Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Malinda MASON (nee DAVIS) 1845 - 1897

Malinda MASON (nee DAVIS) 1845 - 1897 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 07 Aug 2024 14:24:57 +0000

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Mason Melinda 54 Westbury S. 6a 181

Year: 1897
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Melinda
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 54
Officiating_Minister: Arthur G. Gregor Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 107
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1891 Hawkwell

Ben Mason Head Married Male 47 1844 Stone cutter Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Malinda Mason Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Single Female 24 1867 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son - Male 15 1876 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son - Male 13 1878 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son - Male 1 1890 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England

1881
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 38 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Milinda Mason Wife Married Female 36 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Mason Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Meada Mason Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son Single Male 0 1881 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871
Benjamin Mason Head - Male 27 1844 Shoe cutter Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Malenda Mason Wife - Female 26 1845 - Ruardean Woodside, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Ruardean Woodside, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Ruardean Woodside, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son - Male 1 1870 - Ruardean Woodside, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1865
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Age: of age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Aston Ingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Master Mason
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Melinda
Brides_Age: of age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Aston Ingham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davis
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Elizabeth Aubrey
Witness_2: Thomas Aubrey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Hy L Whatley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/7
Page_Number: 103
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage (reply)

rachaelw — Thu, 01 Aug 2024 16:41:11 +0000

My great grandfather Henry Simmonds was married to Alice Mason. Sadly she passed away when she was quite young in 1910.
We went to visit the family graves in Drybrook. I believe I saw a grave there for “Malinda Mason” just opposite my great grandfathers.
Alice and Henry had a daughter and named her Ada Malinda.

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage (reply)

Mac74 — Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:31:17 +0000

No drama i appreciate everyone look ups and time ill keep popping in to see if anyone mentions my Davis Mason Tippins Baldwin Saunders families from the forest! All interesting stuff especially me Masons carry ons! Thanks again

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage (reply)

Arrowhead — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 21:13:40 +0000

Never seen any connection to Masons and Sarah Davis never had a brother or sister as far as I'm aware.

Sarah's parentage is confusing as census states she was daughter of Charles Davis (b. Lydney) and after her death her eldest daughter, Emily, reports in a newspaper article that Letitia Davis and John Preddy.

Letitia and Charles were the children of Austin Davis and Sarah Greenwood of Great Wolford Warwickshire and were a widespread Romany family as are the Fletchers. Sarah's death was widely reported in newspapers and she was recognised in the forest as a well respected healer using plants from the forest.

I have extensive research on both Davis and Fletcher. There are a few gaps so don't claim to know everything but not come across a lot of the names in this thread or found any links in my tree.

connections (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 28 Jan 2024 19:40:26 +0000

so I guess it would be useful to attempt to draw out a chart (s) to show the various connections esp where the FLETCHER and DAVIS, and MASON lines mingle etc.

from experience helping trace gypsy roots has been frustrated by enumerators who either failed or simply missed some families living in tents in the Forest - this seems especially true in the early censuses.

often searching by trade such as Tin plate worker, basket maker, chair maker, tinker etc can uncover related groups of travelling folk. There are groups who appear to settle in the area - based on where they are on Census day and then places of birth for the off spring. and then others who roam far and wide, Gloucestershire, Northamptonshire, Somerset, Herefordshire etc.

all we try to do here is assist where we can with evidence, and offer experience and possible directions to explore, perhaps " based on what we find, it feels like". Sometimes the tree/branches are clear, and then they can be confusing !

we are human, we make mistakes, but on the whole the results speak for themselves

candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851 (reply)

Mac74 — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 23:43:22 +0000

So the Melinda Davis family is who i need to trace ? The info on Benjamin and melinda poss tent dwellers maybe link to Sarah or family as faras i can see Sarahs brother Charles was born westdean and her Father was from Lyndham forest of dean ?many of the families of travellers seem to ave never left the forest some uo to 100 years on census? So the links provided to Fletchers Davis on thread are nothingto do with the post the. Seems lot of effort if theres no link confused to say least it does seem me Dad heard right as a kid in South Wales Florence was indeed illigimate daughter of George brought up by Noah George links to Melinda and Benjamin Ellen is indeed illigimate as for Miranda it seems im tracing wrong Davis due to fletcher davis posts that were provided for no reason i need to reread thru topic and see parents for Mirand aand see any or if any tie on from an ancestor of families from FOD whos never been to the forest or tried tracing family they didnt make it easy down there im more confused then Scooby Doo

candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:50:55 +0000

Melinda's family seem settled in the Forest, Sarah seems to have travelled in from the Hereford/\shropshire borders nr Ludlow.

candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851 (reply)

Mac74 — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:17:38 +0000

Ive done a little bit research today thats right for Sarahs parents Leticia seems to be used a lot by look of records ive seen linege of Sarah and huband Eli Fletchers on this site but cant find any more on her siblings ie sisters to see if Meranda ties in ?

candidate for Sarah FLETCHER nee DAVIS c1851 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:53:57 +0000

Sarah born in the Hereford/Shropshire borders between Leominsier and Ludlow
Probably brought up by Aunt Letitia

1861 Tent in Tidenham !
Letitia Davies abt 1833 Herefordshire, England Head Tidenham Gloucestershire tin carrier
Charles Davies abt 1836 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Brother Tidenham Gloucestershire tin plate worker
Sarah Davies abt 1851 Richards Castle, Shropshire, England Niece Tidenham Gloucestershire tin carrier

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley (Green)
Charles Davis abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire tin plate worker
Leticia Davis abt 1841 Hereford, England Sister West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley area
Eli Fletcher Head Married Male 34 1847 Tin plate worker City of London, Middlesex, England
Sarah Fletcher Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Shropshire, England
Emily Fletcher Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eli Fletcher Son Single Male 9 1872 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Hootin Fletcher Son Single Male 7 1874 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Leticia Fletcher Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Fletcher Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jami Fletcher Son Single Male 1 1880 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Fletcher Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage (reply)

Mac74 — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:32:44 +0000

Quick update!
Just like to say i showed my Dad all the stuff and records that was kindly found out about his Mason line hes so thankful and would like to say thankyou on his behalf i got the job of trying to put it in order for him
As far as the Davis Family who has Sarah Davis ( Fletcher Eli Fletcher being her husband) has her Davis line been traced i notice an article on her death as Queen of Forest And wondering if she in any way links to Melinda Davis Benjamin Mason?
Nearly forgot to say me Dad was told Ellens Father wasnt Noah but Benjamins but it was hussed up or not even worried about!
Should i post new topic on Sarahs Line regarding any link to Melinda?
Thanks again great work by all

George MASON 1837 - 1895 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 22 Jan 2024 16:30:43 +0000

but not a coal miner

Year: 1901
Month: Dec
Day: 22
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Rebecca
Residence: Brierly
Age_at_death: 66 years
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ard] Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 8
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
1901 Petty Croft
Rebecca Mason Boarder Widow Female 68 1833 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Year: 1895
Month: May
Day: 10
Surname: MASON
Forenames: George
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: 69 years
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ar]d Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/13
Page_No: 88
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1891 Petty Croft Ruardean
George Mason Head Married Male 55 1836 Stone quarry man East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Wife Married Female 57 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1881 ruardean area
George Mason Head Married Male 43 1838 Quarry man (s v) East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebekeh Mason Wife Married Female 47 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871 Petty Croft Ruardean
George Mason Head - Male 35 1836 - Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Wife - Female 37 1834 - Gloucestershire, England
Year: 1860
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Quarry Man
Grooms_Residence: Lane End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Brides_Surname: MASON
Brides_Forenames: Rebekah
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lane End
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Ann Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 232
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861 Brierley
Benjamin Mason Head Widower Male 60 1801 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Married Male 24 1837 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1861 Brierley
George Mason Head Married Male 58 1803 Journeyman East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lydia Mason Wife Married Female 58 1803 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Lodger Unmarried Male 25 1836 Journeyman East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 20 Jan 2024 09:13:02 +0000

1911 1 Clydach Cottage Upper Tenent Cwmtillery, Abertillery, Monmouthshire
George Tippins Head Married Male 46 1865 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Ellen Tippins Wife Married Female 39 1872 - Forest of Dean
Fred Tippins Son Single Male 23 1888 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Charlotte Tippins Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Assisting housework Forest of Dean
George Tippins Son Single Male 14 1897 Collier Forest of Dean
Gertie Tippins Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School part time Forest of Dean
Weston Tippins Son Single Male 10 1901 - Forest of Dean
Elsie Tippins Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Cwmtillery Mon
Jessie Tippins Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Cwmtillery Mon

George marries Ellen Mason, daughter of Noah, in 1902 Llanfair, Bedwelty.

First name(s) George
Spouse's age 30
Last name Tippins
Spouse's birth year 1872
Age 37
Spouse's father's last name Mason
Birth year 1865
Spouse's father's first name(s) Noah
Event year 1902
County Monmouthshire
Banns year -
Country Wales
Marriage year 1902
Event Marriage
Marriage date 22 Apr 1902
Page 127
Marriage place Llanfair
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Father's first name(s) Francis
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's last name Tippins
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Spouse's last name Mason

witnesses Jotham and Brenda MASON (again)

George Tippins 1865 and son Fred were visiting Noah Mason in 1901, George's spouse Rhoda Meek having died 1890.

She already had children Charlotte, George, Gertrude and Weston, by unknown partner/s, but they were being "provided for by father of children" (1901 census).

1901 Ruardean Hill
Ellen Mason Head Single Female 29 1872 Domestic East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Daughter - Female 7 1894 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son - Male 5 1896 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude Mason Daughter - Female 3 1898 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Weston Mason Son - Male 0 1901 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Weston Hartley 1900 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 8 210

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Gertrude Ellen 1898 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 6 308

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON George 1896 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 4 239

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Charlotte Annie 1894 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 2 186

George MASON 1869 - 1888 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:54:40 +0000

hard to see how this George can be the true Father (!) perhaps he "is in name only" to cover up a illegitimate birth

Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry
MASON George 19 1888 Westbury on Severn, Newnham 28 182

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
Mason George 19 Westbury S. 6a 149

Year: 1888
Month: Nov
Day: 25
Surname: MASON
Forenames: George
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 19
Officiating_Minister: Ernest W. Hamper Offg Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 28
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881 Holy Trinity Drybrook area
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 38 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Milinda Mason Wife Married Female 36 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Mason Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Meada Mason Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son Single Male 0 1881 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON George DAVIS 1869 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 31 41

Year: 1869
Month: Dec
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Melenda [sic]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Glo[uce]ster[shire]
Occupation: Stone Mason
Officiating_Minister: T[homas] E[plett] Mundy
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Baptised at] B[ible] C[hristian] Chapel Ruardean
Notes: Duplicate Entry number as found on page 48
Register_Reference: D2598 5/4
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

1861 Brierly
Benjamin Mason Head Widower Male 60 1801 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Married Male 24 1837 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1851 Hopers Well in the Grounds, Hawthorns
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 40 1811 Stone cutter Gloucestershire, England
Catherine Mason Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England
James Mason Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Coalminer Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coalminer Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 At home Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 At home East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 At home East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Jordan Step son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coalminer Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Jordan Step daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Scholar Ross, Herefordshire, England

Jotham MASON 1878- 1960 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:34:13 +0000

son of Noah and Charlotte

Deaths Jun 1960 (>99%)
MASON Jotham 81 Bedwellty 8c 44

Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
Mason Brenda L 50 Newport M. 11a 232

1911 45, Cwmtillery West Bank, Abertillery, Bedwellty,
Jonathan Mason Head Married Male 21 1880 Collier (hewer) Westbury, Gloucestershire, England
Brenda Mason Wife Married Female 18 1883 - Westbury, Gloucestershire, England

1901 45, Cwmtillery West Bank, Abertillery, Bedwellty,
Jonathan Mason Head Married Male 21 1880 Collier (hewer) Westbury, Gloucestershire, England
Brenda Mason Wife Married Female 18 1883 - Westbury, Gloucestershire, England

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Mason Jothan Bedwelty 11a 124
Miller Brenda Bedwelty 11a 124

First name(s) Jothan
Bride's parish 45 West Side, Cwmtillery
Last name Mason
Groom's parish Upper Levels, Abertillery
Birth year 1879
Bride's father's first name(s) Peter
Marriage year 1900
Bride's father's last name Miller
Marriage day 3
Bride's father's occupation Collier
Marriage month Dec
Groom's father's first name(s) Noah
Place Abertillery, St Michael
Groom's father's last name Mason
Bride's first name(s) Brenda
Groom's father's occupation Collier
Bride's last name Miller
Witnesses Mantrick Cole,Rhoda Miller
Groom's first name(s) Jothan
County Monmouthshire
Groom's last name Mason
Country Wales
Bride's age 18
Record set Gwent Fhs Marriages - Blackwood
Groom's age 21
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Bride's marital status Spinster
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Groom's marital status Bachelor
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Groom's occupation Collier

Year: 1879
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Jotham
Fathers_Forenames: Noah
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: Wm Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Birth registered as Jothan
Register_Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 99
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

First name(s) Brenda Louisa
Country England
Last name Miller
Volume 6A
Birth quarter 2
Page 264
Birth year 1882
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Westbury on Severn
Subcategory Civil Births
County Gloucestershire
Collections from Great Britain, England

Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: MILLER
Grooms_Forenames: Peter
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bilson
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Miller
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: COLE
Brides_Forenames: Rhoda
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Cole
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: James Cole
Witness_2: Elizabeth Cole
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 202
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and Melinda (reply)

Mac74 — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:54:40 +0000

Right i get you ! What a tangled web !!!
So theres a marriage into Davis family thru Aunt as far as we can tell ill show all of the details to me Dad tomorrow cant wait he seems think that Ellen was a mason but no one seems to no which one and she was provided for by the Father on phone to him earlier but will ask more tomorrow what weve had found fiorus so far is amazing
Interesting the fact that Noah and Charlotte and maybe few others didnt marry in church was that a usual practice back then in the Forest?

Florence Eveline MASON 1891,Melinda (updated mother in law) (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:48:28 +0000

Hi
Melinda Davis is the mother of the deaf/dumb children, and Ellen 1869, I suspect she is a great Aunt to Florence MASON.....need to see what was recorder on her birth and marriage certs to attempt to untangle this one. And then we may have two sources in agreement if you you are lucky !

Update

NOah MASON 1838 is her Grandfather

she gives her father as a George MASON witnesses Jotham and Brenda MASON which make Melinda her "mother in Law" had they married , however my George candidate dies before he could father Florence

so is the George MASON father an older man - there are a couple of candidates nearby or was the dead George MASON a convenient scapegoat to cover up the pregnancy ?

First name(s) Florence Evelyn
Spouse's age 26
Last name Mason
Spouse's birth year 1883
Age 18
Spouse's father's last name Jones
Birth year 1891
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Event year 1909
County Monmouthshire
Banns year -
Country Wales
Marriage year 1909would
Event Marriage
Marriage date 05 Jun 1909
Page 87
Marriage place Llanhilleth
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Father's first name(s) George
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's last name Mason
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Edward John
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Spouse's last name Jones

groom and both fathers given as Colliers ( i.e. all living as deceased is the normal entry otherwise) again George could be a phantom !

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah etc (reply)

Mac74 — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 16:28:24 +0000

Hi Slowhands and Jefff
Thanks for taking time out to do look ups and sharing????great stuff ive never looked back at my Jones line so thats great????definately something else to look into
Back to Florence so she was illigitimate after all by looks of it and took her Mothers name of Mason am i right ? Im still trying to work out her or her husbands link back to Benjamin Mason and Melenda Davis ? Is that her Nan or possibly her Mum? Bear with me im looking for me readers!

Edward John JONES 1883 - 1959 Llanelly Brecon (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 15:58:46 +0000

Deaths Mar 1959 (>99%)
Jones Edward John 76 Bedwelty 8c 51

1891 Cwmnantgam, Llanelly, Crickhowell,
Miles Jones Head Married Male 44 1847 Coal miner Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Sarah Ann Jones Daughter Single Female 21 1870 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Miles Jones Son Single Male 16 1875 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Mashmay Jones Son - Male 14 1877 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Margaret Jones Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Thomas James Jones Son - Male 5 1886 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Flore Ann Jones Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Sarah Jones Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Edward Jones Brother Widower Male 40 1851 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
John Jones Nephew - Male 8 1883 - -

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
Jones Edward John Crickhowell 11b 123

1851 Tyle, Llanwenarth Ultra, Abergavenny,
John Jones Head Married Male 33 1818 Coal miner Monmouthshire, Wales
Sarah Jones Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Brecknockshire, Wales
Ann Jones Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Brecknockshire, Wales
John Jones Son - Male 10 1841 - Monmouthshire, Wales
George Jones Son - Male 7 1844 - Llangattock, Breconshire, Wales
Miles Jones Son - Male 3 1848 - Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Edward Jones Son - Male 0 1851 - Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah in 1911. (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 15:50:52 +0000

UPDATE - Pleased to see Slowhands has added to his original post while I was typing the above post. I also saw the possibility Florence and Edward Jones were in Bedwelty district, which includes Abertillery - I was helped by my finding this 1911 census record for her widowed father Noah living with her brother Sydney. I'm sure Slowhands will soon find them in the 1901 census as well.

Name: Sidney Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Birthplace: Plump, Gloucestershire
Marriage Date: 1910
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COAL MINER
Number in Family: 5
Years Married: 1
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship Code: Head
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: England
Event Place (Original): Abertillery, COED - CAE DY ABERTILLERY, Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Sub-District Number: 1
Enumeration District: 28
District Number: 585
Household Identifier: 318410583
Record Type: Household
Document Type: 6
Line Number: 1
Page Number: 1
Source Page Type: 6
Piece/Folio: 583
Registration Number: RG14
Schedule Type: 292

Name: Mary Mason
Sex: Female
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Birthplace: Treeton Nr Rotherham, Yorkshire
Marital Status: Married
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife

Name: Albert James Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 0
Birth Year (Estimated): 1911
Birthplace: Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Son

Name: Noah Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 73
Birth Year (Estimated): 1838
Birthplace: Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: RETIRED COAL MINER
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Father

Name: Ethel Baldwin
Sex: Female
Age: 8
Birth Year (Estimated): 1903
Birthplace: Bulwell Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Occupation: SCHOOL
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Visitor

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Sidney Mason Son M 23 Plump, Gloucestershire
Mary Mason F 23 Treeton Nr Rotherham, Yorkshire
Albert James Mason M 0 Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Ethel Baldwin F 8 Bulwell Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

Given her young age to be a "visitor", I suspect Ethel BALDWIN may be a relative ?
Or maybe they're just minding a neighbour's child at the moment the census official called by.

FreeBMD tells us Noah's wife Charlotte passed away in 1908;

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1908
MASON Charlotte. 67 Bedwelty 11a 61 Pat

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Hope this helps. Rest assured if I'd known Slowhands was going to be returning to these older posts then I would have left them and you Duncan in his more than capable, and definitely not slow, hands :-).
I look forward to reading his continued findings.
atb J

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah etc (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 15:06:12 +0000

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
JONES Edward John Pontypool 11a 305
MASON Florence Evelyn Pontypool 11a 305

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Mason Florence Eveline Westbury S. 6a 243

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Barnard Charlotte Westbury S. 6a 413
Mason Noah Westbury S 6a 413

To further clarify Slowhands' findings above;

1. Odd how Edward and Florence Jones seem to have evaded the 1911 census, or indeed later records such as death records, at least as far as I can find. Hopefully Duncan you already have this information.

2. Duncan, you mentioned your Dad "was told that either Florence or her Mother were born out of wedlock and took Mason surname?"

Slowhands gave you the above BMD records from the FreeBMD website. At first glance it seems the family weren't churchgoers, otherwise Slowhands would have given you parish records to give more information about the events, especially useful as they often contained sidenotes if a child was baptised out of wedlock. However, we can still look-up the above records on the GlosBMD website which gives a little more info, namely;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Florence Eveline 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 62 93

The absence of the mother's former name in this record usually suggests that Florence was illegitimate.

3. Regarding the Marriage of Noah and Charlotte in 1860, the GlosBMD record helpfully confirms this wasn't a church wedding;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MASON Noah BARNARD Charlotte Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1860 2 125

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

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Despite thinking Noah and Charlotte were not churchgoers, I now see this FoDFH website contains detailed Baptism Records for several of their children, and a couple of marriages, as follows. More details can be found by looking at each individual record, but suffice to say in every one Noah is given as a coal miner, residing Ruardean Hill, and the church is "Drybrook", aka the beautiful Holy Trinity on Harrow Hill, known locally as the Forest Church. http://drybrook.forestchurch.org.uk/

Those baptisms, and a few other records, are:

Year Surname First Name Fathers Forename Mothers Forename Event Parish/Chapel More detail

1861 MASON Jacob Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1863 MASON Joseph Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1864 MASON Thomas Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1866 MASON Amelia Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1869 MASON Elijah Joseph Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1871 MASON Ellen Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1873 MASON George Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1875 MASON Sarah Anne Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1877 MASON Keziah Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1879 MASON Jotham Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1881 MASON George Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1887 MASON Sydney Albert Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail

1882 MASON Jacob Noah Marriage Drybrook More detail
1885 MASON Thomas Noah Marriage Ruardean More detail

Full records here https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/resources/parish-records

I think the absence of Florence from this list is further proof she was born out of wedlock.