Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Frances ORMOND Buried in Lydney (Widow Commander RN)

Frances ORMOND Buried in Lydney (Widow Commander RN) (reply)

mjluscombe — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:27:31 +0000

Thanks for your ideas. I have replied to you all under "Bertha's" message
Maggie

James ORMOND 1883 Forest of Dean (reply)

mjluscombe — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:26:56 +0000

Thanks for your ideas. I have replied to you all under "Bertha's" message
Maggie

ORMONDS in the Forest of Dean (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:18:34 +0000

The military link and Tenby / Pembroke area seems quite strong for both of these Forest related ( if only a touch) family branches ...

ORMONDS in the Forest of Dean (reply)

mjluscombe — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:23:06 +0000

Thanks all of you who have replied.All thoughts are very welcome. My mother is 87 and her brother 90. Both would love to know about their father who left his second family destitute in 1928 and who died in 1945.
I sent for both the wedding certs(Ethel Catherall and Margaret Jane Day.) The first one says his Father was Frank Sinclair Ormond a Barrister!! I don't think he would have falsified his name on his first marriage.
On the second marriage(no divorce) he said his father was Frank Gay Ormond an Electrician.The witnesses for both marriages were all relatives of the bride.
I have many birth certs for "possibles" on Frank and possible parent marriages. A Frank Maurice Ormond was born in 1873 and died aged 13 in London.So definitely not him.
I have my thoughts on Frank's parents. A Francis Ormond(Gent - was born in Scotland in 1818 - possible link with Sinclair - and married his second wife in 1885 in London). He was a philanthropist who travelled around England and other parts of the world. He was said to have no children or did he?. A Francis Ormond was married to Frances(died in Swansea district and buried in Lydney 1879) His daughter Caroline(Slowhands mentions her) was in Cheltenham at the time of Frank's birth. She wasn't married but did so in 1879 (when Frank said his parents died and he was "fostered by the "Gay" family) Was he an illegitimate son of Caroline? I have contacted the family in New Zealand but they don't seem to know anything. My mother says he was "well brought up"
The Ystradyfodwyg connection is also a possibility as he went there to manage a cinema in 1913 He met and married my grandmother who lived in Tylorstown.Did he go there to visit relatives? I wish I knew!!
I was interested in the Chipping Norton idea. Perhaps the 1901 census should read this. I will look at the baptisms for there. I have looked at all those from Cheltenham with no luck. I look forward to the 1911 census!
Thank you everybody

Frances ORMOND Buried in Lydney (Widow Commander RN) (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:15:59 +0000

1841
Francis Ormond abt 1801 St Andrew, Devon
Adelaide Ormond abt 1826 St Andrew, Devon
Caroline Ormond abt 1838 Devon, England St Andrew, Devon
Fanny Ormond abt 1801 St Andrew, Devon
John Ormond abt 1831 St Andrew, Devon

1851
James Armand abt 1801 Wortyn, Berkshire, England Head Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Commander Royal Navy
Francis Armand abt 1796 Willingford, Berkshire, England Wife Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon
Caroline Armand abt 1838 Kingsbridge, Devon, England Daughter Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon
Frederick Armand abt 1830 Tenby, Wales Son Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon

1861 living at "Dean House " Spelsbury
Frances Ormond abt 1797 Wallingford, Berkshire, England Mother-in-law Spelsbury, Oxfordshire
Caroline A Ormond abt 1838 Kingsbridge, Devon, England Sister-in-law Spelsbury, Oxfordshire

DEAN, a hamlet, in the parish of Spelsbury, union of Chipping-Norton, hundred of Chadlington, county of Oxford, 3Â¾ miles (S. E. by S.) from Chipping-Norton; containing 141 inhabitants.

From: 'Datchworth - Dean, West', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 15-23. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50915. Date accessed: 03 February 2008.

Kelly's Directory of Oxfordshire describes Spelsbury as "A village on the Evenlode with the hamlets of Dean, Ditchley, Fulwell and Taston forming a parish in the Banbury division of the county, hundred and petty sessional division of Chadlington, rural district, county court district and rural deanery of Chipping Norton, arch-deaconry and diocese of Oxford. Spelsbury village is about 1 1/2 miles north from Charlbury Station, on the Oxford and Worcester section of the railway, 5 miles south east from Chipping Norton and about 17 miles north west by road from Oxford."

1871
Frances Crmond abt 1796 Wallingford, Berkshire, England Head Clifton, Gloucestershire
Caroline A Crmond abt 1838 Kingsbridge, Devon, England Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Constance James abt 1842 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Clifton, Gloucestershire

Name: Caroline Agnes Ormond
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 689

Name: Frances Ormond
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 81
District: Swansea
County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 448

Year 1879
Month Feb
Day 18
Surname ORMOND
Forename(s) Frances
Place of Residence Swansea
Age at death 81
Officiating Minister John J.Trollope
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P209 IN 1/12
Page No 184
Parish_Chapel Lydney

James ORMOND 1883 Forest of Dean (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:28:52 +0000

My guess is he (JAMES) is the son of Frederick

1871
Richard Ormond abt 1838 St Mary Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head St Mary Tenby In Liberty, Pembrokeshire
Eliza Ormond abt 1834 Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife St Mary Tenby In Liberty, Pembrokeshire
Fredrick Ormond abt 1863 St Mary Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son St Mary Tenby In Liberty, Pembrokeshire
Thomas Ormond abt 1869 St Mary Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son St Mary Tenby In Liberty, Pembrokeshire

1881
Richard Ormond abt 1838 Tenbigh, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Ormond abt 1835 Tenbigh, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
John Ormond abt 1871 Tenbigh, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Ormond abt 1878 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Thomas Ormond abt 1869 Tenbigh, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
William Ormond abt 1873 Tenbigh, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

1891
Richard Ormond abt 1840 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Eliza Ormond abt 1838 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
James Ormond abt 1883 Florest Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Ormond abt 1879 Treorky, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Thomas Ormond abt 1869 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
William Ormond abt 1873 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

1901
Richard Ormond Eabt 1841 Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Eliza Ormond abt 1838 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Thomas Ormond abt 1870 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
James Ormond abt 1883 Gloucestershire, England Grandson Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Colman abt 1879 Treorky, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
William J Colman abt 1878 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Son-in-law Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Marriage
Name: Frederick Ormond
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 420

Births

Name: James Ormond
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 5a
Page: 253

Name: James Ormond
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 246

ORMONDS in the Forest of Dean (reply)

bertha — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:42:48 +0000

You say on your website that you don't know who Franks parents were, I'm assuming you've already sent for his marriage certificate to Ethel?

Free BMD Marriages
Name: Frank Sinclair Ormond
Name: Ethel Emma Catherall
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 88

ORMONDS in the Forest of Dean

mjluscombe — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:18:48 +0000

Has anyone any information on any Ormonds in the Forest of Dean? As yet there is only one mentioned and that is Frances Ormond buried in 1879. I am searching for a Frank Ormond said to have been born in 1871 in the Forest of Dean area. The earliest reference I have of him is in the 1901 Census of London where he was said to be born in Chelsham(?Cheltenham)If anyone wants any more info on him you are welcome to see the family website(see link below)
Ormond family genealogy