MEEK family Ruardean and Lee Bailey

Two queries, please:
1. Who were the grandparents of Joseph Meek, born in Ruardean in 1782, who married Hannah Cook in 1809?
2. Who were the parents of Joseph Meek, born in 1805 in Lee Bailey?
All help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Hi Marion,

I have Joseph in my tree - and I have his grandparents as John Meek [born 1707 Ruardean] and Elizabeth [born 1711 Ruardean]. Not sure if this helps...

Hi Marion

This could be quite an interesting debate as we are going back into an era where it is difficult to get confirmation of your findings, so I would be interested in the comments of others. I have already noted of course that Kristeen does not agree with me !!
I have the following :
Joseph Meek 1782 was baptised 1st Dec 1782 parents Joseph Meek 1746 & Ann Harris baptised 16 Dec 1753.
Joseph Meek 1746 was baptised 9th Nov 1746 parents Francis Meek 1716 & Rachel Vaughan.
Francis Meek 1716 was baptised 11 Jan 1716 parents John Meek 1682 & Clare Bridgeman.
John Meek 1682 was baptised 16 Feb 1682 parents John Meek born abt. 1660 & Elinor.

The second question :
Joseph Meek 1805 was baptised 12 May 1805 parents Joseph Meek 1771 & Hannah Baldwin. My only interest in this family is that Joseph Meek 1771 & Hannah Baldwin's great granddaughter Gertrude Helen Read married William Ernest Marfell

Jim Ashton

Hi everyone - I of course bow to others' better judgement!

I think I got my information from the IGI but I appreciate my information makes Joseph's parents quite old when they had him. Does anyone have any ideas for sorting this out and clarifying the information?

Hi Kristeen

I wouldn't say "Better Judgement" !!

Sometimes you have to go with a "gut" feeling and see if subsequent information proves you were right, but I always prefer to get proof or confirmation. In latter years, this can be a Census find, which sometimes includes parents or in laws or Ideally a certificate and I have just under 1000.

You will see a number of baptisms for Joseph between 1740 & 1750.In this case, the only thing (for me) which points to Joseph Meek who married Ann Harris being the son of Francis Meek and Rachel is that the 1st witness at their wedding was Francis Meek. The second witness Joseph Harper you will find on hundreds of Parish Record entries and he must be a church official.

Jim Ashton

Hi Jim,

Do you have Joseph burial as 15 Sept 1805 aged 55?

There are 2 Joseph baptised 1749/50 either son of James & Elizabeth or John & Elizabeth.

David

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Rhondda Valley Boy

Hi David

Year of birth as given by others (obviously) at death are notoriously inaccurate. I have looked at the other Joseph's - indeed I have John Meek and Elizabeth in my Family Tree as their daughter Elizabeth married George Roberts.

Jim Ashton

Hi Jim, can I ask, where did the Information on Joseph Meek b 1771 come from.
Was it from the 1841 census ? I've checked other sources but can't find his baptism anywhere.

Brian Meek

Hi Brian

Details pasted in :

Record_ID: 62080
Entry_Number: 77
Year: 1801
Month: Jun
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: MEEK
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BALDWIN
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Charles Balwin
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: R Gibson vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: M200
Soundex_Bride: B435

1841 Census Bailey Hill
Joseph Meek 70 Ag Lab
Hannah Meek 65
Lidia Meek 24
Thomas Meek 22
Amealia Meek 20
George Meek 3 Mo

Jim Ashton

Thanks Jim, be in touch soon, Brian

Hi Jim, i am interested in thomas meek 1822, parents are joseph meek and hannah.

Siblings of thomas are Lidia and Amelia

regards penny

Hi Jim,

Getting confused here.

I have Joseph 1805 Lea Baily married to Sarah Wall.

In my tree he is not related to Joseph Meek & Ann Harris, he is from a diferent Meek tree.

Joseph 1805 is the Great Grandfather of "Joe Meek"

Do I have this right?

Regards

David

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Rhondda Valley Boy

Hi David

The original question was in two parts, I answered both parts, I didn't say they were related indeed as far as I know they are not, I have both lines in my Family tree but not connected.

Sorry if it was confusing, but if you check the first question it was in two parts.

Jim Ashton

Thanks Jim,

Just neeed Confirmation.

Regards

David

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Rhondda Valley Boy

Hi Marion, Kristeen & Jim.

I too would like to know Joseph's grandparents, we know that his parents were Joseph Meek & Ann Harris. I'm not 100% sure of Joseph snrs parents it could be Francis Meek but there are a few Joeseph Meek born close together.

Joseph Meek & Ann Harris are my 4x Great Grandparents.

Regards

David

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Rhondda Valley Boy

Thank you to all who replied to my queries re: the grandparents of Joseph Meek (1782) and the parents of Joseph Meek (1805). Thank you, Kristeen, your information confirms my earlier research that the grandparents of Joseph (1782) were John (1707) and Elizabeth (1711). My research also shows that his great-grandparents were John (1682) and Clare Bridgeman, and his great-great-grandparents were John (1660) and Elinor.
Incidentally, I can trace the male line of my particular branch to 1964, where the line ends - is this of any help to you?
Also of interest to Jim and David, I think confusion arises because there are too many Josephs in the Meek tree - these are my findings. The sons of John and Clare Bridgeman were:
John (1707) - married Elizabeth and they had a son Joseph 1749.
James (1711) - married Elizabeth Rudge, and they had a son, Joseph, b. 1750.
Francis (1716) - married Rachel Vaughan, and they had a son Joseph, b. 1746
William (1721) - married Alice Pearce, and their son, Joseph was born in 1750.
More confusion when Joseph (1782 - 1866) and Hannah Cook married in 1809, and had a son, Joseph in 1814, but records also showed that Joseph and Hannah had a son Joseph in 1805. - how could this be? I thought. I have but recently learned that the parents of Joseph (1805) were indeed Joseph and Hannah BALDWIN. Mystery solved, except I can find no records for that Joseph (the one who married Hannah Baldwin).
My only interest in Joseph (1805), great grandfather of Joe Meek (1927) is curiosity,as to which of the other Josephs, born between 1746 and 1750 was Joe Meek's ancestor.
I have now completed my own branch of the Meek family tree to my satisfaction.
Thank you once again for your help. Marion.

Should have added this information earlier to support my research that Joseph (1749 - 1805) is the son of John and Elizabeth.
At Joseph's marriage to Ann Harris (b. 1753)in December 1779, witnesses were: Francis Meek and Joseph Harper.
Now, Ann Harris's mother was Ann (e) Meek (1715 - 1789), who married George Harris (1715 - 1784). I can find no record of Ann(e) Meek's parents, but it is reasonable to assume from her date of birth (1715) that she was a daughter of John Meek and Clare Bridgeman. Ergo, very likely that Francis Meek (1722 - 1787) was Ann(e) Harris's brother and the witness at her wedding.
By coincidence, I had earler researched the Harper family tree, and can confirm that Joseph Harper (1744) was indeed the Parish Clerk. Although this may not seem relevant, Ann Harris's sister, Elizabeth (1754) married John Duberley in 1778. I have also researched the Duberley tree, and find that there are connections between the Harpers and the Duberleys. Therefore it is reasonable that Joseph Harper would be there as a witness as Parish Clerk, and a family friend.
Hope that Kristeen, Jim and David will read this. Thanks again for your interest. Marion.

Marion: thanks for all the information, and thanks to everyone who contributed to this extremely interesting thread.

However, it seems to have turned up another problem for me - i.e. that I am now in a complete muddle with my info!

For instance: I now have two George Meeks in my tree - one born around 1800 who married Elizabeth Davis and had four children: Thomas 1821, Elizabeth 1831, William 1833, and George 1835, [there may be others] and George Meek baptised 6th May 1801, the son of Joseph Meek and Ann Harris.

Have I made a mistake somewhere, or are they one and the same person?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. You mention that you have some more information that might be helpful to me - yes please!

Sorting out the Meeks is a nightmare!

I also have George (1714) as son of John and Clare. He married Margaret Teague in 1738 in Welsh Bicknor. One of their (at least) nine children was Thomas (1758), who was my g4-grandfather.

I am always pleased when someone sheds a little more light on the history of the Meeks!

Thanks,

Colin

Hi, Kristeen,
I can confirm that George Meek was the 9th. child of Joseph Meek and Ann Harris.He was born the 6th. May 1801. George's brother, Joseph Meek, who married Hannah Cook was the second child, born December 1782.
Can find no record of George Meek and Elizabeth Davis, nor any of their children - guess they may be the descendents of the other Joseph and Hannah Baldwin, who caused me so much confusion and many sleepless nights!!
This is the male line of my tree:
John Meek (1660 - 1695); John Meek (1682); John Meek (1715); Joseph Meek (1749); Joseph Meek (1782); Solomon Meek (1830); John Meek (1859); Maurice Martin Meek (1901); Anthony Mervyn Meek (1940) (my Brother) and Richard Meek (1964). Does this help, at all? More detailed information if required.
Best wishes & good luck!
Marion.

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