Forest of Dean FHT Forum - ROBINSON/GUNTER/MARFELL

ROBINSON/GUNTER/MARFELL (reply)

shepway — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:26:50 +0000

Transcript of 1939 Register:
Marfell Household (6 People)
Euroclydon Drybrook , Ross and Whitchurch R.D., Herefordshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Norman R Robinson 07 Feb 1897 Male Company Secretary & Account Married 5 5
John Marfell 23 Dec 1871 Male Retired Farmer Married 5 1
Minnie M Marfell 09 Apr 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 5 2
Marie Castle 16 May 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 5 3
Barbara M Robinson 09 May 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 5 4
Martha Grigsby 17 Nov 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 5 7

Three others in the household but "Record Officially Closed". Most likely to be employees (e.g. Servant).

Mike

Philip ROBINSON + Morag HILLARY (reply)

MPGriffiths — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:16:13 +0000

???

Ancestry:

Marriage December Qtr 1957

Crosby, Lancashire

Philip R ROBINSON + Morag HILLARY

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West Yorkshire, Electoral Register 1959

Parish of Saddleworth Upper Ward

1248 ROBINSON Philip R
1249 ROBINSON Morag C

ROBINSON/GUNTER/MARFELL (reply)

MPGriffiths — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:01:00 +0000

Don't have access to 1939 Register - may be another contributor has

Ross, Herefordshire

Norman R ROBINSON - dob 1897
Barbara M ROBINSON - dob 1905
John MARFELL - dob 1871
3 more people who are officially closed

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:46:18 +0000

My main interest is the Marfell family and my only real interest in this thread is that Barbara May Marfell married Norman Roper Robinson. I knew that Norman was a widower when he married Barbara May Marfell but had no details of his former marriage. I have now added his first wife's name and death, so thank you for that information that I have added to my Family Tree as a connection.

I have no information about the child whose birth caused the death of Elizabeth Gunter but a quick check on Free BMD shows a David Robinson died in Cockermouth aged 0 in 1926. This could be the child, however the next obvious move a search of Robinson births in 1925/1926 reveals a Philip R Robinson born Cockermouth mother surname Gunter !!!!!

A mystery for you I think, but not alas any concern of mine. Good luck

Jim Ashton

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

MPGriffiths — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:31:26 +0000

For starters...

Birth Registration: April/May/June Qtr 1926 - Cockersmouth, Westmorland

ROBINSON : Mother's maiden name: GUNTER

Philip R ROBINSON

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Ancestry: Probate records: 1960

ROBINSON Norman Roper of Edgehill Stanger Street, Keswick, Cumberland
died 9 October 1960

Probate London 2 December to Barbara May ROBINSON, Widow - Effects: £6,035

(married Barbara May MARFELL - 19 March 1929 : Drybrook Holy Trinity)

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

obscurasky — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:31:52 +0000

I've come across the Name Norman Roper Robinson in my research too. He married Elizabeth May Gunter in 1925, but a year later she died in childbirth (in Keswick). Elizabeth is buried in Parkend churchyard and NRP's name is mentioned on the gravestone.

There's no mention of the baby on the gravestone and I don't know if it survived. I was wondering if you might?

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:07:32 +0000

Mark

I can tell you about Barbara May Robinson as she was a Marfell, I have the BMD records of all Marfell's after registration commenced in 1837. Barbara May was born 1905 Chepstow, baptised 11 Jun 1905 Lydney. Married Norman Roper Robinson, son of James Robinson born March qtr 1897 Ulverston 8e 826. They married on 19 March 1928 Forest Church, Drybrook. Norman was a widow on his maariage to Barbara. His father was deceased before 1928.

Barbara May Marfell was the daughter of John Marfell 1871/1942 and Minnie Maria Brain 1875/1959. She is the sister of Orlando John Marfell and Veronica Marfell mentioned in previous postings on this thread and is pictured on the photo also mentioned. Her brother Raymand James Marfell was one of the 3 witnesses at her marriage.

Barbara moved to Keswick in 1927 and ultimately became Mayor of that town. She died 4 July 1979 Cheltenham buried 9 Jul 1979 Cheltenham Cremation.

Barbara May Marfell would be my half 3rd cousin twice removed. Her father John Marfell was my half 2nd cousin 3 times removed, the half due to the fact that his direct line goes to his great grandfather John Marfell 1769, who was one of my Great Great Great Great Grandfathers - who married twice. Barbara May's mother Minnie Maria Brain was also related to me before her marriage, being my 5th cousin twice removed.

I have not heard from the contact I mentioned in my previous posting. If no news is received, I would suggest that a good home for the information you mentioned would be Terry Marfell, who is the point of contact for the One Name Study, for the Marfell family, he holds thousands of records for the Marfell Family, many of which he has shared with me. I can contact him and arrange for him to contact you direct if you wish.

Jim Ashton

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

mark78 — Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:29:19 +0000

many thanks for the reply jim.
i have tried a little research on the family but have now drawn a blank. i would like to try to get it back to the family as it is part of there history rather than it languishing in my draw at home its quite an interesting read and from what i can gather 103.171 acres were purchased quarry, farm land, scrub land, etc there is also another contact on the deed which was the original owners of the said land
barbara may robinson, the wife of norman roper robinson, keswick cumberland. but again have hit a brick wall . any ideas that may help would be most greatfull
regards mark

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

jimashton — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:37:48 +0000

Hi Mark

Orlando John Marfell was indeed a car (person) and is almost certainly the person concerned. Interesting that my reply was initially rejected due to the word XXXXman !!!!

I exchanged information regarding Orlando John Marfell and Marjorie (Maggie) Fanny Brain with a person in Atlanta Georgia. He too had the picture of the Marfell family on the back lawn of Euroclydon (posted on this web site), although he admitted not as good quality as mine !!

It was from him that I learned of the removal of Orlando John's remains from Cheltenham to the Brain Family Vault in the Forest Church Drybrook,to be with Maggie.

The contact is the son of Orlando's sister Veronica Marfell and Leonard Hide.

He would be a good point of contact that you are seeking.

I never disclose email addresses to others without their permission, so I will send an email to the 2005 address I have with a link to this posting. He may reply to me, in which case I will let you know or he may respond to this posting.

Jim Ashton

Orlanda John MARFELL - Probate (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:04:44 +0000

Ancestry

Probate Date: 4 April 1952

MARFELL Orlando John of West Lea Hildersley Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire

died 20 November 1951 at The General Hospital Cheltenham

Adminstratation Gloucester 4 April to Lloyds Bank Limited.

- His Wife, Majorie Fanny MARFELL (nee BRAIN, in previous thread - dob - 25 May 1908 - died in May 2004 - Cheltenham District age 96)

1911 Census - 30 Newerne St, Lydney, Glos

Living in 3 rooms

MARFELL

John - 40 - married 13 years - 6 children born alive, 6 living, House Painter, Builder, Employer, born Glos Dryrbook
Minnie - 34 - born Drybrook
Raymond James - son 11- born Stonhouse
Orlando John - 9 - born Stonehouse
Marie Thyrhena Fanny - 7 - born Lydney
Barbara May - 5 - born Lydney
Veronia - 2 - born Lydney
Monica - 2 - born Lydney

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

mark78 — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:19:35 +0000

hi jim just a quick couple of questions for you ive recently found an old property deed of orlando john marfell {motor trader}formally from silverstone cheltenham road and then euroclydon signed by the mayor of hope mansell dated 13th march 1938 would this be the same person mentioned in your listing ? i would like to try and get it back to the owners or family many thanks for reading this await hearing from you
kind regards mark

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:53:44 +0000

Hi Nick

My second reply today concerning the Matthews family.

As ever I have gained information from Slowhands replies. But can add to that ;

I have James Matthews 1840 Munsley & Elizabeth 1847 Linton in my Family Tree as their daughter Eva Annie Matthews 1878 married my 5th cousin twice removed Tom Brain 1878 on 6 Aug 1900 Ruardean. Tom Brain 1878 was the son of James Brain 1847 & Fanny Hatton 1850, married 10 Aug 1873. Interesting divertion to note that James Brain 1847 was the son of James Brain 1816 & Ann Matthews 1817.

Going back to James Brain 1847 & Fanny Hatton 1850, apart from Tom 1878 they had another 3 children including Minnie Maria Brain 1875 who married my half 2nd cousin 3 times removed John Marfell 1875, they had 6 children including Orlando John Marfell 1901 who married ..........Marjorie Fanny Brain 1908 - daughter of Tom Brain 1878 & Eva Annie Matthews, daughter of James Matthews 1840 & Elizabeth where we came in.

I have today sent off a picture of John Brain & Minnie Maria Marfell and their 6 children, taken on the back lawn of Euroclydon, a well known landmark house built by Thomas Bennett Brain, with a large tower, so that he could see if his Trafalgar Mine was in production.

I also have a small picture of Marjorie Fanny Brain, that I can email to you, if you wish, together with her marriage certificate to Orlando John Marfell. To do this, send me an email by clicking on to the envelope next to my name.

1881 Census
Dwelling: Drybrook
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341608 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2521 Folio 119 Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James BRAIN M 34 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Grocer & Draper
Fanny BRAIN M 31 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife
Ellen BRAIN 6 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Minnie BRAIN 5 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Tom BRAIN 3 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Emma BRAIN U 25 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Sister
Occ: Grocer ((Assistant)) Shop
Emma MEEK U 18 F Ryeford, Hereford, England
Rel: Servant
Occ: Servant Dom

1891 Census
RG12/2004/93/ 2
James Brain 43 Grocer Ruardean
Fanny 40 Drybrook
Frank ? Drybrook
+ 3 shopmen & a servant

1901 Census East Dean
James Brain 53 East Dean Grocer Shopkeeper
Fanny Brain 51 East Dean
Frank Brain 17 East Dean Assistant Grocer Shopkeeper
Lewis Organ 23 Assistant Grocer Shopkeeper Ruardean **
** Lewis married Ellen Selina Marfell in 1904

1901 Census East Dean
Tom Brain abt 1878 Drybrook, Head Grocers Asst
Eva Brain abt 1878 Ruardean, Wife

1901 Census Stonehouse
John Marfell 28 East Dean Painter Plumber & C
Minnie 24 East Dean
Raymond 2 Stonehouse

Memorial Stone (south) Also of Eva Annie, the beloved wife of Tom BRAIN who died May 7, 1912 aged 35 years. "Until the day break, and the shadows flee away" also their beloved daughter Minnie Maria MARFELL who died May28 1959 aged 82 years. "In God's keeping"

Jim Ashton

Ethel MATTHEWS nee SHERRED, 1883 -1951 (?) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 08:03:56 +0000

1911
MATTHEWS ERNEST M 1873 38 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS EILEEN F 1908 3 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS ELIZABETH F 1846 65 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS ETHEL F 1882 29 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS WILLIAM M 1872 39 Ross Herefordshire

1871 Littledean Lane End
Alfred Sherred 28
Francief Ann Sherred 26

1881
Alfred Sherred abt 1843 Ampney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Frances A. Sherred abt 1845 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Sherred abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Sherred. abt 1878 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean,

Year: 1883
Month: Mar
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: SHERED
Child_Forenames: Ethel Blanche Maud
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Frances Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: AE Hodgson Off{i}c[iatin]g Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1891
Alfred Sherred abt 1847 Smpiny, S Mary East Dean Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frances Sherred abt 1848 Michm Hampton,, Gloucestershire Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Sherred abt 1877 West Dean,, Gloucestershire Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ethel B Sherred abt 1882 West Dean,, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Sherred abt 1885 Newland,, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Sherred abt 1888 Newland,, Gloucestershire Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane S Sherred abt 1826 Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Mother-in-law East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Alfred Sherria abt 1845 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ethel Sherria abt 1882 Lanend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gerty Sherria abt 1885 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Sherria abt 1888 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Ethel B M Matthews
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1951
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 257

Ernest MATTHEWS 1873 -1947 , Hart House, Ruardean (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:41:25 +0000

1851
Thos Mathews abt 1796 Eggleton, Herefordshire, England Head Yarkhill, Herefordshire
Ann Mathews abt 1798 Ashperton, Herefordshire, England Wife Yarkhill, Herefordshire
Jane Mathews abt 1838 Farrington, Herefordshire, England Daughter Yarkhill, Herefordshire
James Mathews abt 1842 Munsley, Herefordshire, England Son Yarkhill, Herefordshire
Wm Mathews abt 1844 Munsley, Herefordshire, England Son Yarkhill, Herefordshire
Thos Mathews abt 1845 Aylton, Herefordshire, England Son Yarkhill, Herefordshire

1861 ??
James Matthews abt 1842 Mansley, Herefordshire, England Apprentice Upton Bishop, Herefordshire

1871
James Mathews abt 1841 Munsley, Herefordshire, England Head Ruardean, Herefordshire

Name: Ernest James Matthews
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 495

1881
James Mathews abt 1840 Munsley, Hereford, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Mathews abt 1847 Linton, Hereford, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Mathews abt 1872 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Mathews abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Eva Mathews abt 1877 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Frank Mathews Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Alexandra Taylor abt 1860 Ledbury, Hereford, England Servant Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Milta Redding abt 1868 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1891 Hart House
James Matthews abt 1842 Munsley, Herefordshire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Matthews abt 1847 Linton, Herefordshire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Matthews abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Frank Matthews abt 1881 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Eliza C Matthews abt 1883 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Walter Matthews abt 1884 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Charles Powell abt 1874 Stoke Tay, Shropshire, England Servant Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Mary Okeefe abt 1847 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1901
James Matthews abt 1847 Munslow, Herefordshire, England Head Ruardean, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Matthews abt 1851 Linton, Herefordshire, England Wife Ruardean, Herefordshire
William Matthews abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Earnest Matthews abt 1874 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Walter Matthews abt 1885 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Constance Matthews abt 1884 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Herefordshire
Mary Okeeffe abt 1851 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Herefordshire
Frank Mathews abt 1831 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire

possible marriage
MATTHEWS Ernest James
SHERRED Ethel Blanche Maude
Gloucester Fretherne St Mary the Virgin
1906 21 No 1 85

Name: Frances Eileen Matthews
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1908
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 473

1911
MATTHEWS ERNEST M 1873 38 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS ETHEL F 1882 29 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS EILEEN F 1908 3 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS ELIZABETH F 1846 65 Ross Herefordshire
MATTHEWS WILLIAM M 1872 39 Ross Herefordshire

Name: Ernest J Matthews
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 415

Matthews family butchers, Hart House, Ruardean

unknown — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:25:07 +0000

Would be very interested to hear from any listers with information on the Matthews family butchers of Ruardean. James Matthews + wife, Elizabeth moved to Ruardean around 1871/72. James is listed as butcher of Hart House in various directories. His sons, including my grandfather, Ernest Matthews took over the business around 1908 until about 1920 ish.
Thanks
Nick Beaton