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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Slowhands,</p>
<p>Apologies, but I’ve only just seen your latest reply.</p>
<p>Thanks for the detail, but I’m still confused and need to digest all of this. My queries though are:<br />
The marriage of 1891 details Charles as “Matilda’s” father.  However, the 1871 Census in Wheatenhurst would suggest that Richard is her father?<br />
Why is Hanna M listed with a surname of Sollers in 1871 and then Keyse in 1881 and Seller in 1891? Is it because her parents have split up? Certainly at 3 months she is living with her parents (Sollars) but in 1881 and 1891 she is living with grandparents and then her auntie, and reverted to her mother’s maiden name of Keyse and then Seller.</p>
<p>The 1891 Census has Hannah M Seller living in Ross with her auntie, but 8 months later her marriage details state that Matilda Keyse is living with her grooms parents at Alton Court in Ross?</p>
<p>Do you think we are talking about the same person?</p>
<p>We have a census entry in 1901 for George Davies (married but not with his wife and boarding) in Abertillery, occupation<br />
“Coal hewer”. Nothing after this date for either, so your potential idea of emigration is worth investigating. Alternatively he (they?) may have moved to coalfields elsewhere, so Yorkshire/the North East? No luck with finding Matilda Davies from 1901, but then I’ve been looking for Matilda Davies, not Keyse or Seller/Soller.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Cwmity Very Monmouth&quot; (Can anyone explain?).</p>
<p>Year: 1891<br />
Month: Dec<br />
Day: 22<br />
Grooms_Surname: DAVIES<br />
Grooms_Forenames: George<br />
Grooms_Age: 27<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Miner<br />
Grooms_Residence: <strong>Cwmity Very</strong> Monmouth<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Davies<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William Paul<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Engine Driver<br />
Brides_Surname: KEYSE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Matilda<br />
Brides_Age: 21<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Alton Court<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Keyse<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Alfred Davies<br />
Witness_2: Elizabeth Davies<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: W Clifford Aston Curate<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: BW 14/7<br />
Page_Number: 42<br />
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye</p>
<p>Almost certainly a transcription of hand written Cwmtillery – South Wales mining valley with family links to the FoD. Just off the A467.  I suspect Bedwellty would be the Registration district </p>
<p><br />
1881 Albert Place, 2, Green Street, Hereford<br />
George Davis Lodger Single Male 17 1864 Labourer militiaman Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>1901 17, Oxford Street, Abertillery, Bedwellty, <br />
George Davies Boarder  Married Male 37 1864 Coal hewer under Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>Instinct points towards Emigration at this point</p>
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p>Wife Hannah M SOLLARS/KEYES ?</p>
<p>1851 New St  Swan Terrace Ross<br />
James Keyse Head Married Male 30 1821 Groom Madley, Herefordshire, England<br />
Mary Keyse Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Marden, Herefordshire, England<br />
Emma Keyse Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>1861 New St Ross<br />
James Rojee Head Married Male 40 1821 Domestic servant groom Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Mary Rojee Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Emma Rojee Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Henry Rojee Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 Scholar Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Jane Rojee Daughter - Female 1 1854 - Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>1861 Holwood Green, Dymock<br />
Richard Sollas Head Married Male 40 1821 Labourer Worcester, Worcestershire, England<br />
Hannah Sollas Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Dymock, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Jane Elizabeth Sollas Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Dymock, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Richard Sollas Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Dymock, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Alfred James Sollas Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Dymock, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p><br />
Marriages Mar 1868   (&gt;99%)<br />
KEYSE  Emma    Ross  6a 633   <br />
Sollars  Richard    Ross  6a 633</p>
<p>Births Dec 1870   (&gt;99%)<br />
Sollars  Hannah Maria    Gloucester  6a 261</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
SOLLARS Hannah Maria KEYSE 1870 Gloucester Gloucester, St John the Baptist 17 430</p>
<p>Gloucestershire Police records<br />
Warrant Joined Name Age Height Occupation Where born Highest Rank<br />
2246 13-7-1870 SOLLARS Richard 21 5ft 9 Labourer Dymock, Glos Constable <br />
Resigned 10-1-1872</p>
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1871 Harmony Cottage, Wheatenhurst<br />
Richard Sollars Head - Male 20 1851 - Dymock, England Policeman<br />
Emma Sollars Wife - Female 20 1851 - Ross, England<br />
George J Sollars Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Hannah M Sollars Daughter - Female 3 months 1871 - Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>1871 Brookend Street, Ross<br />
James Keyse Head - Male 56 1815 - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Mary Keyse Wife - Female 43 1828 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Henry Keyse Son - Male 18 1853 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Jane Keyse Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Charles Keyse Son - Male 9 1862 - Herefordshire, England<br />
Mary Ann Keyse Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>1881 Brookend Street, Ross<br />
James Keyse Head Married Male 63 1818 Gardener Gorsley, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Mary Keyse Wife Married Female 55 1826 ((shoemakers shopwoman)) Hampton Bishop, Herefordshire, England<br />
Jane Keyse Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Shoemakers shopwoman Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Charles Keyse Son Single Male 19 1862 Shoemaker fitter Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Mary A Keyse Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Dressmakers apprentice Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Hannah M Keyse Grand daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>1881 Mona Court, Kingstone, Hereford<br />
George Ackrill Head Married Male 62 1819 Retired chemist m.p.s. Worcestershire, England<br />
Hannah Ackrill Wife Married Female 69 1812 - Worcestershire, England<br />
Emma Sollars Servant Married Female 30 1851 Domestic servant Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
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1891 Alpine Terrace, Smallbrook Rd  Ross,<br />
Mary Keys Head Widow Female 64 1827 - Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Charles Keys Son Single Male 28 1863 Shoemaker cutter Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Hannah M Seller Niece Single Female 20 1871 Niece - Gloucestershire, England<br />
Charles J Blake Boarder Single Male 30 1861 Ironmonger Ross, Herefordshire, England</p>
<p>is this the same Hannah Maria / Matilda ?<br />
Deaths Jun 1959   (&gt;99%)<br />
SOLLARS  Hannah M  88  Eastbourne  5h 229</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again MP.</p>
<p>I printed off the 1881 census with Alfred Evans last night. It transpires that the address is &lt;5 minutes walk from where Sarah Anne Davi(e)s lived on the 1881 census, so it has all fallen into place.</p>
<p>Now to get the GWR records. They didn't prove that difficult for Henry my Gt. Grandfather, so hopefully I'll have success again.</p>
<p>Cheers for all the help.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1881 Census, Herefordshire, Ross</p>
<p>Brookend Street</p>
<p><br />
Alfred EVANS aged 21, is lodging with Frances MAPP and his family.  Alfred is a GWR Locomotive Fireman.</p>
<p>There are 'some' Alfred EVANS - Railway Records for an Alfred EVANS - working for the GWR - but have a look</p>
<p>Birth date on each is given as 27 October 1859, and places, Paddington, Newport, and Hereford.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, great stuff.</p>
<p>I'll check this all out, but I like the engine driver connection. One of Sarah Ann's younger brother's was Henry (my Great grandfather) and he was a footman/domestic servant in Marylebone on the 1891 census when he was just over 17 years of age. I often wondered what took him to London at such a young age, but presumably it was because his sister and brother-in-law were already living there.</p>
<p>Henry wasn't a footman for long because on 19.12.1891 (when he'd just turned 18), he changed jobs and started at Paddington Station working as a cleaner for GWR, and eventually becoming an engine driver and relocating to Bristol.</p>
<p>It looks like you've answered more than I asked for so very many thanks.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1911 Census, Middlesex, Willesden</p>
<p>21 Harley Road, Willesden N.W.</p>
<p>EVANS</p>
<p>Alfred - 51 - married 27 years - Engine Driveer G W Railway - born Hereford, Herefordshire<br />
Sarah - 48 - 3 children born alive 1 dead, born Ross, Herefordshire<br />
Gertrude - 23 - Milliner - born Hereford<br />
Alfred J - 12 - School, born Cardiff, Glam Wales.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Alfred is a Train Driver - he moves around</p>
<p>1901 Census</p>
<p>Glamorgan<br />
Llantrisant<br />
ALL<br />
District 03</p>
<p>Cowbridge Road</p>
<p>Alfred EVANS - 41 Railway Engine Driover, born Hereford St Martin<br />
Sarah A - 38  -born Hereford, Ross<br />
Sarah  E&gt; 16 born St Martins<br />
Alfred J P - 2 born Glamorgan, Cardiff</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ancestry</p>
<p>Sarah Ann DAVIES (father William Paul DAVIES)</p>
<p>Married 25 December 1883<br />
Saint Martin, Herefords, Hereford</p>
<p><br />
Alfred EVANS (father: John EVANS)</p>
<p>On later census returns.</p>
<p>1891 Census</p>
<p>Kensington, London, St Johns and St James</p>
<p>30 Adair Road</p>
<p>EVANS</p>
<p>Alfred - 31 - Railway Engine Drive born Herford St Martin<br />
Sarah - 28 - born Hereford Ross<br />
Sarah - 6 - born Ross<br />
Gertrude - 3 born Ross</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's a possible marriage</p>
<p>Name: <br />
Sarah Ann Davies<br />
Event Type: <br />
Marriage<br />
Event Place: <br />
Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Registration District: <br />
Ross<br />
County: <br />
Herefordshire<br />
Registration Quarter: <br />
Jul-Aug-Sep<br />
Registration Year: <br />
1893<br />
Volume: <br />
6A<br />
Affiliate Line Number: <br />
147<br />
Possible Spouse: <br />
Thomas Holmes</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a birth record that matches so I think you're correct.</p>
<p>Third quarter of 1862<br />
DAVIS  Sarah Ann   Ross  6a 417</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No baptism record. I've been working backwards and forwards from the marriage details of 1891 in Ross obtained from this site. I'm sure that is right based on the location (as the family are all there) and also the witnesses having the names of his brother and his mother. I did wonder whether their residences were mixed up as Alton Court (cottages) are where the Davies family lived.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, my bad, the 1871 census age ties in but the 1881 census doesn't. But maybe OK depending on exactly when she was born.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ages for Sarah in the 1871 and 1881 census would have her born 1863/64 so I'm questioning the baptism record for 1862. Do you have a birth record?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke to soon, it's another George and Matilda Davies on the 1911 census!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant Peter, progress made.</p>
<p>That certainly appears to be him, and from that I've now found him on the 1911 census in Peterstow, just outside of Ross where he is now with his wife Matilda and five children. </p>
<p>It's difficult to see the wood for the trees sometimes, what with the occasional name mis-spelling/mis-pronunciation, the varying dates of birth/baptism and various ages etc., but we've got there in the end.</p>
<p>Now to refocus on Sarah Ann Davies.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think George is in Abertillery in the the 1901 census. Listed as married but a boarder. Coal miner. Born in Ross. Age is correct.</p>
<p>If you have Ancestry access this is the link:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7815/images/MONRG13_4935_4937-0297?treeid=&amp;personid=&amp;hintid=&amp;queryId=45a2f2c9792560e7497ff20f43295cb5&amp;usePUB=true&amp;_phsrc=Uve8948&amp;_phstart=successSource&amp;usePUBJs=true&amp;_ga=2.77656916.1153900137.1611853181-1665990445.1539463069&amp;pId=31512190">https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7815/images/MONRG13_4935_4937-0297?t...</a></p>
<p>Otherwise Abertillery, district 19, page 63.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MP, <br />
I'll try and use this background information to help, but I'm still no nearer to tracking either Sarah Ann Davies or her brother George Davies after  1881.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Hannah Matilda - daughter of Emma KEYSE???</p>
<p>1861 Census Ross (Ancestry - has a mixture of surnames)</p>
<p>James REYER - 40<br />
Mary REYER - 31<br />
Emma KEYSE - 10<br />
Henry KEYSE - 8<br />
Jane KEYSE - 7</p>
<p><br />
Emma KEYSE - christened at Ross on Wye - 1 Mar 1851 - daughter of James &amp; Mary</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1881 Census,<br />
Herefordshire<br />
Ross<br />
District 3</p>
<p>Brookend Street</p>
<p>KEYSE</p>
<p>James - 63  Head, Gardener : born, Gloucester Gorsley<br />
Mary - wife - 55 - Shoemaker's Shopwoman - born , Hereford, Hampton Bishop<br />
Jane - daughter - unmarried - 21 - Shoemaker's Shopwoman - born Hereford, Ross<br />
Charles - son - 19 - Shoemaker Fitter - born Hereford Ross<br />
<strong>Hannah M KEYSE - grand-daughter - 11 - Scholar, born Gloucester</strong></p>
<p><br />
1891 Census<br />
Ross<br />
Allpire? Terrace</p>
<p>Charles KEYS - 28 - Shoemaker Cutter, born Ross, Herefordshire<br />
Mary KEYS - Head - Wid - 64 - born Hampton Bishop</p>
<p>Hannah M  Sollar ????  Niece - 20 - born Gloucester   ******</p>
<p><br />
There is a Public Members Tree on ancestry  - which gives her the daughter of Richard SOLLARS and Emma SOLLARS (nee KEYSE)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MP, but this one is proving difficult. </p>
<p>I also wonder now whether at the wedding of George and Matilda in 1891 their residences were described/transcribed the wrong way round? Alton Court in Ross was the Davis family home, so maybe it was Matilda who was from Cwmity Very Monmouth (whereever that may be).</p>
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