Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Robert Stockwell HAWKINS 1874 Monmouth

Robert Stockwell HAWKINS 1874 Monmouth (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:38:03 +0000

info on Robert Stockwell HAWKINS and his wife alice maud florence hawkins,did they have children,i know in 1911 they were living in monmouth and were both music hall artistes,but what was the music hall called.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=17775

I gave you James' wife as :-

16th March 1864 Radstock Somerset
Name: James Hawkins
Name: Ann Tuffin
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1021

In
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=32002
MPG gave George's wife as Ann STOCKWELL

I suspect they were travelling from Music Hall to Music Hall
there was a Theatre Royal in Westgate St Gloucester in the 1900- 1920 period, so perhaps they were performing there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_Royal,_Gloucester

St Marys Square leads almost directly onto Westgate Street just below the Shire Hall, a few hundred yards down Westgate St from the old Theatre site..

death for Alice
Name: Alice Maude F Hawkins
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1887
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1971
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 1193

possible child
Name: Barbara E Hawkins
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hetherington
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 444

1911 4 St Marys Sq, Gloucester
Maud Shaw 33
Kathleen Doris Shaw 7
George Russell Shaw 5
Gladys Grigg 19
Robert Stockwell Hawkins 35 Monmouth Music hall Artist
Alice Maud Florence Hawkins 23

Name: Robert Stockwell Hawkins & Alice Maude F Hetherington
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 482

1881
James Hawkins abt 1836 Viney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head St Ives, Cornwall
Ann Hawkins abt 1843 Salsbury, Wiltshire, England Wife St Ives, Cornwall
Edith M. Hawkins abt 1865 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Winifred A. Hawkins abt 1866 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Elizabeth M. Hawkins abt 1868 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Gertrude E. Hawkins abt 1870 Wiltshire, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Emily F. Hawkins abt 1871 St Austell, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
James A. Hawkins abt 1872 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall
George L. Hawkins abt 1873 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall
Robert S. Hawkins abt 1875 Monmouth, Wales Son St Ives, Cornwall
Kate E. Hawkins abt 1877 Penzance, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Florence J. Hawkins abt 1880 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall

Name: Robert Stockwell Hawkins
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 42

HAWKINS - previous thread + Electoral Register (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:47:15 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=32779#p32779

London, England Electoral Register

Robert Stockwell Hawkins - Year 1924

County or Borough: Camden

Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras

9 Stratford Place

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and 1925 - same Borough: Address: 127 Camden Road

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Looking at the marriage certificate on Ancestry when Robert Stockwell HAWKINS married Alice Maud Florence HAWKINS (whose father, William George HETHERINGTON was a Theatrical Manager, one witness: Esther Hadassah DAVIES is on the 1911 census in London, age 26, Single, Music Hall Artist.

Robert Stockwell HAWKINS (reply)

chieftain — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:39:17 +0000

info on Robert Stockwell HAWKINS and his wife alice maud florence hawkins,did they have children,i know in 1911 they were living in monmouth and were both music hall artistes,but what was the music hall called.
i presume they would have passed away by now,also is there a family tree for them.its been a long time since i was on here and all the info i recieved from members on here was lost.
the other thing is when i first posted about my gg grandfather james hawkins the primotive methodist minister,i was told his fathers name was george but never found out his mothers name,who was she does she still have living relatives,any help would be fantastic.
kind regards steven

James HAWKINS Primitive methodist minister (reply)

peteressex — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:22:34 +0000

From my family history research I can make a geographical connection with the name Hawkins in the Viney Hill area which adjoins Blakeney and thus historically the parish of Awre. I hope something here will give you a clue or family connection arising from your own Hawkins searches, although much of my information is third hand off genesreunited and/or, I suspect, from IGI.

One of my gt-gt-gt-gt-grandmothers was Ann nee Shaw, born 14 Nov 1793 Westbury-on-Severn. (She married William "Sterry" at Awre, and down the line my father's mother was an eventual "Sterrey" of Lydney.)

Ann's parents were James Shaw and Christian Beavan (sic).

Christian Beavan's parents were Thomas Bevan (sic) and Christian Hawkins, both born Awre c. 1731.

Tha parents of Christian Hawkins(* below) were William Hawkins, baptised Awre 1702 and Elizabeth (no surname or other details known.)

The parents of William Hawkins were Edward Hawkins and Ann nee Bedoes (sic, and it was this possible misrecording of the name "Beddis" mentioned earlier in this thread that made me look into possible connections) who were married at Awre on 12 May 1701.

The Awre register for this marriage has a note that Edward Hawkins was "of Newland" (near Coleford.) The Newland register has an Edward Hawkins baptised there on 12 September 1651 with parents Edward and Joan (further details unknown.)

* Christian Hawkins is shown as having had brothers Edward baptised 1733 and Barrow baptised 1738, both at Awre.

None of this gives you a direct link to James Hawkins or his father but the amount of Awre/Viney Hill coincidence introduces a reasonable likelihood that a direct link could be discovered.

James HAWKINS Primitive methodist minister (reply)

Llangrove — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:21:15 +0000

Steve,

You contacted me via F.B. but I'd rather reply to you on this forum. The James Hawkins of whom you're seeking info, is NOT from my line. And as far as I can tell there is no connection. Sorry! Best of luck with your research!

CHW

james hawkins minister (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:32:18 +0000

Hi Chieftain, try this search technique using the extensive searchable Parish Records on this site. It's not very scientific but it's worked for me many times: you say James Hawkins is believed born about 1835 in Viney Hill area.

1. Search for the Baptism only of a James Hawkins in 1835 +/- 5 Years to play safe.
Gives following 3 "hits",
Year Surname First Name Event Parish/Chapel More detail
1839 HAWKINS James Baptism Coleford More detail
1834 HAWKINS James Baptism Parkend More detail
1837 HAWKINS James Charles Baptism Christchurch More detail

Most likely is 1834 Parkend, view "More Detail" gives:

Record_ID: 111824
Entry_Number: 674
Year: 1834
Month: Aug
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Pillowell
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Morgan Offg Minr
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 85
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: H252

How's this look to you ?.
Possible correct date & place I think.
Note Baptism Records give Parent's Names, remember them for next step.

2. Now repeat this search for a possible sister Elizabeth Hawkins, to minimise false leads start off by assuming similar age and place. (personally I prefer to filter as little as possible, ticking "soundex" box, takes longer but more likely to succeed in case of spelling variations etc). Study each likely PR for matching parents.

So in your case search for the Baptism only of Elizabeth Hawkins baptised 1835 +/- 10 Years to play safe. Gives only 11 possibles, so easy to read their detailed PRs. Look for Parishes near Parkend/Viney Hill first.
Gives:

Record_ID: 49559
Entry_Number: 22
Year: 1837
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Whitecroft
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: H252

To me this looks a good close match to James's Baptism above.

3. Await someone to point out the error due to the "madness in my method"... or hopefully not.
Hope this helps you now & in the future, happy hunting, Jeff.

james hawkins minister (reply)

chieftain — Sun, 05 Jun 2011 18:01:28 +0000

could anybody tell me if james hawkins the primitive methodist minister had a sister called elizabeth,if so i may have found a cousin and if i have its down to everybody on this site that helped me in my search.
kind regards
chieftain

George Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 24 May 2011 18:37:45 +0000

Does it not even give a place ?.
I've searched various websites for Glos & beyond & cannot match so far.
Please confirm all the info on the certificate, thanks.

George Hawkins (reply)

chieftain — Tue, 24 May 2011 18:08:32 +0000

i have the marriage certificet for my great great grandfather james hawkins the primitive methodist minister,and all it say is that his fathers name was george hawkins proprieter of stone quarries.the marriage was in 1864.

George Hawkins - census info (BEDDIS) Ann STOCKWELL (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 24 May 2011 16:05:52 +0000

If you obtained James HAWKINS marriage certificate - this would confirm his father's name ......

However, if this is the correction lineage........

Slowhands previous thread -back to 1841 census

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=17775

(same neighbours as on the 1851 census)....

1861 Census, West Dean Viney Hill
Grove Cottage

George HAWKINS - age 54 - Stone Merchant, born West Dean
Ann HAWKINS - 54 - born Glos. Dursley
John POSK? - Lodger, Age 29 - Bootmaker, born Cheltenham
Elizabeth HAWKINS - age 19 - born West Dean

1871 Census, West Dean Viney Hill

Thomas BEDDIS - 29- born Awre
Elizabeth BEDDIS - 29 - born West Dean
Emma BEDDIS - 9
Oliver J BEDDIS - 7 - born Awre
Elizabeth BEDDIS - 5
John BEDDIS - 3
George BEDDIS - 4 months

Ann HAWKINS - mother-in-law, Widow, Charwomen, born Dursley

FOD records

Marriage at Parkend -25 December 1861

Thomas BEDDIS - age 20, Collier, of Viney Hill, father - Thomas BEDDIS, Collier

married

Elizabeth HAWKINS, age 19, Spinster, of Viney Hill - father George HAWKINS, Quarry Man (by Banns)

Mark of George DAVIS and Henry GUNTER

FreeBDM : Death - J/A/S Qtr 1867 George HAWKINS - age 60 - District Monmouth

on FOD records - burial at Viney Hill - 22 September 1867

George HAWKINS - residence Viney Hill, age 62

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George and Ann HAWKINS' daughter Elizabeth was born in 1841 - and looking at the Gloucestershire BDM - there is an Elizabeth HAWKINS (mother's maiden name STOCKWELL) - Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn

FOD records

Marriage at Awre - 12 December 1832

Grooms Surname: HAWKINS

Grooms Forename: George

No information on occupation/status/parents.....

Brides Surname: STOCKWELL

Brides Forename: Ann

No information on occupation/status/parents

Witnesses: William HAWKINS and Charles FENNELL

Memorandum: with consent of parents

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George Hawkins (reply)

chieftain — Tue, 24 May 2011 14:46:12 +0000

im sorry jefff i dont know james mothers name,i have never found out the town,nor have i ever seen his baptism record

George Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 23 May 2011 20:59:50 +0000

Thats fine, just a clue (ie town/area) was what I was thinking of.
Do you know James' mother's name, off his baptism record perhaps ?.

George Hawkins (reply)

chieftain — Mon, 23 May 2011 20:00:57 +0000

the only thing i know is james was born viney hill 1835,thats it.i dont know where in viney hill he was born,so i dont have an address for his father george hawkins

George Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 23 May 2011 19:45:49 +0000

Please help us to help you.
Do you know approximate dates or places ?
If you know James' birthdate I guess you know likely birthdate/place, please.

George Hawkins (reply)

chieftain — Mon, 23 May 2011 18:30:58 +0000

ok i admit im not very good at finding people,after all it was the good people on this site that helped me out finding info about james hawkins the primative methodist minister,but what of his father george who was a purveyer of stone quarries.what year was he born/pass away.where is his last resting place or even where in the forest of dean was his home.how far can you go back trying to obtain birth certificates,would i be able to find out the name of georges father.if anybody can help me out that would be fantastic.
kind regards chieftain

James Hawkins update (reply)

chieftain — Sun, 15 May 2011 16:23:49 +0000

happy days,my gg grandfather james hawkins the primitave methodist ministers last resting place has been found.he is not under the car park that was once george street chapel,he is buried in astwood cemetary in worcester.all i have to do now is try and find his fathers grave and where he was when he passed away and what year.so ggg grandfather george hawkins im going to try and find your grave.

James HAWKINS - Probate Records (reply)

chieftain — Mon, 09 May 2011 17:46:29 +0000

thank you so much for the reply.i never knew this info about him at all.all i have to do is find his place of burial.its band enough having relatives in unmarked graves in france from ww1,i thought it may have been easier finding a ministers grave over here but i was wrong,thank you for your time in helping me.
kind regards
steven jacklin

James HAWKINS - Probate Records (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 09 May 2011 17:21:53 +0000

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Adminstration)

1885

HAWKINS - The Reverend James

7 November

Administration of the Personal Estate of The Reverend James HAWKINS late of 4 Albert Terrace Fort Royal Hill in the City of Worcester, Minister of the Primitive Methodist Connexion who died 31 July 1885 at 4 Albert Terrace was granted at Worcester to Anne HAWKINS of 4 Albert-terrace Widow the Relict

Personal Estate £281 11s. 1d

James HAWKINS Primitive methodist minister - prior threads (reply)

admin — Mon, 09 May 2011 01:45:37 +0000

Previous thread of James HAWKINS

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=17925#p17925

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=17775

James HAWKINS Primitive methodist minister

chieftain — Sun, 08 May 2011 18:06:49 +0000

its been a while since i was last on here,but i never gave up looking for my grandfathers grave,the primitive methodist minister james hawkins but alas i carnt find him at all.if anybody can help me i would be very grateful as i keep drawing blanks.
kind regards steven jacklin