Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary Pye - Newland

Mary Pye - Newland (reply)

ABentham — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 13:09:50 +0000

Peter,

Regarding last statement above that John Pye was a grandson of Walter Pye. Do you happen to know which of Walter Pye’s children was the father of this John Pye at all?

I am descended from this John Pye and his wife Jemima Russell through a long chain of Russells. I have concluded that John is likely to be Walter Pye O’Mynde’s grandson but have not pinned down any corroborating evidence as yet.

Thanks,

Andrew

Mary Pye - Newland (reply)

Peter Preece — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:38:41 +0000

Thank you rookancestrybest for your interest in Mary Pye. I have used the various sites that you mention with moderate success. I already have quite a lot information regarding the Ross Merrick Quakers. I am a member of the Quakers Family History Society and have been in touch with the Quaker Library in London.
Thank you jimashton for your reply. I am sorry but I have no information regarding your Pye tribe. However, I will show below the bare bones of Mary's line:-
Mary Pye b1683 at Upton Bishop d1723 was the youngest daughter of John Pye of Kilpeck who died in 1731. His eldest daughter Jemima b1676 at St Devereux married Arnold Russell and had three sons- Arnold, John and Richard. John Pye was the grandson of Sir Walter Pye of the Mynde.
Thank you slowhands for your comments which should help jimashton.
Seasons Greetings To You All.
Peter Preece

George PYE 1765 ish - Farmer Hom Green, Walford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:17:45 +0000

If this is the same George across these records, I'd guess he was born around 1765 ish

Hom Green near Coughton and Walford.

Year: 1796
Month: Sep
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: PYE
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HIGGINS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Eastnor in Hereford
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Robert Pye
Witness_2: Eliz[abeth] Howels
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Taylor Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/10
Page_Number: 77
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye

Year: 1797
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: PYE
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth Higgins
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Gowan Evans A.B. Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/3
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye

and
1799 PYE John Higgins George Sarah Ross on Wye
1801 PYE George Higgins George Sarah Ross on Wye

Year: 1804
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Surname: PYE
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Hom Green
Age_at_death: 38
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Wife of George Pye Farmer of Hom Green
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/3
Page_No: 2
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye

Year: 1806
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: PAGE
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Ross in the County and Diocese of Hereford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MARFELL
Brides_Forenames: Abiah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Joseph Rudge
Witness_2: Mary Marfell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Richd Walond Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/8
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard

1808 PYE William George Abiah Hom Green Farmer Ross on Wye
1810 PYE Jane George Abiah Ross on Wye
1813 PYE Sarah George Abiah of this parish Farmer Ross on Wye
1816 PYE Robert George Abiah in this parish Yeoman Ross on Wye

Year: 1815
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: PYE
Child_Forenames: Mary Abiah
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Abiah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: in this parish
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: Ja[me]s Mills Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/4
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye

dies before 1841 census (?)

1841 Hom Green
Sarah Saysell abt 1756 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Chas Pye abt 1781 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Sarah Pye abt 1801 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire

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Local and his son called Robert ?

HAREWOOD, a parish in the upper division of the hundred of Wormelow, county Hereford, 6 miles N.W. of Ross,

GEORGE PYE
------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 DEC 1768 Harewood, Hereford, England

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Parents:
Father: ROBERT PYE
Mother: ELIZ.
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P016611 1671 - 1812 0091557 Film 6900950 Film
P016611 1671 - 1812 0091557 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

am I stretching the imagination for this to be his parents

Year: 1758
Month: Aug
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: PYE
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Peterstow Hereford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: RUDGE
Brides_Forenames: Betty
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Elizabeth Rudge
Witness_2: Richard Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: P Ball vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 397
Parish_Chapel: Newland

A few Betty / Elizabeth RUDGES in 1730 / 45 timeframe to select !

Mary Pye - Newland (reply)

jimashton — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:54:02 +0000

Peter

I am afraid I cannot answer your question, but am wondering if you or anyone else reading the thread can assist me.

I have a Maria Abiah Pye, baptised Ross on Wye 27 Mar 1815. Her parents were George Pye date unknown and my 1st cousin 5 times removed Abiah Marfell baptised 30 Jan 1784 Weston under Penyard. They were married 23 Oct 1806 Weston under Penyard.

Maria Abiah Pye 1815 who is my 2nd cousin 4 times removed married Timothy Marfell baptised 13 Oct 1799 Linton by Ross. He is also my 2nd cousin 4 times removed. Timothy Marfell's father John Marfell 1764 was the brother of Abiah Marfell 1784, their parents Jonathon Marfell 1738 & Jane Thompson 1745 had children from 1764 to 1790.

I am wondering if this links with your Pye family.

Jim Ashton

Quaker Records (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:40:45 +0000

The Society of Friends has very good records. I have found Quakers very helpful when looking at information for some Quakers in my family. (My family seems to have had a wide number of denominations of Christianity in it and I have found it fascinating to find this out!) I think if you just Google "Quaker records" you will find the links but if you are stuck I will look back at the sites I have found useful.Also try: http://www.hmwquakers.org.uk/html/ross_burial_ground.html and of course www.hmwquakers.org.uk
Explore I http://www.quaker.org.uk/library too.
I also found some local Quakers, who I met by chance, were extremely helpful in searching records on my behalf. There are also a number of Quaker trades.
Quakers did move around quite a lot, working for other Quakers and moving to where other Quakers lived and to marry. You need to bear in mind that some people were not fully fledged Quakers, they could attend Meetings without being officially Quakers and the records of these are not easy to trace. I would need to check but there is a special term for them, - there are some records of them if they attended meetings. There are good records of Quaker cemeteries and of their members. However I have also discovered that they are not the only denomination who called their places of worship the "Meeting House" as I have found that some early Methodists and Presbyterians also called their places of worship this too. I know that for yet another branch of my family it took a while to establish whether the family were Quakers, Presbyterians or early Methodists and found that the latter and neither of the former options proved to be the case.

P.S. Look at:
http://www.fordean.freeserve.co.uk/rosspm.htm - it states that a James Merrick in Ross On Wye was a Quaker whose house was used for meetings in the mid-1600s...

Mary Pye - Newland

Peter Preece — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:16:48 +0000

Mary Pye b1683 in Upton Bishop married Walter Merricke of King's Caple in Kings Stanley on 17th February 1704. Mary, at the time of her wedding was living in the parish of Newland. Can anyone tell me why they married in Kings Stanley rather than Newland or Upton Bisho or King's Caple? Another oddity is that the marriage record is held by Hereford Record Office and not Gloucester.
I understand that Walter was a Quaker and members of his family established The Friends Meeting House in Ross. Mary was the daughter of John Pye of Kilpeck.
Any help with this family would be appreciated.
Peter Preece.