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<title>Henry John WILLIAMS b1874, mother Emily, Upleadon (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adrienne,<br />
First, I suggest you email Mirrim directly in case she doesn't see your forum post; if you click her blue username above, then it shows you she's not visited the forum for a few weeks, and this also allows you to send an email directly into her pc's Inbox which is best for exchanging personal confidential details etc rather than via this public forum.</p>
<p>From this FoD site's PRs:<br />
Could this be him I wonder ??<br />
(Found by use of Advance Search for Baptisms, just inputting forename &quot;Henry John&quot;, mother &quot;Emily&quot;, no surnames searched. This gave only ten hits for the whole database..)</p>
<p>Record ID 243912 <br />
Entry Number 416 <br />
Year 1874 <br />
Month [not stated] <br />
Day [not stated] <br />
Parents Surname WILLIAMS <br />
Child Forenames Henry John <br />
Fathers Forenames George <br />
Mothers Forenames Emily <br />
Mothers Surname RUCK <br />
Residence Upleadon <br />
Occupation [not stated] <br />
Officiating Minister Joseph White Curate <br />
Event Baptism <br />
Memoranda Son of <br />
Notes Born: Jul 26/74 Privately Baptized: Jul 26/74 Illegitimate No day or month given for received into the church. <br />
Register Reference P346 IN 1/6 <br />
Page Number 52 <br />
Parish Chapel Upleadon </p>
<p>Unusually I cannot see a corresponding Birth registered abt this time/location, either on FreeBMD or GlosBMD.....  given the vague dates, the Notes and the Names I do wonder if the above Baptism was subsequently officially registered as the Birth below ?  (I don't know (can anyone help please ?) but as far as I understand the Birth is registered by a parent after the event and could be done without the Registrar knowing if the surnames were &quot;confused&quot; ??)</p>
<p>From GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
MINCHIN Henry John MINCHIN MINCHIN WILLIAMS 1874 Gloucester Gloucester, Newent 17 45 </p>
<p>And FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Births Jun 1874   (&gt;99%)<br />
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Minchin  Henry John    Newent  6a 256    </p>
<p>Upleadon is but an hours walk from Newent.<br />
<a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Upleadon/Gaz1868.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Upleadon/Gaz1868.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.upleadon-village.co.uk/st-marys-church/">http://www.upleadon-village.co.uk/st-marys-church/</a></p>
<p>NOW I realise this FoD site carries the 1874 Marriage of George &amp; Emily, but thorough searching of the 1881 &amp; 1891 England &amp; Wales Census for this couple with son Henry John gives no results ?</p>
<p>Record ID 53968 <br />
Entry Number 48 <br />
Year 1874 <br />
Month Sep <br />
Day 24 <br />
Grooms Surname WILLIAMS <br />
Grooms Forenames George <br />
Grooms Age 30 <br />
Groom Condition Bachelor <br />
Grooms Occupation Labourer <br />
Grooms Residence Upleadon <br />
Grooms Fathers Surname Williams <br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames John <br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Brides Surname RUCK <br />
Brides Forenames Emily <br />
Brides Age 22 <br />
Brides Condition Spinster <br />
Brides Occupation [not stated] <br />
Brides Residence Upleadon <br />
Brides Fathers Surname Ruck <br />
Brides Fathers Forenames Robert <br />
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Licence or Banns Banns <br />
Date of Banns  <br />
Signature or Mark He marks She signs <br />
Witness 1 Charles Parry <br />
Witness 2 Lucy Painter <br />
Other Witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister Joseph White Curate <br />
Event Marriage <br />
Memoranda  <br />
Notes  <br />
Register Reference P346 IN 1/5 <br />
Page Number 24 <br />
Parish Chapel Upleadon </p>
<p>But where are they in subsequent Census ??.<br />
I've searched for Deaths of George Williams abt this time but there are several, a very common name indeed, so no proof there !</p>
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<p>Secondly, I've been searching the various free websites for your Henry John, you have my &quot;sympathies&quot; in this respect as it's clearly a very popular Minchin forename !  </p>
<p>I realise it may well not be your Henry but have you seen this record from LDS ?, I thought it a little different than the more obvious Census/BMD stuff, I know the second name's not mentioned but that's not unusual on early Army records:</p>
<p>United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913<br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
event: Pension  <br />
event year range: 1760-1913  <br />
event place: United Kingdom  <br />
birthplace: Gloucestershire  <br />
estimated birth year: 1874  </p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Of course it may well be the following Henry so not yours, but thought you may still be interested.</p>
<p>England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 22 Jun 1873  <br />
baptism/christening place: St. Mary-de-Lode's Church, Gloucester, Gloucester, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: William Minchin  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Mary Elizabeth  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: I02037-3  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 855618  <br />
reference number: 88  </p>
<p>England and Wales Census, 1881 <br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
age: 7  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
birth year: 1874  <br />
birthplace: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
relationship to head of household: Son  <br />
marital condition: Single  <br />
profession/occupation: Scholar  <br />
address: 159 Westgate St  <br />
census place: Gloucester St Mary-De-Grace, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
disability:  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
family history library film: 1341611  <br />
the national archives reference: RG11  <br />
piece/folio: 2533 / 42  <br />
page number: 41  <br />
Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
head  William Minchin  M 51 Blockley, Worcestershire, England  <br />
wife  Mary E Minchin  F 50 Longborough, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  William Minchin  M 16 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
daughter  Fanny Minchin  F 12 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  Etheridge Minchin  M 10 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  Henry Minchin  M 7 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
visitor  Julia M Cook  F 24 Bok Norton, Oxfordshire, England  <br />
assistant  Charles H T White  M 21 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England  <br />
assistant  Henry P Cummins  M 21 Manchester, Lancashire, England  <br />
servant  Louisa Cockyear  F 16 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
servant  Jane Boucher  F 14 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  </p>
<p>etc etc</p>
<p>Hope this all helps, good luck contacting Mirrim,<br />
Jeff.</p>
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<title>Minchin/Williams birth Cert (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,My great grandmother was Emily Minchin, maiden name Williams.Im just after finding my grandfather, Henry John Minchin's Birth Cert which was  registered in Newent in the Counties of Gloucester and Hereford 1874.She was probably too young to be married with a child, but thene again they married very young back then.I know nothing about my dad's family as he came to Ireland  with the 13th Hussars, he met my grandmother and spent the rest of his days here.Hope to hear from you soon.</p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Adrienne Minchin.</p>
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<title>John MINCHIN 1825 Dymock (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1841<br />
George Minchin abt 1791  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Minchin abt 1791  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Charley Minchin abt 1836  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
George Minchin abt 1822  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
Hannah Minchin abt 1827  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
 William Minchin abt 1833  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
John Minchin abt 1827  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1851<br />
 George Minchin  abt 1789  Staunton, Gloucestershire, England Head  Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Mary Minchin  abt 1789  Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Wife  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
George Minchin  abt 1822  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
 John Minchin abt 1825  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
Eliza Minchin abt 1826  Bredwardine, Herefordshire, England Wife  Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Thomas Minchin  abt 1819  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Lodger  Dymock  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
1861<br />
Johns Minchin  abt 1824  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  St Peter  Herefordshire  <br />
Emily Minchin  abt 1836  Herefordshire, England Wife  St Peter  Herefordshire</p>
<p>1871<br />
  John Minchin abt 1825  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  Newent  Gloucestershire  <br />
Emily Minchin abt 1835  Bullingham, Herefordshire, England Wife  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Emily Minchinabt 1862  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Daughter  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 George Minchin abt 1868  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Son  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Hannah Minchin abt 1865  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Daughter  Newent  Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1881<br />
John Minchin abt 1825 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  Breinton  Herefordshire  <br />
Emily Minchin  abt 1834 Bullingham, Hereford, England Wife  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Emily Minchin J abt 1862 St Peters, Hereford, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 George Minchin  abt 1868 St Peters, Hereford, England Son  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Henry J. Minchin  abt 1874 Oxenhall, Gloucestershire, England Son  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
Martha Minchin  abt 1878 Oxenhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Mary A. Minchin  abt 1872 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire</p>
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<title>Minchin/Williams birth Cert</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a Hereford Cert but may be of interest.<br />
I Have a Birth cert for Emily MINCHIN Sept 1861, Commercial Road, Hereford, reg dist Hereford and Dore.  Dau of John MINCHIN general lab, and Emily Minchin formerly WILLIAMS</p>
<p>This is not my Emily Minchin so please get in touch if you recognize this ancestor.</p>
<p>Mirrim.</p>
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