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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.<br />
I had never found the birth registration of Albert Williams.<br />
all the other information i had previously seen.<br />
I had also seen that Mary Ann Reed had married A George Sleeman but had later returned to her parents home alone in 1871 census.<br />
I  have long suspected that an affair/dalliance took place between Mary Reed and John Warry Williams(her brother-in-law) but could find no proof. The name John Warry Williams just sticks in my head from childhood, just as the name Blackburn is remembered as friends of the family in Castleford.<br />
Once again, many thanks for your troubles.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a birth registration as follows:<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry   <br />
WILLIAMS Albert REED 1872 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 29 147</p>
<p>This tells us the birth was registered at Coleford Register Office which has been closed for some years and that his mother's maiden name is REED.</p>
<p>We then find a marriage on 22 February 1864 between John Worrey/Warrey Williams and Adelaide Reed at St John's Church, Cinderford. Full details in the Parish Registers on this site. This entry confirms that Adelaide is the daughter of Isaiah.</p>
<p>This is the Williams family in the 1871 Census:<br />
1871 England, Wales &amp; Scotland Census<br />
Lydbrook, West Dean, Monmouth, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Household members (6 people)<br />
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place<br />
John Warry Williams Head - Male 26 1845 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Adelaide Williams Wife - Female 28 1843 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Clara Williams Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Celia Williams Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Esau Warry Williams Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Oliver Williams Son - Male 2mons 1871 - Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>John Warry Williams was a Collier and Local Methodist Preacher</p>
<p>Sadly John Warry Williams died and was buried on 5 January 1873 at Lydbrook. Full details in the Parish Registers.</p>
<p>Adelaide subsequently married George Blackbourne at a Register Office in 1877.</p>
<p>We find Adelaide's Baptism in the Parish Registers. It took place on 5 March 1843 at Drybrook. Parents Isaiah and Elizabeth. Her birth does not seem to have been registered and we next find her in the 1851 Census as follows:<br />
1851 England, Wales &amp; Scotland Census<br />
Ruardean Hill,East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Household members (9 people)<br />
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place<br />
Isaiah Read Head Married Male 33 1818 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Elizabeth Read Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Thomas Brookshaw Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Coal miner Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Richard Read Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Adelaide Read Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1843 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
John Read Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Mary Anne Read Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1847 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Isaiah Read Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
George Read Son Unmarried Male 0 1851 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>The following birth  registrations tell us that Elizabeth's maiden name is BROOKSHAW so Thomas was born before Elizabeth married Isaiah on 5 May 1839 at Flaxley Parish Church. He was baptised on 10 February 1839 at Ruardean Parish Church. We assume he subsequently took the name of REED/READ.</p>
<p>In 1871 we find him at Hope Mansell,<br />
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place<br />
Phoebe Roberts Head - Female 69 1802 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Thomas Read Boarder - Male 32 1839 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
William Read Grandson - Male 11 1860 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Howard Read Grandson - Male 6 1865 - Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>Howard's birth registration confirms that his mother's maiden names ROBERTS:<br />
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: <br />
READ, HOWARD     ROBERTS  <br />
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in ROSS  Volume 06A  Page 426</p>
<p>We find William's birth is registered as follows:<br />
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: <br />
BROOKSHAW, WILLIAM     ROBERTS  <br />
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in ROSS  Volume 06A  Page 406</p>
<p>And parents marriage:<br />
Marriages Mar 1860 <br />
Roberts  Sophia    Ross  6a 597<br />
Brookshaw Thos    Ross  6a 597</p>
<p>Followed by his mother's death:<br />
Deaths Mar 1871<br />
BROOKSHAW  Sophia  33  Ross  6a 357</p>
<p>As mentioned earlier we assume that Thomas took the Surname of REED/READ and it would appear that it was subsequent to the death of his wife.</p>
<p>She was buried at Drybrook on 26 March 1871 and baptised on 24 September 1837 at Drybrook. Parents Aaron and Phoebe Roberts. See Parish Registers</p>
<p>1881 England, Wales &amp; Scotland Census<br />
5, Middle Row, Methley, Pontefract, Yorkshire &amp; Yorkshire (West Riding), England<br />
Household members (5 people)<br />
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place<br />
Thomas Reed Head Widower Male 43 1838 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
William Reed Son Single Male 20 1861 Coal miner Herefordshire, England<br />
Howard Reed Son Single Male 16 1865 Coal miner Herefordshire, England<br />
Mary A Meek Visitor Married Female 30 1851 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Albert Williams Visitor Single Male 8 1873 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>Whilst Albert is listed as a Visitor he was Thomas's Nephew.<br />
Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am searching for records of the above, my grandfather.<br />
Census shows he moved to Methley, Yorkshire with Mary A MEEK in household of Thomas REED.<br />
Any help is appreciated.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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