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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the current free access to 1911 Census via Ancestry, can find Ida's parents alive and enjoying old age at New Millditch, Kings Caple, Nr Herefordshire.<br />
Samuel is a &quot;Coal salesman&quot;<br />
As well as Eliza also present are their sons,<br />
Henry Edward Mitchell aged 52, born Kings Caple, Herefordshire, England, a domestic gardener and single. <br />
Alfred John Mitchell aged 35, born Llanvair, Monmouthshire, Wales, a farm labourer and single.<br />
The fifth &amp; final member of the household is Grandson Thomas William Mitchell age 6, so born abt 1905. </p>
<p>I wonder if this is Ida's son (while she is currently working at the George Hotel, Ross) ?.<br />
Either way in this household it clearly wasn't considered essential for the children to marry.</p>
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<title>Samuel Mitchell marries Eliza Jones abt June 1855 Ross (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Full transcription for Ross District April/May/June 1855 Marriages Register From FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Marriages Jun 1855   (&gt;99%)<br />
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JONES  Eliza    Ross  6a 735    <br />
JONES  Elizabeth     Ross  6a 735    <br />
MITCHELL  Samuel     Ross  6a 735    <br />
WOODALL  Thomas     Ross  6a 735  </p>
<p>So no doubt Ida's parents were married long afore Ida was born in 1882.</p>
<p>Looks like the earlier mentioned LDS Cnristening showing her father as Thomas was a simple transcription error from this Register, especially as he also married an Elizabeth Jones ?</p>
<p><br />
I cannot search for Samuel's birth abt 1830 as before FreeBMDs records.<br />
Searching Samuel on LDS:</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1841,&quot;<br />
Name: Samuel Mitchel  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1841  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Age: 10  <br />
Birthplace: Gloucestershire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Cheltenham  <br />
Sub-district: Charlton Kings  <br />
Civil Parish: Cowley  <br />
County: Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
From GlosFHS Census 1851, not perfect match agewise but correct location, Coberley is 2 miles from Cowley:<br />
1964  1851 CENSUS HO107/1964 FF.0231 - 0249 ED.4A PAINSWICK                                                                          </p>
<p>Piece: 1964      Folio: 0240     Schedule: 060</p>
<p>Address: Vicarage Lane          </p>
<p>MITCHELL Samuel      HD M  49   Quarryman     GLS Cubberly [Coberley]          (c1802)<br />
MITCHELL Mary        WI M  44   Formerly a Weaver   GLS Painswick                    (c1807)<br />
MITCHELL Joseph      SO U  19   Quarryman       GLS Painswick                    (c1832)<br />
<strong> MITCHELL Samuel      SO U  16   Plough Boy       GLS Painswick                    (c1835)</strong><br />
MITCHELL William     SO U  14   Carter's Boy     GLS Painswick                    (c1837)<br />
MITCHELL Elizabeth   DA -   9   Scholar         GLS Painswick                    (c1842)<br />
MITCHELL Frederick   SO -   5   Scholar         GLS Painswick                    (c1846)<br />
MITCHELL Mary Ann    DA -   3   Scholar         GLS Painswick                    (c1848)<br />
TAYLOR Edward        LG -  30   Turner         LAN Liverpool                    (c1821)</p>
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&quot;England and Wales Census, 1861,&quot; <br />
Name: Samuel Mitchell  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1861  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Age: 30  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Head  <br />
Birthplace: Cowley, Gloucestershire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ludlow  <br />
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish:  <br />
Civil Parish: Leinthall Starkes  <br />
County: Shropshire  </p>
<p><br />
&quot;England and Wales Census, 1871,&quot; <br />
Name: Samuel Mitchell  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1871  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Age: 41  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Self  <br />
Birthplace: Cowley, Gloucestershire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ross  <br />
Sub-district: Sollershope  <br />
Event Parish: Sellack  <br />
County: Herefordshire  <br />
Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
Self  Samuel Mitchell  M 41 Cowley, Gloucestershire  <br />
Wife  Eliza Mitchell  F 35 Dunchurch, Herefordshire  <br />
Son  Henry E Mitchell  M 13 Kings Capll, Herefordshire  <br />
Son  William T Mitchell  M 10 Leinthall Starkes, Herefordshire  <br />
Daughter  Eliza A Mitchell  F 8 Leinthall Starkes, Herefordshire  <br />
Son  Edwin J Mitchell  M 4 Holmer, Herefordshire  <br />
Daughter  Louis Ann Mitchell  F 1 Sellack, Herefordshire</p>
<p>No christening record apparent, and Cowley is outside this FoD site's PRs coverage.</p>
<p><br />
Similarly searching Eliza she's at the above Census locations, plus:<br />
&quot;England and Wales Census, 1881,&quot; <br />
Name: Eliza Mitchell  <br />
Age: 45  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Birth Year: 1836  <br />
Birthplace: Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire, Wales  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife  <br />
Marital Condition: Married  <br />
Profession/Occupation:  <br />
Address: Gattertop Cottage  <br />
Census Place: Hope Under Dinmore, Herefordshire, Wales  <br />
Disability:  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Family History Library Film: 1341628  <br />
The National Archives Reference: RG11  <br />
Piece/Folio: 2606 / 104  <br />
Page Number: 14  <br />
Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
Head  Samuel Mitchell  M 47 Cowley, Gloucestershire, Wales  <br />
Wife  Eliza Mitchell  F 45 Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire, Wales  <br />
Daughter  Louisa Ann Mitchell  F 11 Sellack, Herefordshire, Wales  <br />
Daughter  Gertrude Edith Mitchell  F 8 Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales  <br />
Son  Alfred John Mitchell  M 5 Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales  <br />
Son  Ernest Arthur Mitchell  M 1 Leinthall Earls, Herefordshire, Wales</p>
<p><br />
But I cannot see much before her marriage/surname change as there's lots! of Herefordshire Christenings for Eliza Jones' born abt 1837.</p>
<p>However the following deserves comparison with Samuel's 1861 Census above, I wonder if this is our Eliza who was also born abt 1837, or a relation, despite the fact that Eliza became Mitchell before this Census. At least I suggest deserves a look at the full household when possible. </p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1861,&quot; <br />
Name: Elizabeth Jane Jones  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1861  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Age: 24  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter  <br />
Birthplace: Leintwardine, Herefordshire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ludlow  <br />
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish:  <br />
Civil Parish: Leintwardine  <br />
County: Shropshire</p>
<p>Similarly who's this ?</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1861,&quot; <br />
Name: Eliza Jones  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1861  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Age: 25  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger  <br />
Birthplace: Cardiff, Gloucestershire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ludlow  <br />
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish:  <br />
Civil Parish: Leintwardine  <br />
County: Shropshire  </p>
<p>Cardiff Glos is either an error wrt Cardiff Wales, or refers to Walton Cardiff which is a small parish south of Tewkesbury.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are</p>
<p>Actual photograph of birth certificate on Ancestry</p>
<p><br />
Wandsworth, 1882 - </p>
<p>District of Burghill : Hereford</p>
<p>when and where born: 23 July 1882 Breinton R.S.D. Hereford</p>
<p>Ida Alice Francoise Georgenia</p>
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girl</p>
<p>Father: Samuel MITCHELL - Gardener in a Nursery</p>
<p>Mother: Eliza MITCHELL, formerly JONES</p>
<p><br />
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<p><br />
1901 Census, Herefordshire, Kings Caple</p>
<p>MITCHEL</p>
<p>Samuel - 71 - Coal Salesman - born Cowley, Glous.<br />
Eliza - 64 - born Little Dewchurch, Her.<br />
Henry Edward - 43 - Gardeners' labourer, born Kings Caple<br />
Ida Alice - daughter - 19 - born Kings Caple</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings MPG !, hope you're all well ?</p>
<p>Please if possible can you lookup the place and date of the apparently similar Christening I noted above, my point 3 ?.<br />
Thanks.</p>
<p>UPDATE while trying to minimise post count,<br />
&quot;Thanks, should have realised you were already onto it !</p>
<p>Same person then, thought so, but some confusion over the father perhaps. But then again I see mum was a Jones and you know what we're sorry those are like...&quot;</p>
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<title>Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the 1911 census:</p>
<p>Ida A MITCHELL - age 28 - Single, Cook, born Hereford</p>
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<p><br />
?</p>
<p>Death on Ancestry :</p>
<p>Ida MITCHELL - c1883 - age 34</p>
<p>J/F/M Qtr 1917- </p>
<p>Gloucester</p>
<p>Gloucestershire</p>
<p>Volume: 6a</p>
<p>Page : 511</p>
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<title>Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah,<br />
sorry but cannot add much to Chris's post above, it seems she's rather an elusive lady!  As I'm sure Chris is/has, I've thoroughly searched FreeBMD (ALL Mitchells), GlosBMD, GlosNonConformists, this site FoDFH and LDS.</p>
<p>I've tried name variations, I guess Mitchell could vary?.</p>
<p>Sadly all I've found is what I think you know, </p>
<p>FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Births Sep 1882   (&gt;99%)<br />
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Mitchell  Ida Alice F G     Hereford  6a 489    </p>
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and from LDS:</p>
<p>&quot;England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; <br />
Name: Ida Alice Francoise Georgina Mitchel  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Baptism/Christening Date: 1882  <br />
Baptism/Christening Place: BREINTON, HEREFORD, ENGLAND  <br />
Birth Date:  <br />
Birthplace:  <br />
Death Date:  <br />
Name Note:  <br />
Race:  <br />
Father's Name: Thomas Mitchel  <br />
Father's Birthplace:  <br />
Father's Age:  <br />
Mother's Name: Eliza  <br />
Mother's Birthplace:  <br />
Mother's Age:  <br />
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13704-1  <br />
System Origin: England-VR  <br />
Source Film Number: 1041516  <br />
Reference Number: - 2:GHVQR6  </p>
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Cannot place her in 1891 Census ?</p>
<p><br />
England and Wales Census, 1901,&quot;<br />
Name: Ida Alice Mitchel  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Age: 19  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter  <br />
Birthplace: Kings Caple, Herefordshire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ross  <br />
Sub-district: Sollershope  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish: Kings Caple  <br />
Civil Parish: Kings Caple  <br />
County: Herefordshire  </p>
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&quot;England and Wales Census, 1911,&quot; <br />
Name: Ida A Mitchell  <br />
Event: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1911  <br />
Gender: Female  <br />
Age: 28  <br />
Birthplace: Hereford, Herefordshire  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Ross  <br />
Sub-district: Ross  <br />
Parish: Ross Urban  <br />
County: Herefordshire</p>
<p>[Update: using the current Free access to Ancestry I've just viewed this form, Ida is a cook at the George Hotel, Gloster Road, Ross On Wye.]</p>
<p>I don't have a subscription but using the free search of Ancestry gives the following clues;</p>
<p>1) an &quot;Ida Mitchell dies Gloucestershire in 1917&quot;, so, from FreeBMD:</p>
<p> Surname   Given Name   Age   District   Volume   Page   Transcriber   <br />
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Deaths Mar 1917 <br />
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Mitchell Ida 34 Gloucester 6a 511 PLabott </p>
<p>So if aged 34 in 1917 that gives birth abt 1883 !<br />
however unlikely as you believe she married so would have changed name...</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>2) an &quot;Alice Frances Mitchell dies Lancashire 1972&quot;, cannot find an age for her as no FreeBMD coverage.</p>
<p><br />
3) Ancestry shows a Christening for</p>
<p>&quot;Name:  Ida Alice Francoise Georgenia Mitchell <br />
Mother:  Eliza Mitchell <br />
Father:  Samuel Mitchell&quot;</p>
<p>Now it does not show me (no subs) a place or date, however I suspect there cannot be too many ladies with such a similar name. WHY does it show a different father than LDS above ?. Worth further digging methinks.</p>
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I hope this helps in some way, sorry no marriage tho !<br />
If you don't have Ancestry Subscription and no-one else helps later on this forum (unlikely) don't forget your local public Library has free Ancestry access, assuming you're in the UK of course.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one on Gloucestershire BMD Index??</p>
<p>JONES Thomas MITCHELL Ida Gloucester Gloucester St Luke the Less with St Stephen  1923 30 No 4 157</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereabouts of above lady, last known address 1911 census in Ross.  Believed to be married in Forest of Dean in 1913???<br />
Any help gratefully received.</p>
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