Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD - has John WORGAN marrying Elizabeth POWELL both of the Hundred of St Briavels - 30 May 1811 at St Briavels.

Fod Records has

John MORGAN, Bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels

marrying

Elizabeth POWELL, Spinster, Hundred of St Briavels

by banns

Witness 1: Mary BALL

Other witnesses: the mark of John BALL and Sarah HULIN

again St Briavels

John BALL was a witness at the marriage of

Richard WORGAN - Bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels
to

Anne POWELL - Spinster, Hundred of St Briavels

6 June 1808

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There is a marriage at Newland - 2 December 1820

When Thomas WHITTINGTON, Bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels

married

Hannah JOHN (Widow) - Hundred of St Briavels

witnesses: John WORGAN, Rich(ard) MORGAN

I am trying to find a baptism/marriage record for John Worgan who is the father of Edward Worgan born 1811 in Whitecroft.
Thanks

Year: 1811
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: WORGAN
Child_Forenames: Edward
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breem
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Breem Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Newland

looks like he has a brother Nehamiah ?
1817 WORGAN Nehemis John Elizab[et]h Whitecroft Collier Bream

If I have correctly understood a recent steer from Slowhands,

Peter

Yes I was continuing to work on the original post - cross checking the hunch re WORKMAN - and remembering the poor state of some old registers its not too big a jump to suspect WorGan being transcribed as WorKMan or Morgan (!)

There are a number of Worgan family units in Clowerwall / Clearwell in this period

It will take some more work to possibly resolve this, but as you say its a steer

regards
S

Please, do you know from past experiences & research if Workman is considered a derivative of Worgan locally, or have you posted this largely(and quite understandably) as a name for possible lateral-thinking consideration ?.
Thanks.

For what it's worth (unlke many "similar" sites this one seems factually based):

"Last name: Worgan
Recorded in a number of forms including Worg, Worge, Wogan, Worgg, Worgan, Worgen and Worgin, this is a surname of Olde English pre 7th century origins. Although now quite rare in any spelling, it should be preserved as it is one of the few survivors of the ancient names of Britain from the very beginings of the written language. The origination is apparently from the word "gwg or gwgan". This has been translated literally as a frown or scowl, although it is difficult to imagine that such a meaning could possibly have applied fifteen hundred years or more ago. "Names" in those ancient times were given to children to try to ensure that they lived up to the parents wishes, and it is difficult to imagine that "scowl" was one of them! What is certain is that the name was prominent in the Cumbria region of England and this may well be the reason as to why it survived the Norman Conquest of 1066. It was at least a century before Norman rule became accepted in those areas, by which time its political influence had declined. Early examples of recordings include John Wogan of Cumberland in 1292, and in the surviving registers of the diocese of Greater London that of Ursula Worge, who married Richard Harryson at St Giles Cripplegate on July 10th 1595, Alice Worgan, who married Robert Marshon also at St Giles, on December 4th 1610, and Edward Worgin, christened at St Mary Creechurch, on May 6th 1668."

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/worgan#ixzz2W6h0py7A

I've used this site many times and the Worgan name is porbably the most interesting and oldest I've seen.

To me this seems different from

"Last name: Workman
This interesting name derives from the Olde English pre 7th Century "weorc" meaning "work", plus "mann", a man, and was a medieval job descriptive term for a skilled worker or artisan. The following quotation from "Promptorium Parvulorum" (Medieval Dictionary) reads "Werkemanne, thay an werk wyth both handys a lyke, - Ambidexter", suggesting that the term may originally have been applied as a nickname to an ambidextrous person. The surname is first recorded in the early 13th Century (see below). The forms le Werkman and le Worcman appear in 1236 and 1273 respectively. In 1307, one Nicholas Workman is recorded in the Close Rolls of Oxfordshire. On October 23rd 1624, the marriage of Margaret Workman and Robert Matthews was entered in the Register of Bath Abbey Somerset. One Alice Workeman married Francis Jackson at St. Dunstan's Church, Stepney, on August 1st 1627, while Daniel Workeman, son of John and Martha Workeman, was christened on October 8th 1650, at St. Botolph without Aldergate, London. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Adwordus Wercman, which was dated 1214, in the "Cartulary of the Priory of St. Gregory, Kent", during the reign of King John, known as "Lackland", 1199 - 1216. "

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/workman#ixzz2W6hF4Tc4

I find the whole subject of surname history very interesting so would appreciate any thoughts, please ?.

Im looking to find any info regarding the birth/baptism of Anthony Worgan b. Circa 1660's. He lived in English Bicknor & possibly had a son named John b. 1691 in English Bicknor.
Thanks.

I wonder if WORKMAN has been mis transcribed either in the registers or at a later date; and we know that these Newland PR's were in a poor state. The Newland WORKMANs tend to be in the 1650 - 1700 period ????

certainly Elinor is used by later WORGAN's its just a hunch at this stage

An Anthony WORKMAN death
Year: 1704
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Surname: WORKMAN
Forenames: Anthony
Residence: [damaged]
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs Old style year 1703/04
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_No: 89
Parish_Chapel: Newland

We have an Elininor WORGAN death in Clearwell

Year: 1696
Month: Jan
Day: 31
Surname: WORGAN
Forenames: Elinor
Residence: Clowerwall
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs old style date 1695/6
Register_Reference: GDR/V1/166
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1661
Month: Aug
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: WORKMAN
Child_Forenames: Anthony
Fathers_Forenames: Anthony
Mothers_Forenames: Elinor
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/1
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1659
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: WORKMAN
Grooms_Forenames: Anthony
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WORKMAN
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Ellinor
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: dau of Margaret
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Old style date 1658/59
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/1
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newland

We have an Anthony WORGAN in the Whitecliff / Coleford area
Year: 1637
Month: Feb
Day: 27
Surname: WORGAN
Forenames: Anthony
Residence: of Whitecleeve
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Old style date 1636/37
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/1
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Newland

and we have an Anthony WORGAN in the Clearwell area
Year: 1627
Month: Dec
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: WORGAN
Child_Forenames: Anthony
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames:
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: of Clowerwall
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/1
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Im looking to find any info regarding the birth/baptism of Anthony Worgan b. Circa 1660's. He lived in English Bicknor & possibly had a son named John b. 1691 in English Bicknor.
Thanks.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=36445

Year: 1691
Month: Oct
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: WORGAN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: Anthony
Mothers_Forenames: Allce
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: GDR V1/34
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1674
Month: Nov
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: WORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: Anthony
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Bicknor
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Alice
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Longhope
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs. Abbreviated surname has been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Will of Anthony WORGAN 1694 has been transcribed and is in the Will section of this website, along with other WORGAN Will's including the Will of Richard WORGAN, English Bicknor, 1668 - who mentions sons Richard & Anthony.

www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?&id=33650

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If you search Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608 for WORGAN, this will show you where males fit to fight were resident.

www.coaley.net/glos/inex.php

John Worgan of Bream, married (1) Prudence, (who was buried 10 January 1725/6 Lydney). They had 2 children, Margaret bap 21 July 1720 Newland & Richard bap 20 Sept 1724 Lydney.
The above John left a WILL - dated 27 August 1747 & proved 20 May 1748
Gloucester Record Office Ref: 1748/76.
He mentions his children, Margaret & Richard & also his wife Jane. The former could be his second wife who was buried 28 Dec 1767 at Newland. BT's state surname as MORGAN, but this is the trouble with this surname, W & M are difficult to decipher in the old handwriting.

John Worgan of Yorkley, married Prudence & had William bap 1st July 1750 Lydney, would seem to me to be of the next generation.
There is also a Richard Worgan & Prudence, having a child Prudence bap 10 Feb 1751/2 at Bream. Could there be a transcription error with the Christian names of the above John & Richard? Are they one & the same?

hi, looking for any info/dates/records of John Worgan b. abt 1700 poss in newland area. His wife was named Prudence and their children were Margaret Worgan b.1720, Richard Worgan b.1724 & William Worgan b.1750.
Thanks.

Year 1725
Month Jan
Day 10
Surname WORGAN
Forenames Prudence
Residence
Age at death
Officiating Minister Tho: Gwillim Vic[ar]
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda wife of John
Notes Old style date 1724/25
Register Reference P209 IN 1/1
Page No 95
Parish Chapel Lydney

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a possible

Year: 1691
Month: Oct
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: WORGAN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: Anthony
Mothers_Forenames: Allce
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: GDR V1/34
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1674
Month: Nov
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: WORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: Anthony
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Bicknor
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Alice
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Longhope
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs. Abbreviated surname has been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Newland