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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following Baptism appears on <a href="http://www.mongenes.org.uk">Mongenes</a> </p>
<p>Parish or Chapel Maindee St Johns<br />
Date 12 Mar 1890<br />
Parent's Surname HIGHLEY<br />
Child's forename(s) Margaret<br />
Father's forename(s) Mark<br />
Mother's forename(s) Julia<br />
Mother's surname (if different) <br />
Type of Event Baptism<br />
Residence 4 Phillip Street<br />
(Father's) Occupation Labourer<br />
Officiating Minister James Swinnerton, Vicar<br />
Memoranda in register G.M. Born 1st July 1864<br />
Transcriber's Notes G.M. Initials in Margin<br />
Gwent record office<br />
register ref. number LDS/PA 58<br />
Parish register entry no. 823<br />
Parish register page no. 103<br />
Record_ID 245766<br />
Transcription St Johns Maindee Baptisms 1888-1891<br />
Transcribers entry no. 231</p>
<p>I suspect the year of birth should read 1875 but occasionally when we see an adult baptism a marriage soon follows and we find this:<br />
Marriages Dec 1891<br />
Highly  Margaret    Newport, M.  11a 443<br />
Watkins  Albert John    Newport, M.  11a 443</p>
<p>and this is the family in 1901 at Breams Eaves:<br />
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place<br />
20 Albert J Watkins Head 29 1872 Male Coleford, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Margaret Watkins Wife 26 1875 Female Lane End, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Lilian E Watkins Daughter 8 1893 Female Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
20 Rose Watkins Daughter 5 1896 Female Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
20 Bertha Watkins Daughter 3 1898 Female Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
20 Thomas M Watkins Son 2 1899 Male Bream, Gloucestershire, England<br />
20 Albert H Watkins Son 1 1900 Male Bream, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>The Mongenes database tells us that Lilian Eliza Watkins was baptised on 23 November 1892 at Mynyddislwyn</p>
<p>There are a number of entries in the Mongenes database for Highley.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry, have only now and belatedly seen Mike Shepway's post, which offers another spelling ption I hadn't considered, HILEY.</p>
<p>Once again looking at the PRs shows this seems to be mainly a Monmouth and then Lydbrook name.</p>
<p>I do find this one HILEY record in the Freeminer database, he may be a relation ?.  NB the majority of FoD miners were not registered Freeminers. </p>
<p>Record_Number: 3727<br />
Forename: William Joseph<br />
Surname: HILEY<br />
Calculated Year of Birth: 1894<br />
Age: 32<br />
Day: 23<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Year: 1926<br />
Residence: Upper Lydbrook<br />
Remarks: Certificate of Birth produced<br />
Memorandum: <br />
Soundex: H400</p>
<p><br />
However I'm still struggling to find a birth record in any of the previously used resources for Mark Hiley born abt 1842.</p>
<p>--</p>
<p>Using Ancestry's free access, personal experience suggests best to use the earliest possible Census info when determining a birth year, as these things get muddied with time and even vanity on later census'. So I'd say Mark was actually born in or near Ruardean in abt 1845.</p>
<p>1851   Anchorberry, Lydbrook, Glos<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth Place</p>
<p>John  Highley  Head  52  1799  Male  Waterman. N/k, Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
Elizabeth  Highley  Wife  44  1807  Female  Reurdean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Thomas  Highley  Son  22  1829  Male  Waterman. Reurdean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
James  Highley  Son  16  1835  Male  Waterman. Reurdean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Caroline  Highley  Daughter  11  1840  Female  Scholar. English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Louisa  Highley  Daughter  10  1841  Female  Scholar. English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Mark  Highley  Son  6  1845  Male  Reurdean, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p><br />
It's very unusual to see trade of watermen, compared to say miners or woodsmen, in this side of the Forest especially in later years when the mining really took-off.</p>
<p><br />
Anchorberry is nowadays known as Hangerberry - yet another case of the Vurrist dialect and literacy problems muddying things, especially for the Census officials. It's just west of Upper Lydbrook, looking over the Wye. You may find this 1879 Ordnance Survey map of interest, zoom-into the left-hand side. You can see it's not far from  the Waterloo aka Arthur &amp; Edward pit. <br />
<a href="https://maps.nls.uk/view/101453361">https://maps.nls.uk/view/101453361</a></p>
<p>This web page contains some nice old images of the area, and if you click on them individually they'll enlarge to give excellent detail.<br />
<a href="https://thesingingoak.com/2018/06/30/james-william-george/">https://thesingingoak.com/2018/06/30/james-william-george/</a></p>
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<p>By the next Census the family has moved a few miles south to Ellwood, near Parkend and Bream which were becoming hives of industry, sadly father John seems to have had to leave the river business for work.</p>
<p>1861   Elwood, West Dean, Glos<br />
Given Name  Surname  Relationship  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth City  Birth County  Birth Country<br />
John  Heyley  Head  61  1800  Male  Labourer. Monmouth  Monmouthshire  Wales<br />
Elizabeth  Heyley  Wife  53  1808  Female  East Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Thomas  Heyley  Son  33  1828  Male  Labourer. East Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Louisa  Heyley  Daughter  20  1841  Female  East Dean  Gloucestershire  England<br />
Mark  Heyley  Son  17  1844  Male  Coalminer. East Dean  Gloucestershire  England</p>
<p><br />
1841    Lydbrook,  near Stowfield, English Bicknor Parish, Glos.<br />
Given Name  Surname  Age  Estimated Birth Year  Gender  Birth City  Birth County  Birth Country<br />
John  Highley  45  1796  Male  Waterman. Not born in county.  <br />
Elizabeth  Highley  35  1806  Female   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Thomas  Highley  12  1829  Male   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Isabella  Highley  9  1832  Female   Gloucestershire  England<br />
James  Highley  7  1834  Male   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Caroline  Highley  2  1839  Female   Gloucestershire  England<br />
Louisa  Highley  3 Mo  1841  Female   Gloucestershire  England</p>
<p><br />
Possible ?? marriage From this site's PRs;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 438<br />
Entry_Number: 100<br />
Year: 1825<br />
Month: Dec<br />
Day: 10<br />
Grooms_Surname: HYLEY<br />
Grooms_Forenames: John<br />
Grooms_Age: <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: <br />
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St. Briavels<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Surname: COLE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth<br />
Brides_Age: <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark<br />
Witness_1: Mark of Benjamin Brokshaw[?]<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Brokshaw[?]<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Cha[rle]s M. Dighton<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9<br />
Page_Number: 34<br />
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall<br />
Soundex_Groom: H400<br />
Soundex_Bride: C400</p>
<p><strong>There are 8 more &quot;HYLEY&quot; PRs that may well be related to this family.<br />
</strong><br />
???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avolon, welcome to the forum.<br />
I'm from Cinderford but don't recall ever seeing or reading the HIGHLEY / HIGHLY surname before, altho' BUTT and RUCK are less rare as far as I recall.</p>
<p>Have you searched this site's Parish Records database ?. (See dropdown menu under &quot;Resources&quot; in main toolbar).</p>
<p>There are actually abt 200 HIGHLEY PRs, the vast majority are western Forest especially Monmouth area.  <br />
Always worth searching this forum for prior threads, but in this case only a few mention the HIGHLEY name, and they seem to all be Monmouth area.<br />
eg see <a href="https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8938">https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8938</a></p>
<p><br />
I can only see one Mark, he's also the only one in Cinderford,  think he's yours;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 66360<br />
Entry_Number: 309<br />
Year: 1918<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 2<br />
Surname: HIGHLY<br />
Forenames: Mark<br />
Residence: Valley R[oa]d Cinderford<br />
Age_at_death: 71<br />
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15<br />
Page_No: 39<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex: H240</p>
<p>(So born abt 1847).</p>
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<p>Searching FreeBMD, to my surprise there are only seven ! results for the whole UK, 1837 until now !!.  All bar one are in Halifax West Yorkshire, so gives a suggestion the HIGHLEY surname may originate there ?? (lots coal mining there so quite possibly a link if true).</p>
<p>This is the only local hit, but is he your Mark, did he marry again late in life, or is it a son ??;</p>
<p>Surname   First name(s)   Mother/Spouse/Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Dec 1912   (&gt;99%)<br />
Brown  Mary  Highley  Westbury S  6a 633 <br />
HIGHLEY  Mark  Brown  Westbury S.  6a 633 </p>
<p><a href="https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl">https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl</a></p>
<p><br />
Using GlosBMD searching Mark Highley in 1912 can confirm; </p>
<p>Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
HIGHLEY Mark BROWN Mary Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office  1912 15 173<br />
HIGHLEY Mark BRADLEY Mary Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office  1912 15 173</p>
<p><a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx</a></p>
<p>So that's a good reason we didn't find this in the Church aka Parish Records, as was at the local Registry Office.<br />
This record shows that this was the bride's second marriage, her maiden name at birth was Mary BRADLEY, her first husband was a BROWN.</p>
<p>Re-searching FreeBMD and then the FoD PRs show a great many more records for Mary Highleys thro the decades. Again mostly are in Halifax area, but this one looks like maybe our lady.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 67120<br />
Entry_Number: 1068<br />
Year: 1929<br />
Month: Sep<br />
Day: 4<br />
Surname: HIGHLEY<br />
Forenames: Mary<br />
Residence: St John`s Square Cinderford<br />
Age_at_death: 69<br />
Officiating_Minister: A M Parr Curate<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15<br />
Page_No: 134<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex: H240</p>
<p>(So born abt 1860.)</p>
<p>Note the same Register Reference as for Mark's burial earlier, suggesting this maybe an actual Plot number in the graveyard. </p>
<p><br />
Once again can search for her earlier marriage to a BRADLEY;</p>
<p>FreeBMD;<br />
Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Jun 1893   (&gt;99%)<br />
Bradley  Mary    Westbury S.  6a 461 <br />
Brown  Job     Westbury S.  6a 461 <br />
Carter  Albert     Westbury S.  6a 461  <br />
Wintle  Mary Jane     Westbury S.  6a 461</p>
<p><br />
GlosBMD confirms it's our specific area (W-o-S District covers all the eastern half of the Forest);</p>
<p>Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
BROWN Job BRADLEY Mary Forest of Dean Cinderford St John the Evangelist  1893 2 491</p>
<p><br />
FoD PRs give detail;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 32992<br />
Entry_Number: 491<br />
Year: 1893<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 9<br />
Grooms_Surname: BROWN<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Job<br />
Grooms_Age: 36<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brown<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Brides_Surname: BRADLEY<br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary<br />
Brides_Age: 33<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Cinderford<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bradley<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: W. Bradley<br />
Witness_2: Alice Brown<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5<br />
Page_Number: 246<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex_Groom: B650<br />
Soundex_Bride: B634</p>
<p><br />
So Mary Bradley now Brown was born abt 1860, which perfectly matches the earlier Burial record, and she's &quot;from&quot; the Cinderford area like Mark.</p>
<p>Cannot find her Baptism in the PRs, but this seems to be her, again from FreeBMD &amp; then GlosBMS confirming her mother's maiden name;</p>
<p>Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1860   (&gt;99%)<br />
BRADLEY  Mary    Westbury on S  6a 177</p>
<p>Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
BRADLEY Mary REECE 1860 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 20 281</p>
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<p>Husband Job Brown died in 1911, so a good fit for her second marriage to Mark Highley in late 1912.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 65892<br />
Entry_Number: 1440<br />
Year: 1911<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 5<br />
Surname: BROWN<br />
Forenames: Job<br />
Residence: St. Johns Tump Cinderford<br />
Age_at_death: 54 years<br />
Officiating_Minister: G. Watson Curate<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14<br />
Page_No: 181<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex: B650</p>
<p>Record_ID: 403834<br />
Entry_Number: 716<br />
Year: 1857<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 2<br />
Parents_Surname: BROWN<br />
Child_Forenames: Job<br />
Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Newnham<br />
Occupation: Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister: E C Brice<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/9<br />
Page_Number: 90<br />
Parish_Chapel: Newnham<br />
Soundex: B650</p>
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<p>Least that's one theory re Mark Highley's later life, but it needs to be compared with the census info to see if I've got it right.<br />
That would also prove, or not, if Mark was a miner. I've searched this site's Freeminer database but no luck there.</p>
<p><br />
Wotyereckon Avalon ?</p>
<p>atb J</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another birth from Glos BMD:<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry  <br />
HIGHLY Henry Mark BUTT 1870 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 32 220 </p>
<p>and marriage of parents:<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry  <br />
HILEY John BUTT Julia Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office Closed 1867 6 44</p>
<p>FreeBMD has this entry:<br />
Marriages Dec 1867<br />
BUTT  Julia    Monmouth  11a 84<br />
HILEY  John    Monmouth  11a 84<br />
HILEY  Mark    Monmouth  11a 84</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1861 Census, </p>
<p>Alton Street, Union Workhouse - Herefordshire, Ross</p>
<p>Julie BUTT - 9  - born Lea Bailey<br />
Daniel BUTT - 7 - born Lea Bailey</p>
<p><br />
GRO Index: Julie BUTT , Sept Qtr 1850, Ross etc - mother's maiden name : MANSELL</p>
<p><br />
so far, can see a Charles Blase BUTT - 1848, Ross etc - mother's maiden name: MANSELL</p>
<p><br />
Charles Blase BUTT - christened 4 June 1848, Walford by Ross: parents William and Eliz</p>
<p>1861 Census, Herefordshire, Weston Under Penyard</p>
<p>Keel/Reel House</p>
<p>Mary S WATKINS - Widow, 54 - born Eastdean Glos<br />
Sarah B BUTT - 7 - Niece, born Ludlow, Shropshire<br />
Charles BUTT - 13, - Nephew, Ag. Lab. born Walford, Herefordshire.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for Starters...</p>
<p>If you look under : Help - FAQ</p>
<p><br />
and use the link to</p>
<p>Glos BMD Index</p>
<p>Thomas HIGHLEY - 1869 - mother's maiden name BUTT</p>
<p>Abel John HIGHLEY - 1872 - mother's maiden name BUTT</p>
<p>Margaret HIGHLEY - 1875 - ditto</p>
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<p>Ancestry has</p>
<p>Abel John HIGHLEY's (Uk, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956)<br />
Age: 29</p>
<p>Birth Date: 3 December 1872</p>
<p>Residence Date: 22 October 1902</p>
<p>Company: Great Western </p>
<p>Occupation: Carman</p>
<p>Absonded 22 October 1912</p>
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<p>Julie (aged 20 on the 1871 census) and 32 on the 1881 census, says, she was born Lea Bailey, Hereford</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot to mention Julia's surname looks like being Butt  - thanks</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone, am researching my mums family tree and her grandfather Albert John Highley was born in Cinderford in 1872, his parents were Mark Highley b.1842'ish Lydbrook, and Julia Highley (no maiden name at this point) born 1849'ish. Albert has a sister Margarett born 1875'ish a brother Henry born 1871 but had died before the next census.  It is believed Mark Highley was a coal miner.  <br />
Any Highleys still in the area ? or relations that can also trace back to these names ?  Many6 thanks Avalon</p>
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