From what I can see, there were 3 children named James and 2 named Christopher. Evidently those names were important to them to pass on. Obviously, Christopher after father... wonder if James was the name for the father of Ruth??

Christopher Brain 1725/1799 is my 6 times Great Uncle. I have 13 children for Christopher Brain & Ruth, including 2 Christophers, the first Christopher 1755 being twin of James and (as you probably know) sadly they both died the same day.

I do have my James's son Christopher 1744 as married to Ann Jelfe.

I have plotted a number of the descendants of your Christopher Brain and have descendants for 6 of their 13 children. I think we can probably gain by sharing information and will email you using the link.

Jim Ashton

Thanks for the response. That was a bit of what I was thinking, trying to look at the names of the children as a clue. Looking at it that way, I had leaned towards Christopher Mutlow & Joan Glow (m 14 De 1676), whose daughter Joan was born in 1687.

Giles & Joan are also my husband's 6th great grandparents - next on to their son Christopher Brain. It seemed that from this union, the name Christopher became a regular Brain name, if you will. I think that your James - brother to my Christopher, had a son Christopher, as well. I guess, I had been thinking the name Mary was fairly common and Christopher not as much. I am not trying to dismiss your thoughts, just explaining mine as I went.

Again, I appreciate the response. As you said, a will may be the only way. That would be the next step to try and see if there was one for clarification.

Charlotte

It is difficult to be 100% certain when researching back this far, without some form of corrabatory evidence, such as a Will. In my version of events I have my 6 times great grandmother Joan Mutlow wife of Giles Brain as the daughter of Richard Mutlow & Mary.

Giles Brain & Joan had 9 children, including James Brain 1714/1766 who married Mary Goode 1716/1767, they had a daughter Mary 1738 who married my 4 times great grandfather Richard Marfell.

Jim Ashton

Yes, "tht" Joan/Jone Mutlow - wife of Giles Brain. I have seen two different parents for Joan Mutlow and was wondering if there had been specific reasons for the choices.
1. Richard and Mary - b.1691(their daughter was "Jane")

2. William and Joane - b. 1690

3. Christopher & Joan had a daughter Joan but she died young, so I have crossed them off my 'list.' . . . No I haven't... just went over my notes again, it was Phillip & Alice, whose daughter died young.

I went over & over the possibilities yesterday, marriages, spellings of the name Mutlow/Mutlowe/Mutloe, burials, etc. So far, I am leaning towards Joan Mutloe, daughter of William & Joane b. 6 July 1690.... and Joan Mutlo b 1687 daughter of Christopher & Joane.

Maybe it is something that cannot be said for sure. I was wondering what the 'train of thought' was on the possibilities. If it is too murky, I will not give parents to Joan, wife of Giles, at this time.

Charlotte

There seems to be two different threads of thought out there, as far as, the parents of Joan, Jone, Jane... Mutlow: Richard or Will (etc.)

Cany someone clarify this for me?? Has there been 'proof' as to which it is?

Thank you. This Website has been a blessing in my research!

Charlotte

More context please -I guessing it relates to :-

Year: 1714
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Giles
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of ye parish of Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MUTLOW
Brides_Forenames: Joan
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of ye parish of Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Old style date 1713/4
Register_Reference: AG68/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

several possible including :-
1683 MUTLOW Joane Baptism Longhope More detail
1686 MUTLO Joane Baptism Ruardean More detail
1687 MUTLO Joane Baptism Ruardean More detail
1690 MUTLOE Joane Baptism Walford More detail

Cany someone clarify this for me?? Has there been 'proof' as to which it is?

Thank you. This Website has been a blessing in my research!

Charlotte