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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXCELLENT website, thanks MPG !<br />
(note I'm not a violent warmonger, just like big loud guns and men in uniforms...)</p>
<p>I think the 79th Foot were the illustrious Cameron Highlanders, a broad Forest dialect amongst them could be interesting (and no I don't like men in skirts !).</p>
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<title>William Harris  (Soldier) (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'I've never found a Soldier before) - re: John HARRIS, Soldier, 27 August 1816.</p>
<p><br />
Battle of Waterloo took place Sunday 15 June 1815</p>
<p>On Ancestry there is 'UK Waterloo Medal Roll 1815' - a number of John HARRIS, rank etc - but not residence/place of birth.</p>
<p>can recognise a FOD name that pops up from time to time.</p>
<p><br />
George GWILLIAM - 1st Battalion 79th Regiment of foot</p>
<p>and John GUILLEAM - Drummer, 28th Regiment of foot (later a Gloucestershire Regiment)</p>
<p><br />
Battle of Waterloo</p>
<p><br />
<a href="http://www.britishbattles.com/waterloo/waterloo-june-1815.htm">http://www.britishbattles.com/waterloo/waterloo-june-1815.htm</a></p>
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<title>Susannah WILKINS/WILLIAMS 1815 Arlingham (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gloucestershire Baptism CD - also says WILLIAMS!  - so may be the 'Clerk' wrote it down incorrectly</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an understandable transcription error !</p>
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<title>Susannah WILKINS/WILLIAMS 1815 + Daniel - Arlingham (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOD records</p>
<p><br />
Baptism at Arlingham 15 January 1815</p>
<p>Susanna WILLIAMS, parents Thomas (Shoemaker) &amp; Susanna</p>
<p><br />
Gloucestershire Baptism CD</p>
<p><br />
Arlingham St Mary</p>
<p><br />
Daniel WILKINS - 23 February 1823, Thomas (Shoemaker) &amp; Susanna  </p>
<p><br />
1851 Census, Arlingham<br />
Sea View</p>
<p>Daniel WILKINS - age 27 - Carpenter  - born Glos. Arlingham<br />
Sabina WILKINS - age 22 - born London</p>
<p><br />
FOD records  : Marriage at Drybrook - 27 September 1850</p>
<p>Daniel WILKINS - Bachelor, Carpenter - Popes Hill</p>
<p>father:  Thomas WILKINS, Shoemaker</p>
<p>married</p>
<p>Sabrina Jane FRYER - Spinster, Popes Hill<br />
Father: Daniel FRYER (Lians Fitre) Maker</p>
<p>by banns</p>
<p>witnesses: John WILKINS, Tabitha PARKER</p>
<p>Notes: Brides Father occ difficult to read</p>
<p><br />
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<p><br />
Betty FRYER born Arlingham, Widow 74 (retired Inn Keeper) + her children born in Middlesex St.Georges, are in Arlingham 1851 census.</p>
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<title>William HARRIS 1816 Flaxley ( &amp; Popes Hill) (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Year:1816<br />
Month:Sep<br />
Day:29<br />
Parents_Surname:HARRIS<br />
Child_Forenames:William<br />
Fathers_Forenames:William<br />
Mothers_Forenames:Susanna<br />
Mothers_Surname:<br />
Residence:Flaxley<br />
Occupation:Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister:Charles Crawley<br />
Event:Baptism<br />
Memoranda:s<br />
Notes:<br />
Register_Reference:P 145 IN 1/7<br />
Page_Number:6<br />
Parish_Chapel:Flaxley</p>
<p><br />
1841 Popes Hill<br />
William Harriss abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  Ag Lab<br />
 William Harriss abt 1817 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest,  Gloucestershire</p>
<p><br />
Year:1842<br />
Month:Aug<br />
Day:11<br />
Surname:HARRIS<br />
Forenames:William<br />
Residence:Popes Hill Hundred of Saint Briavels<br />
Age_at_death:62<br />
Officiating_Minister: T M Wetherell Curate<br />
Event:Burial<br />
Cause_of_death:<br />
Memoranda:<br />
Notes:<br />
Register_Reference:P354 IN 1/8<br />
Page_No:134<br />
Parish_Chapel:Westbury on Severn</p>
<p>Year: 1843 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Grooms_Residence: Eastern Division of Dean Forrest <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: WILKINS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Brides_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Westbury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wilkins <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Shoe Maker <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: Thomas Wilkins <br />
Witness_2: Sarah Wilkins <br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Thomas May.Wetherell <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 31 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn</p>
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<title>Susannah WILKINS 1815 Arlingham (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THOMAS WILKINS <br />
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Marriages: <br />
  Spouse:  SUSANNAH CANNOCK  <br />
  Marriage:  02 NOV 1800   Arlingham, Gloucester, England <br />
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Messages: <br />
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. <br />
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. <br />
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Source Information: <br />
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:  <br />
 M026571  1756 - 1812  0417107   Film  6911633   Film  <br />
 M026571  1813 - 1882  0856935   Film  NONE    <br />
 Sheet: 00 </p>
<p>Susanna Wilkins  <br />
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Event(s): <br />
 Birth:  About 1815   Arlingham, Gloucester, England <br />
 Christening:  15 JAN 1815   Arlingham, Gloucester, England <br />
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Parents: <br />
  Father:  Thomas Wilkins  <br />
  Mother:  Susanna Cannock     <br />
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Messages: <br />
 Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.  </p>
<p><br />
1841<br />
Susanna Wilkins abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire Servant to Surgeon</p>
<p>Year: 1843 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Grooms_Residence: Eastern Division of Dean Forrest <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: WILKINS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Brides_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Westbury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wilkins <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <span style="color:#f00;">Shoe Maker </span><br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: Thomas Wilkins <br />
Witness_2: Sarah Wilkins <br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Thomas May.Wetherell <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 31 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn </p>
<p><br />
&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt; Brother ?</p>
<p>1841<br />
Thomas Wilkin abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Arlingham, Gloucestershire  <span style="color:#f00;">Shoe M</span><br />
 Harriott Wilkin abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Arlingham, Gloucestershire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take James say, several possibles on PRs, sadly often secretive wrt parents name.</p>
<p>Maybe?:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 21666 <br />
Entry_Number: 273 <br />
Year: 1805 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 9 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Age:  <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation:  <br />
Grooms_Residence: otp [Westbury] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Surname: MARSHALL <br />
Brides_Forenames: Jane <br />
Brides_Age:  <br />
Brides_Condition: Widow <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: otp [Westbury] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: No 58 Oct 20th 2 <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark <br />
Witness_1: Mark of John Harris <br />
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Harris <br />
Other_Witnesses: Anthony Bennett <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 69 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex_Groom: H620 <br />
Soundex_Bride: M624</p>
<p>NB: no father's name given, but look who the witnesses are. </p>
<p><br />
We saw this couple earlier:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 21678 <br />
Entry_Number: 285 <br />
Year: 1807 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 24 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Age:  <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation:  <br />
Grooms_Residence: otp [Westbury] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Surname: TAYLOR <br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary <br />
Brides_Age:  <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: otp [Westbury] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:  <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:  <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: Edward Millard <br />
Witness_2: Lucy Taylor <br />
Other_Witnesses: William Coleman <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 72 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex_Groom: H620 <br />
Soundex_Bride: T460</p>
<p>Its all abt using the clues.<br />
Even if not &quot;ours&quot; still worth recording this line, it maybe relevant, and it reduces the &quot;possibles&quot; that we're trying to find &quot;our&quot; James from. </p>
<p>Record_ID: 82486 <br />
Entry_Number: 2671 <br />
Year: 1809 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 20 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: James <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence:  <br />
Occupation:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Son of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3 <br />
Page_Number: 86 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>(Another James !,   </p>
<p>and another to same parents !!)</p>
<p>Record_ID: 61348 <br />
Entry_Number: 79 <br />
Year: 1814 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 12 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: James <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Westbury <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Wetherill Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 10 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>Which suggests James 1809 died an infant ?.<br />
However no PR, unless MAYBE this one's date should be 1809, not 1804... could easily have been transcribed wrong ?, like the Vicar's surname for example.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 59537 <br />
Entry_Number: 1465 <br />
Year: 1804 <br />
Month: Mar <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Surname: HARRIS <br />
Forenames: James <br />
Residence:  <br />
Age_at_death: Infant <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes: Visitation <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3 <br />
Page_No: 145 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>There are NO other James Harris Baptisms just before 1804, so seems reasonable..</p>
<p>Guess they may have had a daughter, guess name Mary, search PRs:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 82397 <br />
Entry_Number: 2582 <br />
Year: 1808 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 3 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: Mary <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence:  <br />
Occupation:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Dau of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3 <br />
Page_Number: 83 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>As you can see, its far more fun than Suduki etc !</p>
<p>This could be her, perhaps explaining why I couldn't find her Marriage Record ?<br />
There are several other Mary Harris Burial Records but the ages don't tie up at all:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 46086 <br />
Entry_Number: 992 <br />
Year: 1841 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 5 <br />
Surname: HARRIS <br />
Forenames: Mary <br />
Residence: Westbury <br />
Age_at_death: 32 <br />
Officiating_Minister: T M Wetherell Curate <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/8 <br />
Page_No: 124 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>And now just plough thro all the other Westbury Harris's as I suggested earlier, and find the families. Fortunately now you're entering the era of Census returns data, a quicker way of discovering a family household, but not as much fun or info.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done ! Great for a beginner, particularly carrying a wound !<br />
I must say I thought Hyett was an unusual if not rare name, new to me and I've worked all round the uk, yet in fact I see 261 Hyett PRs in Westbury On S alone !, and thats not allowing for probably a fair few misspellings on top. Thats what I like about this subject, you learn so much about social life of the past, such as how particular surnames are often specific to an area. <br />
This site's great for that, as you can see Hyett is very much a Severnside name !<br />
<a href="http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=HYETT&amp;year=1881&amp;altyear=1998&amp;country=GB&amp;type=name">http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=HYETT&amp;year=1881&amp;altyear=1998&am...</a></p>
<p>Glad to also see t'other threads helping you out too re Robert Hyett etc. Never feel afraid to email members direct if they appear to be researching &quot;your&quot; lines, they may be distant relatives of yours, and will probably help you with more info if you get stuck, for example the usefull Census Returns which this site doesn't hold. (Re the email pls check your inbox.)</p>
<p>So from</p>
<p>Record_ID: 18948 <br />
Entry_Number: 62 <br />
Year: 1843 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Grooms_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Grooms_Residence: Eastern Division of Dean Forrest <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: WILKINS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Brides_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Westbury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wilkins <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Shoe Maker <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: Thomas Wilkins <br />
Witness_2: Sarah Wilkins <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Thomas May.Wetherell <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 31 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex_Groom: H620 <br />
Soundex_Bride: W425 </p>
<p>so Wm Harris born abt 1823 say, father Wm perhaps born 1805,same area probably. Thats the trouble when they just said &quot;full age&quot; ie &quot;adult&quot;, anything from 20 to 60!. Dont forget too the given ages on marriage &amp; burial records are often guestimates in ye olde days, perhaps with some years &quot;lost&quot; for personal reasons...<br />
Also note only bride's witnesses are recorded, unusual, so no clues re the grooms errant parents.</p>
<p><br />
My advice when searching is to not apply too many filters, yes this can help but it might cause you to miss things. Also by reading apparently unrelated PRs you may accidentally find other family members for future use. In this way I discovered six brothers &amp; sisters we never knew my grandmother had !. I suggest you methodically work thro each &amp; every possible PR for a given name, including spelling variations, within a likely time period, in this case say William Harris Baptisms, probably W-O-Severn, from 1780-1825?. In fact there are only 15 in total on the database, so easy to do all.</p>
<p>Sure enuff you get a likely:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 61925 <br />
Entry_Number: 654 <br />
Year: 1824 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 22 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: [base born] <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Westbury <br />
Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Officiating_Minister: Miles Coyle Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 82 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>I see your problem now re Father's &amp; Mother's full names !. <br />
That said its very common for the child to take the father's name so no real secrets here, this lad's father is quite probably a William Harris too, although not certain of course.<br />
I love these quaint old phrases, I have some &quot;b-b&quot; in my line too!</p>
<p>I see theres also these William Harris' in W-O-S. Got to be worth tracing their parentage, most certainly close relations.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 61490 <br />
Entry_Number: 220 <br />
Year: 1816 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 27 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: John <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Westbury <br />
Occupation: Soldier <br />
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Wetherill Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 28 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>(Wow, I've never found a soldier before, I think far more interesting than my line of colliers)<br />
Note how certain first names are very common(sorry, popular) such as fashionable &quot;Royal&quot; names like Elizabeth, William (my dad, his dad, his dad, my son, etc etc); often passed down from parent to children; not helpful to us though !</p>
<p>Or even perhaps:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 82581 <br />
Entry_Number: 2766 <br />
Year: 1811 <br />
Month: Jul <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence:  <br />
Occupation:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Son of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3 <br />
Page_Number: 89 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p>In such a situation look for other Harris's and try and build family groups, perhaps finding same witness's names will help, perhaps suggesting a hierarchy within a family or local group.  T'other PRs found may give additional relevant clues such as parents names etc. Also try to find the Burial Record for each parent, that may help gauge the likely age of their children, again helping you distinguish the different families.<br />
I suspect here James Harris &amp; John Harris are sons of another William Harris too.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks jegff.Yiou have obviously put in some work for me. That is very kind!<br />
I have been on this all day ( dislocated shoulder so not much else to do&gt; I have pprogressed the tree a bit, I have susannah harris;' parents ( william harris m susannah wilkins in 1843) but i can't be sure about his parents : john and elizabeth I think... and hers thomas and sarah wilkins but I cannot find ther marriages or possible dobs to corroborate this.<br />
On the other side I have trace Elizabeths' paretage right back ( i think0 to eward Hyett ( b 1706)!! but cant get any further than her husban John's parents thomas and Ann hayward as yet again i cannot corroborate facts by either date of marriage or possbible dobs.<br />
Any suggestions Hugely gratefully received.</p>
<p>Anyway thanks for your help and interest.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1851 Census, Glos East Dea<br />
Popes Hill</p>
<p>HARRIS</p>
<p>William - 35 - born Glos. Flaxley<br />
Susan - 35 - born Arlingham<br />
Susan - 7 - all born East Dean<br />
William - 6<br />
Thomas - 3<br />
John - 1 month</p>
<p>next door</p>
<p>HARRIS</p>
<p>John - 65 - Day labourer  - born East Dean<br />
Sarah - 58 - born Westbury<br />
Two unmarried Sons - both born East Dean</p>
<p>Thomas 35 and James 32</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes Juliette,<br />
just remembered the Golden Rule (which sadly I often forget).<br />
First search the Forum for similar names as the Tree may have already been researched; I've just realised the above findings have today been done by the everhelpfull Slowhands. Nice to see my guess of a second marriage was correct, even fools like me can learn (eventually).<br />
Ah well, hopefully my notes will help you to understand how to navigate the database, any more queries of course please ask, but preferably after you've searched for the answer yourself first - see FAQs at top of page. Its far more rewarding, fun and downright educational to do the research yourself, honest !</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juliette and welcome to this fantastic website, we're lucky to have such a great resource !</p>
<p>This sites has a huge database of fully searchable Parish Records which you can access free of charge 24/7. There are more free websites if you need them but none as good as this one, and none have the Forum etc etc. They can give additional info or just verify what you find, none are 100% perfect or complete. <br />
On this site just click on blue &quot;Parish Records&quot; button at top of page.</p>
<p>From this you can find the following; </p>
<p>Baptism (aka Birth) Record for Susannah Harris born abt (ie about)1844 gives:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 63334 <br />
Entry_Number: 462 <br />
Year: 1844 <br />
Month: May <br />
Day: 19 <br />
Parents_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Child_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: East Dean <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: T M Wetherell <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes: ditto <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/14 <br />
Page_Number: 58 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex: H620 </p>
<p><br />
Is this your Susannah ?. I guess yes as its a fairly unusual name on the database, there being &quot;only&quot; 30 sets of PRs (Parish Records) listed under that name, thats across Baptisms, Marriages and Burials.</p>
<p>So also from this site aka FoD PRs:</p>
<p>Marriage Record:<br />
Record_ID: 19371 <br />
Entry_Number: 485 <br />
Year: 1878 <br />
Month: May <br />
Day: 18 <br />
Grooms_Surname: HAYWARD <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Grooms_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Tailor <br />
Grooms_Residence: Abinghall <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hayward <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor <br />
Brides_Surname: HARRIS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Susannah <br />
Brides_Age: Of Full Age <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Westbury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Harris <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign <br />
Witness_1: William Harris <br />
Witness_2: Anna Beard <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Christopher Jay Jones Vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 243 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn <br />
Soundex_Groom: H630 <br />
Soundex_Bride: H620 </p>
<p><br />
You can tell this is correct PR by checking Father's name, Parish Chapel etc. Such info helps ensure we have the right Susannah, eg in this instance a Mary Susannah Harris also from Westbury on Severn was married just the previous year, but cannot be confused as different parents names etc.<br />
Also names of witnesses, usually family members or close friends, are often given, helping with further branches of the tree. <br />
The Marriage Record is often the most helpfull of the three BMD records because of this.</p>
<p>When searching her Burial Record don't forget(its easy) her surname has changed, now its Hayward. Luckily again there are only 19 PRs for this name on the site (for &quot;common&quot; people like my family of Jones there are often pages and pages to read).</p>
<p><br />
HOWEVER I cannot find her at this visit; even by just searching all the S Haywards/Heywords/etc (by ticking Soundex box) for all the Parishes, giving 141 possible Burial Records to check, I cannot see &quot;your&quot;s...yet!<br />
Maybe she remarried and changed surname, or maybe she's moved away so not on the database, etc. </p>
<p>Anyway hope this helps for a starter, I'm sure you can find some more information now.</p>
<p>Burial Record: ?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI no mary ann only had a half sister and half brother mary ann was called harris but her siblings were called brain marys mum married twice hope this is of some help</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your quick reply. i take it, there fore that you don't know if mary Ann had a sister born in 1844 called susannah?</p>
<p>Juliette</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI the mary ann harris born 1841 was my great grandmother her mother susanah was born 1822 ,Mary ann went on to marry William Brain born about 1840 Sussanah Harris was married to james harris when james died she remarried also to a william brain they went on to have jessie and margaret they were half brother and half sister to mary ann regards carol</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
I may well be barking up the wron tree but i am looking for inf on susanna Harris (born 1844)  and I wonder if she could be Mary Ann's sister<br />
Regards<br />
juliette</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for searching Chris. I would like to hear from anyone else who has connections to the Harris/Brain family.  I have posted a picture in the Photo gallery of Mary Ann Harris should you wish to view it.  Regards Jean Herbert</p>
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<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10131#p10206">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=10131#p10206</a><br />
Sent to us by Jean Herbert</p>
<p>Mary Ann Harris<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/drybrook/">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/drybrook/</a></p>
<p>She was born abt 1841 FOD. Her father was James Harris born abt 1815 Gloucestershire. <br />
Mary Ann's mother was Susannah born abt 1822 FOD (sorry, no maiden name).</p>
</blockquote><p>Hi Jean</p>
<p>I have found a &quot;maybe&quot; on FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Marriage March 1839 Ross-on-Wye James Harris &amp; Susannah Hayward 26 251</p>
<p>Baptism for Susannah Hayward Little Dean:</p>
<p>record_id 31943<br />
Entry No 307<br />
Year 1822<br />
Month May<br />
Day 5<br />
Parents Surname HAYWARD<br />
Child Forename Susannah<br />
Father's Forename John<br />
Mother's Forename Mary<br />
Place of Residence Little Dean<br />
Occupation Collier<br />
Officiating Minister R M Mainwaring Curate<br />
Event Baptism<br />
Register Ref P110 in 1/5<br />
Page 39<br />
Parish/Chapel Little Dean</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Chris</p>
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