saysum /saysom/sasum/

they have so many variations in this family name but unable to go beyond 1840 need geogrge saysoms parents he was born in littledean/micheldean but cannot find any record of him. HIS SON WILLIAM SAYSOM B1867 MARRIED MARTHA MILES B 1867 unable to find any of there children william b 1891/george 1897/ elizabeth 1898/ and my grandmother florence emily b1900 either in 1911 census did allastone mesne have names or numbers on these houses? they lived there a long time as there son george who died in ww1 from wounds and is buried in lydney churchyard gives this as the address in 1919.this is also the address on my grandmothers birth certificate.

why cant i find george saysum bc1840 married to mary jones b1845 in any census other than 1881? no marriage or birth certificate lived at allastone mesne wherever that is in lydney.

Is now the north east corner of Lydney (Primrose Hill) leading up to Allastone.

postcode GL15 5SU is you use Google maps.

Year: 1875
Month: Jun
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: SASUM
Child_Forenames: George Henry
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Alliston Meend
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: John J. Trollope
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 236
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Name: Alice Saysom
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 423

1871
George Sayssans abt 1842 Newman [NEWNHAM ?], Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Sayssans abt 1844 Roos, Herefordshire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Alice Sayssans abt 1864 Hokapert[HOARWITHY?], Herefordshire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sayssans abt 1869 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Sayssans abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1881
George Saysum abt 1840 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Saysum abt 1845 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Saysum abt 1869 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emily Saysum abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Saysum abt 1875 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Samuel Saysum abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Saysum abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1891
George Sayvome abt 1836 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Sayvome abt 1844 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Albert Sayvome abt 1883 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emily Sayvomeabt 1881 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Sayvome abt 1875 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mabel Sayvome abt 1884 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Samuel Sayvome abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1900
Month: May
Day: 26
Surname: SAYSOM
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 53 years
Officiating_Minister: J.L.Parker (Curate)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: Lydney P209 IN 1/14
Page_No: 64
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1901
Samuel Saysome abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Martha B Saysome abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
George Saysome abt 1839 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Father Lydney, Monmouthshire

Name: George Saysom
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 70
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 2

Year 1875
Month Jun
Day 16
Parents Surname SASUM
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames George
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Alliston Meend
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister John J. Trollope
Event Baptism
Memoranda aged 9 years
Notes age hidden when filmed. Checked at source?
Register Reference PFC209 IN 1/5
Page Number 235
Parish Chapel Lydney

1881
George Saysum abt 1840 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Saysum abt 1845 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Saysum abt 1869 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emily Saysum abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Saysum abt 1875 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Samuel Saysum abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Saysum abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1891
William Saysom abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Martha Saysom abt 1867 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Saysom abt 1891 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1901
William Laysom abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Martha Laysom abt 1847 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Laysom abt 1897 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Florence E Laysom abt 1900 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
George Laysom abt 1898 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
William Laysom abt 1891 Rydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire

1911 Allastone Mense Nr Lydney
William Saysom 44
Martha Saysom 44
Elizabeth Saysom 14
George Saysom 13
Florence Saysom 10

hi thanks for your replies you are a genius.i would not have thought saysom could be spelt laysom so now i can look them up in 1901 thanks.as for the family called sayan it is a possibilty.i dont understand why i cant find george c1840 birth or marriage certificate assuming he got married his wife mary c1845 formely jones from ross has his name on williams b1867 birth certificate?i need to find out more about allastone mesne as i am visiting this summer and which was there house but have no names or numbers for this property so could be a problem.i have another address as newerne greyhound inn i wonder if this is still around?i have recieved an email from a gentleman saying that george c1840 mat have had a name change and that saysum may not have been his birth name due to military service?im not so sure why change your name? if he did i think it will be impossible to find out. he died in 1906 in chepstow union workhouse in 1906. once again thankyou for your time and effort you are a hive off information kind regards les

between 1/4 and 1/2 a mile away from Primrose Hill / Allastone Mesne

Greyhound Inn, Tuthill Street GL15 5PA
Map Reference: SO 637034

phone 00 44 1594 845318

Owner in 1891: Annie Wooles (free from brewery tie)
Rateable value in 1891: £20.10s.0s.
Type of licence in 1891: Beerhouse
Owner in 1903: Frederick H. Hathaway (free from brewery tie)
Rateable value in 1903: £20.10s.0d.
Type of licence in 1903:
Closing time in 1903:
Present status: Still trading ( check)

Heritage:

Phone:

Landlords:

1881 Allan Wooles (Innkeeper and plasterer, aged 21 in 1881)
1891,1903 Annie Wooles. Beerhouse
1939 James George Grail
1999 Dave and Helen Palmer
2002 Pat Goodwin

At the moment I'm on the same page as you - George was not christened or married as a SAYSOM - perhaps this was his mothers maiden name, or just one taken at random !

he could be

Year 1839
Month Oct
Day 19
Parents Surname FIELDS
Child Forenames George William
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Helen Sophia
Mothers Surname
Residence Little Dean
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister J Parsons Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda Illegitimate son
Notes
Register Reference P110 IN 1/6
Page Number 22
Parish Chapel Littledean

Year 1844
Month Jan
Day 26
Parents Surname JONES
Child Forenames George Brudges
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Little Dean
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister J Parsons Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda Illegitimate son
Notes
Register Reference P110 IN 1/6
Page Number 46
Parish Chapel Littledean

where do you get all this info? shame im not sitting next to you it would save me a lot off time.you have told me more about george in a couple of messages that its taken me almost five years to do.bet you havent got a photo of him though????? [i have] joking aside though i do appreciate what your doing thanks

Just a passing thought!

Marriages Dec 1867
JONES Agnes Ross 6a 978
JONES Mary Ross 6a 978
MORGAN George Ross 6a 978
Wood Robert Ross 6a 978

I wonder whether Saysum is a transcription error for the surname Leyshon, since the written capitals S and L are easily confused in old scripts. Leyshon and its variants is an uncommon Welsh surname.

Thankyou i will certainly follow your idea up.there are so many variations of this name as i found out just looking at the parish records on this site.the earliest record i have is of george saysums c1840 [daughter sarah c1863]george himself died in 1906 aged 70 so his birth could be more like c1835.

This may be a bit rambling, but I thought you might be interested in what I have found out about the Saysome family through my great grandmother, Alice Saysome, who was born at Hoarworthy Hentland, Herefordshire on 4th October 1864. Her parents were recorded as being Thomas Sysam amd Mary Meredith - yet in censuses, her father was named as George, and that was the name on her marriage ceriticate to William Powell on 21st Sept 1884.

Thomas Sisam married Mary Meredith at How Caple, Herefordshire, on 21st December 1859, when his father was recorded as John Sisam, a Labourer. Thomas was listed as being of "full age".

This is where another complication arises regarding Mary Meredith. She was born in Ross on 25th November 1841, the daughter of James and Elizabeth (nee Mayo). James died on 8th April 1842, and Elizabeth re-married - Samuel Jones on 21st April 1844. On the birth certificates of George and Mary Saysome's children, Mary's maiden name is sometimes given as Meredith and sometimes as Jones.

George died in the Chepstow Workhouse on 16th May 1906. From the matching of certificates and census info, I can only assume that Thomas and George are one and the same - but I can't find a birth cert for Thomas either!

now that makes sense !

I forgot to say that I found George Saysome in Lydney in 1901 - he was living with his son Samuel at 35 Queen Street. The surname is spelt Saysome, but is listed in the Welsh census for Monmouthshire (shades of 1911!)

There are some photos of the Saysome family on www.sungreen.co.uk, which has a lot of old photos of the Forest of Dean. Click on Lydney & district, and then Lydney page 2.

I wonder?

Births Jun 1839
Sysom Male Newent 11 357

From FreeBMD.

1841
Thos Sysum abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Comfort Sysum abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Ann Sysum abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Chas Sysum abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sysum abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
John Sysum abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Maria Sysum abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Thos Sysum abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Willm Sysum abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire

With luck, this could be the missing piece of the jigsaw!

Hello there just found this very informative site and can see the interest people have in tracing their ancestors..I have been tracing mine SYSUM for a long time now..mainly in gloucester,hereford and forest..i believe your newent sysum rundown is part of my family....kind regards gloria

The 1861 census shows Thomas and Mary Syceham lodging in How Caple. He is shown as being 20 years of age and born in Westbury. (From 1871 census Thomas becomes George).

80% of census information points to Thomas/George being born in the Westbury, Newnham, Littledean area in 1840.

Alice Saysom (my Great-Grandmother) was born 4-10-1864 in Hoarwithy and registered as Alice Sysam.

Sarah Saysom was born 9-9-1862 in Kings Caple and Registered as ALICE Saysom.

I can find no records of either childhood deaths or other births under any variation of Saysom that I can think of.

Sarah and Alice can be seen -Alice seated far right with Sarah next to her- in the Jackson/Saysom marriage group on www.sungreen.co.uk.

Name: Mary Meredith
Name: Thomas Sisam
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 895

1861
Thomas Syecham abt 1841 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Lodger How Caple, Herefordshire
Mary Syecham abt 1841 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife How Caple, Herefordshire

1871
George Sayssans abt 1842 Newman, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Sayssans abt 1844 Roos, Herefordshire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Alice Sayssans abt 1864 Hokapert, Herefordshire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Sayssans abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sayssans abt 1869 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1881
George Saysum abt 1840 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Saysum abt 1845 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Saysum abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Saysum abt 1869 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Saysum abt 1875 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Samuel Saysum abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emily Saysum abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1891
George Sayvome abt 1836 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Sayvome abt 1844 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Sayvome abt 1875 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Samuel Sayvome abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emily Sayvome abt 1881 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Albert Sayvome abt 1883 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mabel Sayvome abt 1884 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1901
George Saysome abt 1839 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Father Lydney, Monmouthshire
Samuel Saysome abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Martha B Saysome Samuel abt 1877 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

SAYSUM, G H
Rank:Private
Service No:16113
Date of Death:26/11/1919
Age:22
Regiment/Service:Gloucestershire Regiment Depot
Grave Reference Nr. North boundary wall.
Cemetery LYDNEY (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:

Son of William Saysum, of Allastone, Mesne, Lydney;
husband of Florence Saysum, of Ryden Lane Charlton, Pershore, Worcs.

Name: George Henry Saysum
Birth Place: Lydney, Glos
Death Date: 26 Nov 1919
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: Coleford, Glos
Rank: Private
Regiment: Gloucestershire Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 16113
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Home

Year: 1919
Month: Dec
Day: 2
Surname: SAYSUM
Forenames: George
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 22
Officiating_Minister: J C E Besant
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: died at the Military Hospital Hempstead
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/37
Page_No: 94
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Name: George H Saysum
Spouse: Florance Saunders
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Registration district: Tamworth
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 720

Name: George H Saysum
Regiment or Corps: 7/Gloucestershire Regiment,Mil FP,1/Glouc R
Regimental Number: 16113,6542,16113

1911 Allastone Mense Nr Lydney
William Saysom 44
Martha Saysom 44
Elizabeth Saysom 14
George Saysom 13
Florence Saysom 10

1901
William Laysom abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Martha Laysom abt 1847 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Laysom abt 1897 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Florence E Laysom abt 1900 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
George Laysom abt 1898 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
William Laysom abt 1891 Rydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire

Year: 1897
Month: Jul
Day: 1314
Parents_Surname: SAYSUM
Child_Forenames: George Henry
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Martha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Tinworker
Officiating_Minister: J.C.E.Besant
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: [J.C.E.Besant underlined]
Register_Reference: 851113
Page_Number: 123
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

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