciated.i've found out about them all, except Beatrice and also John Laban.Thanks

Beatrice Harriet - GARDNER (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 10 May 2011 16:08:24 +0000

You could send for a birth certificate of one of the two children i.e. Gordon Stanley GARDNER, born in 1906 Newport M and Providence Annie GARDNER, born 1909 Newport M.

If you use the website FreeBDM - and search for these two births, this would give you the information. I think there are instructions on FOD on how to go about sending for certificates from the General Records Office - which also has a website - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro.contents

The birth certificates would give the maiden name of the mother - and if Beatrice Harriet did marry a LEWIS in Newport M (see previous reply) prior to marrying Herbert GARDNER, this surname would possibly be on the children's certificate as well, as was the case with my Grandmother's birth certificate.

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS 1880 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 10 May 2011 15:41:47 +0000

.Is there any way I can confirm this is the right one?her parents were James Adams 1843 and Harriet Morgan 1841

1881
James Adams abt 1844 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Harriet Adams abt 1841 Trellick, Monmouth, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Margaret Adams t abt 1871 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
James Adams abt 1873 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Adams abt 1875 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Florence Adams abt 1876 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Edith Adams abt 1879 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Beatrice Adams Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: Beatrice Harriet Adams
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 25

1871
James Adams 26
Harriett Adams 29
Margeret H Adams 2 Months

Name: Harriet Morgan
Name: James Adams
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1870
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 40

Beatrice Harriet - GARDNER (reply)

graigwen — Tue, 10 May 2011 15:05:38 +0000

I can't thank you enough for all the hard work..I am now trying tio see if this is the right Beatrice,the age fits,so does the Redbrook bit and to be honest, the name Gordon does ring some very distant bells!As for the name Providence.......well!Ia m new to all this, including using a laptop but it is really fascinating!I'll keep digging,Finding out about Beatrice Adams has become a bit of a mission for me.Is there any way I can confirm this is the right one?her parents were James Adams 1843 and Harriet Morgan 1841.Any guidance in w2here to go from here would be appreciated[STEP BY STEP IF POSSIBLE PLEASE]Many thanks again

Beatrice Harriet - GARDNER (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 03 May 2011 16:10:38 +0000

In my early reply - I quoted Beatrice GARDNER - born Redbrook on the 1911 census as a possible! as you mentioned Beatrice married a possible GARDINER

Field Cottages, Rogerstone, Newport, Monmouthshire

GARDNER

Herbert - married - age 32, Millman in Wire Mill Steel Works MFC - born Hennington, London

Beatrice - wife - married 8 years, age 30 - born Redbrook, Monmouth

Gordon GARDNER - Son - age 4 - born Rogerstone, Monmouth

Providence GARDNER, daughter - age 1- born Rogerstone, Monmouth

William WEBBER, boarder, widower - age 34 - Good's Guard, born Illfracombe, Devon

1891 Census, Monmouthshire, Rogerstone

GARDNER

Frederick - 33 - Furnace Man, born London Westminster
Jane - 38 - born Essex, Great Fet
Herbert - 12 - born London, Kennington
Ellen - 11 - born Clapham
Walter - 9 - born Battersea

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS - 1911 census (reply)

graigwen — Tue, 03 May 2011 14:48:02 +0000

Just checked, Beatrice Harriet Adams;parents were James Adams and Harriet Morgan. If she d
id go to Scotland[Edinburgh]....Is there a way I can access Sc otish records?

Beatrice (born Redbrook) GARDNER - 1911 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 02 May 2011 19:51:05 +0000

'I had a feeling that she married a Gardiner'

Tried again...... I've run out of 1911 census credits, so relying on a summary search......

Searched the 1911 census, for a Beatrice - born 1880 - Redbrook, Gloucestershire - and up comes

Beatrice GARDNER, female 1881, age 30 Newport, Monmouthshire

GARDNER's in Newport, Monmouthshire, 1911 census

Ada Alice - age 13
Cecil 1905 - 6
Clara - 55
Elsie - 5
Ethel May - 15
Gordon - 4 (think he is in the same household as Beatrice/Herbert - FreeBDM - Gordon Stanley GARDNER - 1906 - Newport M
Henry James - 39
Herbert - age 32 *
Irene - 2
Louisa May - 17
Providence - 1 (think she is in the same household - Providence Annie GARDNER, 1909 - Newport M)
Sarah - 37
William - 55

*
If I search of a household with a Herbert GARDNER - and a Beatrice - there is a match.

FreeBDM - have a Marriage - J/A/S Qtr 1902 - Newport M between a

Herbert Frederick GARDNER and a Beatrice Harriet LEWIS ???

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS - 1911 census (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 02 May 2011 18:17:08 +0000

I think the Bedfordshire Beatrice may be this one?

Record_ID: 41508
Entry_Number: 340
Year: 1884
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: ADAMS
Child_Forenames: Beatrice Harriet
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Queen St[reet]
Occupation: Gardener
Officiating_Minister: John J.Trollope
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: A352

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS - 1911 census (reply)

graigwen — Mon, 02 May 2011 17:54:24 +0000

thank you so much for your help,it's been fab.I've found out about Margaret Hannah Adams,in Clytha.Beatrice,I'm at a loss!I've got her prayer book here from St Mary's inb Monmouth.It is signed by William Neville[vicar] which says ;in memory of St Marys March 18th 1897.She must have left to wotk somewhere.She would have been 17.I know she went to Edinburgh.There is a record of a Beatrice Adams in 1901 in Portobello.Edinburgh.This is where the trail goes cold.
I have a feeling that she married a Gardiner,but can't confirm this.Anyway,your help has been appreciated.

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS - 1911 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 02 May 2011 09:03:00 +0000

Searching the 1911 census, for a Beatrice Harriet ADAMS c 1885, born Lydney

there is:

Beatrice Harriet ADAMS, c 1885 age 26, born Lydney, living in Bedford, Bedfordshire

Children of James ADAMS and Harriet MORGAN married Redbrook (reply)

beav2012 — Mon, 02 May 2011 00:41:35 +0000

1881 England Census about Margaret Adams Name: Margaret Adams
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Adams
Mother's name: Harriet Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Newland
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Up Redbrook
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5223
Folio: 78
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
James Adams 37
Harriet Adams 40
Margaret Adams 10
James Adams 8
Mary Adams 6
Florence Adams 5
Edith Adams 2
Beatrice Adams

1891 England Census
Name: Beatrice Harriett Adams
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Adams
Mother's name: Harrie H Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Newland
Ecclesiastical parish: Newland
Town: Redbrook
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4338
Folio: 58
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
James Adams 47
Harrie H Adams 50
William James Adams 18
Emily Mary Adams 16
Beatrice Harriett Adams 9
Sarah Ellen Adams 3
John Labon Adams 5

1901 England Census. Working as a Kitchenmaid at St.Hilda's
Name: Beatrice H Adams
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lydney, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 2466
Folio: 57

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Margaret Hannah Adams Name: Margaret Hannah Adams
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

1891 England Census
about Margaret H Adams Name: Margaret H Adams
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Where born: Newland, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Yazor
Ecclesiastical parish: Yazor St Mary
Town: Mansell Lacy
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Weobley
Sub-registration district: Weobley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2067
Folio: 90
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
George H Davenport 58
Sophia Duina Davenport 56
Ralph Tichborne Davenport 18
Henry J Worthing 26
Isaac Groom 17
Martha Found 27
Eva L Jackson 20
Martha Connington 49
Margaret H Adams 20
Mary A Ines 19

Possible marriage to George Charles Williams England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Margaret Hannah Adams Name: Margaret Hannah Adams
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 63

1901 Wales Census about Margaret Hannah Williams Name: Margaret Hannah Williams
Age in 1901: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George C Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Newland, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clytha
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanarth
Town: Clytha
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Llanarth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 4927
Folio: 26
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
George C Williams 37
Margaret Hannah Williams 30
Dorrothy M Williams 4

Children of James ADAMS and Harriet MORGAN married Redbrook

graigwen — Sun, 01 May 2011 18:46:12 +0000

James and Harriet married in 1870,Redbrook.They had 9 children,one of which, SarahEllen1882,was my nan.I am keen to trace her sisters, Beatrice Harriet 1880, and Margaret Hannah 1871.the brother John Laban Adams 1885 [brewer]I also cant find anything about.Beatrice was a member of st marys church,Monmouth,which she left in 1897.I know she went to Scotland, but I can.t fint her on a census after 1881.
All the family were brought up in Redbrook and Newland,Any help would be appreciated.I am very new to this, so hope I am doing this right!