Have only just seen your post from early 2015.

Samuel Holmes was my great, great grandfather but I had never heard about his freezing to death.

Shall have to visit the Forum more often

Regards
Patricia Holmes

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Thos TEAGUE - 35-39
Mary TEAGUE - 40-44 born Herefordshire
Willm TEAGUE - 13 - born Herefordshire
Mary TEAGUE - 11 - born Herefordshire
Lucy TEAGUE - 15-19 Herefordshire
George PRITCHARD - 15-19 - born Herefordshire (?any family connection)

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George christened 2 May 1822 - Much Marcle, parents Tho(ma)s (Servant) & Jane - residence: Woodhouse

from 1801 - 'til 1830 on Fod records - a Thomas & Jane PRITCHARD are having children christened at Ledbury and Much Marcle (same couple or two?)

Fod records have in 1826 : illegible Thomas PRITCHARD - also CLDS states Jabeth Thomas PRICHARD at Much Marcle

Thomas & Jane in 1801 - also have a daughter Lucy christened)

I meant to reply to your posting ages ago, but something happened and then it got buried. Anyway, hope you pick this up....

I totally take your point about HOLMES, and you are right to chide me for jumping to conclusions, when I get cross when I see others do it! And yes, I totally agree that names that sound as though they belong somewhere can then crop up somewhere else, even in quite early times. The old view that our ancestors didn't travel or move to totally new areas is certainly not proved by fact, and also, names are not always what they sound.

One point that I made originally however, is I think still quite persuasive (- and I think you may have thought I was pinning my argument on the name Mary, which was not the case. As you say, Mary is a hugely common name.) But as I mentioned in my last post, I think a VERY good candidate for Thomas' wife Mary "is Mary JONES who was christened in Linton on 22 April 1798, and had parents William and Lucy. Looking at Mary and Thomas TEAGUE's children's names, this looks a very likely candidate."

My reasoning is that 1. the D/B would be an excellent fit given all we know about Mary's age, 2. the much more unusual name of Lucy for her mother would read across to the twin they called Lucy, and 3. they called their son William, although Thomas also had a brother William.

Best wishes

Jane

ROSS.
FROZEN TO DEATH.
On Thursday morning, about seven o'clock, a police-constable, while going his rounds in the parish of Linton, near this town, found a poor old man, 82 years, by name Samuel Holmes, lying dead in the hedge by the roadside. He was quite stiff and cold, and his body white with hoar-frost. It was ascertained that the day previously (St. Thomas's day) he had been carrying out a practice, adopted on that day in this part of the country, of going from house to house for the purpose of getting cider. A boy saw him about five in the evening. He appeared a little the worse for drink, and made a few observations about not being able to get home fast enough. About a quarter of a mile from the spot where the boy saw him he was found by the policeman the next morning as above described.

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3439412/ART11/ross%20veteran

I've tried to find out if the winter of 1870/1871 was unusually cold, this hit gives interesting reading across the whole century, for this particular winter it states;
"A cold winter over western Europe / implied for parts of Britain. (Easton, in CHMW/Lamb). Using the CET record, the overall value for the three 'winter' months of December, January & February was 2.4degC, representing an anomaly of roughly -1.3C on the all-series mean."

So it was "cold" but not particularly severe, but bad enough for an old man unlucky enough to spend the night outside.
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1850_1899.htm

From this site's PRs I find;

Record_ID: 95437
Entry_Number: 758
Year: 1870
Month: Dec
Day: 27
Surname: HOLMES
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Gorstley
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: E Palin
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR91/10
Page_No: 95
Parish_Chapel: Linton
Soundex: H452

I cannot find an Inquest for this death.

It's possible that this marriage MIGHT be his, altho I need to research the Census' to be at all confident, hopefully tomorrow.

Record_ID: 34346
Entry_Number: 27
Year: 1833
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: HOLMES
Grooms_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WADLEY
Brides_Forenames: Hester
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Rich[ar]d Phelps
Witness_2: Mark of Jane Holmes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Brooke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Kempley
Soundex_Groom: H452
Soundex_Bride: W340

UPDATE:

The 1861 Census shows him living in Gorsley, Linton herefordshire; so proving the above Marriage.

Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Samuel Holmes Head 72 1789 Male Ag Labourer Upton Bishop Herefordshire England
Esther Holmes Wife 48 1813 Female Newent Gloucestershire England
Emma Holmes Daughter 20 1841 Female Upton Bishop Herefordshire England
Eliza Holmes Daughter 14 1847 Female Kempley Gloucestershire England
William Holmes Son 9 1852 Male Upton Bishop Herefordshire England

The 1871 Census for shows Esther as the widowed head of her house, along with William.

I'm struggling to find Samuel in the 1851 Census, yet their children's Baptisms show they are at Kempley and then at Corse?

Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1833 HOLMES Hannah, Samuel & Esther, Old Rock Lane Labourer Dymock
1836 HOLMES Lucy, Samuel & Hester, Kempley Labourer Kempley
1838 HOLMES Anne Maria, Samuel & Esther, Upton Bishop Labourer Upton Bishop
1840 HOLMES Emma, Samuel & Hester, Little Tedswood Upton Bishop Labourer Upton Bishop
1843 HOLMES Fanny, Samuel & Esther, Tedgwood Labourer Upton Bishop
1846 HOLMES Eliza, Samuel & Hester, Kempley Labourer Kempley
1851 HOLMES William, Samuel & Esther, Cruse Laborer[sic] Upton Bishop

The PRs show Lucy died aged just 2 months. Cannot find further PRs for Anne or Fanny. Emma marries in Ross in 1862, father Samuel present, William marries Gorsley in 1890, "father de'cd".
Searching 1851 Census for Emma finds;

1851 Census, the Union Workhouse, Albion Street, Ross. (There are abt 150 inmates).
Samuel Holmes Pauper 56 1795 Male Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England
Esther Holmes Pauper 40 1811 Female Dean Forest, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Holmes Pauper 12 1839 Female Hope Mansell, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Holmes Pauper 11 1840 Female Hope Mansell, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Holmes Pauper 8 1843 Female Hope Mansell, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Holmes Pauper 5 1846 Female Hope Mansell, Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Holmes Pauper 16 1835 Female Hope Mansell, Gloucestershire, England

1841 Census, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire;
Given Name Surname Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Samuel Holms 40 1801 Male Ag-lab Herefordshire England
Esther Holms 30 1811 Female Herefordshire England
Hanah Holms 8 1833 Female Herefordshire England
Maria Holms 3 1838 Female Herefordshire England
Emma Holms 11 Mo 1840 Female Herefordshire England

Sadly I'm unable to add anymore info to what you already know. I found your above post not because I'm researching your line, but while searching the forum for "Holmes" & "Linton" regarding the next post on this thread. As much as I understand some of your reasoning for discounting Mary Holmes from your researches, I feel I must query part of it, when you say "Holmes is not a Southern name".
In principle I'm sure you're correct, however please don't fall into the same trap I have done myself morwe than once regarding surnames, such as my recent post re Mayo and assuming it was Irish, when it most probably isn't.

My schoolyears in the Western Dean often involved a certain lad named Holmes, so your post struck a distinct nerve with me ! Moving-on and right across the Forest, searching this site's PRs as I've been tonight shows eleven Holmes from Linton back to the late 1600s, and a further 59 in the neighbouring Upton Bishop parish back to the 1700s, so I respectfully suggest that you might need to rethink your reasoning. Also, as much as I agree that Mary does seem a traditional family name, it is also a hugely-popular name for a great many other families too with it's Biblical background.

I do hope this post helps with your researches, all the very best, Jeff.

I am also looking for this marriage. Thomas is the son of John TEAGUE or TEAGIE, the brother of my 3xGreat Grandmother.

I have also noted the fact that the Census records are pretty consistant about the date of birth for Mary as being 1798-9. I have utterly discounted the Ancestry Tree suggestion of Mary HOLMES, as there is no collateral for it, and HOLMES is not a southern name anyway.

I think a VERY good bet is Mary JONES who was christened in Linton on 22 April 1798, and had parents William and Lucy. Looking at Mary and Thomas TEAGUE's children's names, this looks a very likely candidate.

I have failed to find a marriage too, whatever the name.

Hope this helps, and would welcome any further suggestions.

Jane Jackson

Levi DOBBS - age 28
Elizabeth DOBBS - 26 (nee DOBBS - married 1839 Linton)
Elizabeth DOBBS - 4
John DOBBS - 2
MARY DOBBS - 4 Months

also listed 1841 Census LINTON (on Ancestry transcribed as DOBBY - but reads DOBBS)

Levi DOBBS - age 55
Ann DOBBS - 50
William - 20
George - 16
Thirza - 10

I wonder if the baptism was performed as a Child rather than babe ?

Year 1809
Month Mar
Day 29
Parents Surname DOBBS
Child Forenames Mary
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Eliz
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda Base d
Notes
Register Reference P225 IN 1/3
Page Number 64
Parish Chapel Newent

Name: Mary Teague
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 88
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 358

1881
Thomas Teague abt 1804 Redmarly, Worcestershire, England Head Yatton, Herefordshire
Mary Teague abt 1798 Linton, Hereford, England Wife Yatton, Herefordshire
Ann Teague abt 1859 Upton Bishop, Hereford, England Granddaughter Yatton, Herefordshire

1871 Yatton
Thomas Teague 68
Mary Teague 73
Mary Teague 41

1861
Thomas Teague abt 1802 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Head Yatton, Herefordshire
Mary Teague abt 1799 Linton, Herefordshire, England Wife Yatton, Herefordshire
Mary Teague abt 1831 Yatton, Herefordshire, England Daughter Yatton, Herefordshire

1851 Census
Elton Tything
Mary TEAGUE age 53 - born Linton unmarried working as a Nurse in the home of John CANNOCK, Farmer of 110 acres

- whilst her husband Thomas age 48 - Carpenter is living in Yatton, Herefordshire - with his daughter Mary age 21, plus Mary A DOBBS - Niece (Mary's/Thomas') age 3, born Upton Bishop

Marianne DOBBS - christened 4 July 1848 - Upton Bishop, parents Benjamin and Susan DOBBS - School Master, address Schools Upton Bishop
On the 1851 census -Upton Bishop - Benjamin DOBBS is aged 68 School House, born Linton - is this Mary's brother ? living with his wife Susanne age 41, School Mistress, born Castle Morton. Son William Thos age 4 born Upton Bishop, Castle Beaman Lodger - School Boarder - plus a Carpenter - Thoms ? Visitor aged 30 born Castle Morton, Worcester

There is a Benjamin (7 June 1782) and a Mary DOBBS christened in Linton 29 February 1784 - parents John and Lucy - may be Mary was older than she made out on the census returns and she married? a younger man. Last children born when she would have been 45. Lucy and John had another Son, Levi christened 20 November 1785, who also had a son named Levi christened 18 February 1818.

On the England & Wales Criminal Register Summer 1831 - Hereford - a Levi DOBBS was found not guilty of House-breaking (on Ancestry)

1861 census, Tewkesbury

Thomas SHARP - age 47 Coachbuilder, born Redmarley
Sarah SHARP - age 46 - born Linton
S A SHARP - daughter 17 - born Tksy? Glos
John SHARP - brother - 45 - born Redmarley
M A DOBBS - Sister-in-law age 13 born Hereford, Upton Bishop
James CUSTOMS - age 19 - nephew
John SHUARD ? age 17 - nephew
Jane ROBERTS - age 19 servant
Robert FOWLER - age 30 (Lodger/Curate)