Forest of Dean FHT Forum - George DREW, Littledean 1803 Prior thread

George DREW, Littledean 1803 Prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:32 +0000

Prior Thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=37033

George DREW/Susannah DENTON + previous thread (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 May 2012 19:11:21 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=258

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As, we could possibly be on the 'correct track' (hopefully)

FOD records - Marriage at Newland - 19 October 1790

George DREW married Susannah DENTON

witnesses: John DAVIS and Susannah BOND

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FOD records

Burials at Littledean

George DREW - 18 December 1833 age 68 = c1765 ****
Susanna DREW - 15 September 1839 age 75 = c1764
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FOD records - Baptism at Littledean - 25 December 1766

George DREW, parents James & Alice
notes: Mother is Elizabeth in BT's.

At least 2 possible siblings with same parents born at Littledean

James 1752, William 1775

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FOD records

Baptism at Awre - 18 March 1770

Susannah DENTON
father's Forename: Hathaway
mother's Forename: Mary

Notes: Blakeney Chapel

siblings:

Awre

Richard Hathaway HATHAWAY - 1782
Pelsther - 1779
Phebe - 1777

Newnham

Mary - 1767
Ann - 1773

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Burial at Awre - 7 May - 1806 - Denton HATHAWAY (died May 4) - age 69 = 1737

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Church of Latter Day Saints

Birth at Minchinhampton 12 September 1736 - Denton HATHAWAY - parents John & Mary

and marriage at Berkeley, Glos.

Denton HATHAWAY - to Mary MANN - 21 November 1756.

DREW, George (Nephew George DREW, born Stroud) (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 May 2012 17:34:24 +0000

? would it be possible for the children of George & Susan/Susannah DREW of Littledean + an Alice born to this couple at Newnham in 1791 be the parents of your George....

Looking at the baptism records for this couple in Littledean - they had two John DREW's born - one in 1802 and 1805 - (can't see a burial in between for a John DREW)

Normally, the father's name would be passed on through the generation - and wonder whether one of these John's was called George by the family - as your Charles Alfred DREW, was known as Alfred, and have come across this before, where a child was baptised by one name, but known by another, or name incorrectly written down in the register.....

Newnham: 1791 - Alice

Littledean

Mary - 1792
Sarah - 1794
Sophia - 1797
Hester - 1799
John - 1802
John - 1805
Charlotte - 1808

Also, there is a clue on the 1861 census

DREW

George - 56 (John his possible brother is age 58 = 1803 on the 1861 census, Gloucester & age 47 1851 = 1804
Mary - 54
Lucy - 25
William - 19
Thomas - 14
John - 11
Alfred - 9
Edgar Ernest - 11 months
George DREW - age 19 - Nephew, born Stroud, Gloucestershire ****

----1851 Census, Minchinhampton

Wallsquarry

DREW

John - Head - 47 - Nailer, born Littledean (on the 1861/1871 census, age 58 & 68 - but on his own in Gloucester - Nailer)
Matilda - 48? Woollen Cloth Spinner, born Glos.Painswick (Matilda is on her own in Stroud, 1861 census)
William - 18 - Boatman - born Stroud
John - 15 - working on the water, born Stroud
George - 12 - Button maker born Stroud
Margram - 6 - Scholar, born Minchinhampton (Mary Ann?)

1841 Census, Stroud (Hundred of Bisley)
Brown Hill

DREW

John - 35 - Nail Maker
Matilda - 35
William - 10
John - 6
George - 1 c1840

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index

John DREW married Matilda BEARD - 30 November 1828 - Stroud

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possible back in Stroud on the 1871 Census, Stroud, Church Hill

George DREW - 30 - Labourer, born Glos. Bisley
Mary - 27 - born Stroud
Matilda - 2
Ellen - 7 months

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DREW/HOLMS Lydney (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 May 2012 11:38:39 +0000

The parents of George in 1803 at Alvington : were James & Mary DREW....

The children of James & Mary DREW start at Alvington in 1791....

There are 3 baptisms of children of a * James & Mary DREW at Lydney - (which I think is Littledean) could be the same couple....

William DREW 2 Oct 1785 (2 family names of George DREW)
James DREW 16 Sept 1787
Thomas DREW 9 Aug 1789 *

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The Church of Latter Day Saints have a marriage at Lydney - 7 October 1784, James DREW and Mary HOLMS - can't see this on FOD records. However, this is on Public Members Tree on Ancestry - and as regards James DREW's death on the 3 March 1838 at Alvington - this is quoted....

'James died of old age, at about 6 o'clock in the morning, the death certificate is very explict, Son, Somerset DREW, a Labourer of Aylburton was in attendance during his last illness. Maybe his wife Mary had gone before him'

Looking at this Public Members Tree, this will probably discount George DREW 1803 Alvington as your line - .....

George and his wife Elizabeth - (no record of marriage found) - had 3 children: John, 1827, George 1829, and William 1837 - and are on the 1841/1851/1861/1871 census Tidenham. George DREW died 30 October 1872 at Rosemary Lane, Tidenham, from Heart Disease and Dropsy.

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1851 Census, Glos. Tidenham

DREW

George - 50 - born Alvington
Elizabeth - 54 - born Tidenham
John - 24
William - 14

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Burial at Alvington of a James DREW - 6 March 1838 age 78 c1760 (so would have probably married around 1780+)

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and gave you previously the marriage at Lydney - 31 December 1813

Thomas DREW, Batchelor, residence Alvington

married Harriet HARRIS - Spinster, of this Parish

by licence

witnesses: Wm HARRIS and mark of Mary HARRIS

with consent of parents

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this could be the link between Alvington and Lydney
and had two children christened at Lydney: Ann - 24 February 1836, and William - 15 May 1842 (residence Aylburton)

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DREW (Non-Conformists) (reply)

unknown — Fri, 18 May 2012 23:29:20 +0000

Thank you for all this. I've been checking both the FOD records and the Gloucestershire archive today and can tie in some of the above. The thing that still worries me though, is whether I've got the right birth record for George Drew (b.1803). I'm hampered by lack of local knowledge.

Why would a couple who lived in Littledean choose to have their child baptised in Alvington? Surely there was a nonconformist church closer to Littledean in 1803? Do you have any local knowledge?

So I'm still not convinced this is my George, even though I can't find another one that fits.
Possible Baptism
Though note this is Alvington, not Littledean
Record_ID: 391439
Entry_Number: 19
Year: 1803
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: DREWE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: T Lewis BA Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: D600

Cheers

Jacey

DREW (Non-Conformists) (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 18 May 2012 07:05:13 +0000

'I've found this one.... George DREWE, 22 May 1803 - Alvington, parents James & Mary'

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Using the Advance Search : Baptisms at Alvington (try to form possible family groups, and try and find their records i.e. census and possible family names e.g. Charles etc. )

James & Mary DREW also had

John - 1791
Somerset - 1793
Mary - 1797
Elizabeth - 1801
Charles - 1805

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Thomas & Harriet DREW (nee HARRIS) : Baptisms at Alvington **** FOD records - Marriage at Lydney 31 December 1813 - with consent of parents

Mary - 1815
Elizabeth - 1817
George - 1819

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Charles & Mary DREW : Baptisms at Alvington

Eliza - 1832
Elizabeth - 1834

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The middle name 'Wesley' seems to be because they were non-conformists.

Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database (Non-conformist)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

George son of George & Mary F CROSS, February 1831, at Newent, Culver Street, Chapel Methodist - with notes (Mary daughter of Thomas & Lucy CROSS)

Amelia - June 10 1832 - same parents etc and Newent, Culver Street,

Mary - 2 November 1834 - same parents - Parish Littledean

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Looking at Public Members Tree, the CROSS side i.e. Thomas CROSS marrying Lucy SMITH 2 December 1792 Cirencester, is well documented.

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(Is this a non-conformist 'brother/cousin' ???)

William & Pheby DREW - had children baptised at Soudley Chapel - 1848/1850

FOD records - have a marriage for a William DREW marrying a Phebe COOPER 23 May 1831 - at Awre - witnesses James NELMES and Charles FENNELL (with consent of parents)

1851 Census, East Dean

DREW

William - 44 - born East Dean
Phoebe - born Newnham
Caroline - 19
Elizabeth - 17
John - 15
Joseph - 13
George - 11
Mary - 9
Ann - 6
Harriet - 4
William - 2
James - 1

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Baptism at Awre - 3 January 1808

William DREW - parents William & Elizabeth nee (Waite) Spinster

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FOD records - marriage at Newland

William DREW, Batchelor, Hundred of St St Briavels

married

Elizabeth WAITE - 16 September 1798 - witnesses James TINGLE, Thos. BOND

DREW, George b. Little Dean 1803 (reply)

unknown — Thu, 17 May 2012 23:11:14 +0000

Thanks m p griffiths.
I hadn't spotted the nonconfornmist baptisms of the later children. Thanks for that.

Could you find anything for George Drew the father, 1803?

According to the census returns George Drew and Mary Cross' children were:
Mary Anna Drew, 1828
George Drew, 1831
Lucy Sarah Drew, 1835
Henry Drew, 1837
Elizabeth Drew, 1840
William Cross Drew, 1842
Thomas Drew 1847
John Drew 1850
Charles Alfred Drew (known as Alfred), 1852 (My gggrandfather)

Of course census dates can be + or - 1 year depending on the date of birth and the date of the census

I can't find a baptism record for George the son (1837) but Mary Anna, Lucy and Henry were all baptised in Little Dean - presumably at the parish church.
source film number: 91530. I haven't found Elizabeth or William's baptosm yet, but - yes - Thoms and John were baptised at the WEesleyan church in Coleford - six miles there and six miles back again through the forest. They must have been pretty determined nonconformists by that time.

And then by 1852, Charles Alfred is baptised at the independent church in Little Dean. Do we know what date that opened for business?

Record_ID: 1055633
Entry_Number: 54
Year: 1852
Month: Sep
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Charles Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: CalamoreLittle DeanGlos
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: B. Jenkyn
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born April 21st 1852
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6514 1/1
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Littledean Independent
Soundex: D600

Fascinating stuff, but I'm still no nearer to finding George Drew b. 1803, Little Dean.

Cheers

Jacey

DREW, George b. Little Dean 1803 (reply)

unknown — Thu, 17 May 2012 21:38:28 +0000

I managed to post this without all the full information. Here's wat I meant to post:

I need some local knowledge to figure out this one. All help gratefully received.

I'm trying to find a baptism record for George Drew. He was born in (approx.) 1803 in Little Dean according to all the census records from 1851 - 1871. Can anyone help please?

I've found this one, but he seems to have been baptised at Alvington not Little Dean. Is that likely? I know there was a parish church at Little Dean when George's children were baptised, ut how about in 1803? Was there a parish church at Little Dean then or was it built after the Napoleonic wars in the rash of church-building that took place?

Possible Baptism
Record_ID: 391439
Entry_Number: 19
Year: 1803
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: DREWE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: T Lewis BA Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: D600
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He married Mary Cross in Abenhall in 1828 and from the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census returns their 9 children were all born in Little Dean between 1828 and 1852
MARRIAGE
Record_ID: 123
Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1828,
Month:Apr, Day 27
Grooms_Surname: DREW
Grooms_Forenames: George
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Briavils
Brides_Surname: CROSS -
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Licence_or_Banns: Banns Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Barnett Witness_2: Ann Dobbs
Officiating_Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Friends
Notes: Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
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His first child was baptised at Little Dean.
name: Mary Anna Drew
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 04 Jan 1829
baptism/christening place: LITTLE DEAN,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: George Drew
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C02996-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 91530

Thanks

Jacey

DREW, George b. Little Dean 1803 (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 17 May 2012 21:34:03 +0000

Looking at GloucestershireBDM - DREW - mother's maiden name CROSS

two of their children carry the middle name of WESLEY !!!

Thomas Wesley DREW - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn
John Wesley DREW - 1850 - ditto

and

William CROSS DREW - 1842 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn

DREW, George b. Little Dean 1803

unknown — Thu, 17 May 2012 21:14:57 +0000

I'm trying to discover a baptism record for George Drew. He was born in 1803 Little Dean according to all the census records from 1851 - 1871.

He married Mary Cross in Abenhall in 1828
MARRIAGE
Record_ID: 123 Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1828, Month:Apr, Day 27
Grooms_Surname: DREW - Grooms_Forenames: George
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Residence:Hund[re]d of St. Briavils
Brides_Surname: CROSS - Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Licence_or_Banns: Banns Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Joseph Barnett Witness_2: Ann Dobbs
Officiating_Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Friends
Notes: Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall