Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:03:09 +0000

If you look at Gloucestershirebmd

HOLDER: Mother's maiden name TOMBLINS/TOMLINS

Forest of Dean: Monmouth Coleford

Annie - 1875
Polly - 1878
Annis - 1880
Willie Henry - 1882
Milson - 1884
Elton - 1886
Oliver Elizabeth - 1888

On the Forest of Dean records - the following children of

William & Elizabeth HOLDER were all christened on the same day : Parish Church Clearwell

21 June 1887 - residence: Milkwall - father: William (Collier) & Elizabeth

Polly
Annie
Maud ** (mother's maiden name: BIRD)
Willie Henry
Alice
Milson
Caleb ** (mother's maide name: BIRD)
Elton

All together on the 1891 census - West Dean, Monmouthshire, Wales

On the 1881 census - William HOLDER'S wife is named Emma (as transcribed on Family Search)

1881 Census, West Dean, Monmouthshire Wales

William HOLDER - aged 34, Coal Miner, born West Dean c1847
Emma HOLDER - 26 - born West Dean

+ children

Caleb
Anne
Maud
Kate
Annis

? Gloucestershirebdm

has

Caleb HOLDER - 1873 - mother's maiden name: BIRD
Maud HOLDER - 1877 - mother's maiden name: BIRD

????
In 1887 christening: William & Elizabeth had children Caleb and Maud christened along with the other children...

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1871 Census, Coleford

Ann ALLEN - 48 - born Shortstanding
Harriet A BIRD - Niece - 8 - born Beaufort, Monmouthshire
John SWEENEY - Lodger - 63 - born Ireland
Mary Ann TOMLINS - Niece - aged 20 - born Coleford
Elizabeth TOMLINS - Niece - aged 18 - born Coleford.

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If you look at previous thread

1861 Census

John NELMES - 1826
Emma NELMES - 1823 - born Berkeley
Caleb NELMES - 1853
Clara NELMES - 1858
Rosa NELMES - 1855
Sarah NELMES - 1849
William HOLDER - 1846 - (Wife's Son - Stepson) - born Rockhampton, Gloucestershire

Looking at the children of John & Emma NELMES - the mother's maiden name is HOLDER

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD

at Owlpen Holy Cross

Eluma (as translated) HOLDER - 29 August 1824

parents: David (occ: Weaver) & Elizabeth

siblings:

Jane - 29 August 1828
Ralph - 11 January 1832

David HOLDER married Elizabeth FISHER - at Uley 23 January 1815 by banns.

As Eluma/Emma isn't with her parents on the 1841 census....

? On the 1841 census Cheltenham
North Street, Late Grey House Lane

with Wm DREW and his family is

Emmy HOLDER - aged 15-19

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

rena phillips — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:25:55 +0000

Are we looking for the same William Holder? My William was born in 1847 and lived in Coleford (which obviously covers a few parishes) He married Elizabeth Tomlins on the 16th February 1873 at the age of 26 He was a miner His father was David Holder. Williams wife Elizabeth was aged 20 when she married and her father was named Henry who was also a miner. There was quite a large family and one of his sons was Elton who was my grandfather. Williams first wife died and he remarried and I think Elton and his brother Milson were from his second marriage. Elton had 6 children 1 son and 5 daughters. One of the daughters was my mum Annis Holder. The family seems to be complicated because of lack of registration details and I have hit a brick wall with David. I would appreciate any information you could share please. Likewise I may be able to fill in a few blanks. Elton still has one of his daughters living. She lives in Eastington Nr Stonehouse. She is the grand old age of 97. I hope this is some help to you. Regards Rena Phillips

David HOLDER circa 1790 Uley /Owlpen (reply)

Elton — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:05:19 +0000

Hi,

I now have not sure its the right one a Birth Certificate for a William Henry Holder 7th Sept 1844 Thornbury NO FATHER! mother Mary (Looks like Ann) Holder The mark of Mary Ann! Holder Mother Rockhampton. David Holder and Elizabeth Holder had a Daughter Mary Holder Born 28th May 1820 Uley Grim Hill Glos.Would welcome any ideas please.
Regards
Janice.

David HOLDER circa 1790 Uley /Owlpen (reply)

Elton — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:53:14 +0000

Thank you for that ,I just couldn't find a David Holder that seemed to fit at all.
Regards
Janice

David HOLDER circa 1790 Uley /Owlpen (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:16:44 +0000

long shot I wonder if this is an Uncle or Grand father ??

1841
David Holder abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Holder abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Charles Holder abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Holder abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Henry Holder abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Jane Holder abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire
Ralph Holder abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Uley, Gloucestershire

1851
David Holder abt 1791 Uley, Gloucestershire, England Head Stroud, Gloucestershire
Elizh Holder abt 1793 Uley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Stroud, Gloucestershire
Charles Holder abt 1836 Uley, Gloucestershire, England Son Stroud, Gloucestershire

Elipholet HOLDER c1817 IOwlpen (reply)

Elton — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:46:22 +0000

Hi,

We are never to old to learn are we,thank you for that info.

Janice

Elipholet HOLDER c1817 IOwlpen (reply)

PhilipN — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:46:57 +0000

Eliphelet was one of the sons of King David in the Bible.
Phil

Elipholet HOLDER c1817 IOwlpen (reply)

Elton — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:28:17 +0000

Hi,

A big thank you for all this information,lots of new names,have never come across the name Elipholet.
Kind Regards
Janice

Eliphelet HOLDER c1817 Owlpen (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:10:23 +0000

Marriage

Name: Elipholet Holder
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 11
Page: 361

< update 6/2/08>

Eliphelet
Meaning: God his deliverance

(1.) One of David's distinguished warriors (2 Sam. 23:34); called also Eliphal in 1 Chr. 11:35.
(2.) One of the sons of David born at Jerusalem (1 Chr. 3:6; 14:5); called Elpalet in 1 Chr. 14:5. Also another of David's sons (1 Chr. 3:8); called Eliphalet in 2 Sam. 5:16; 1 Chr. 14:7.
(3.) A descendant of king Saul through Jonathan (1 Chr. 8:39).

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

Elton — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:53:35 +0000

Hi,

Thanks for that info,have today sent for Birth Cert for a William Henry Holder Sept 1844 Thornbury,Oh well if not the right one another one to the collection of unwanted ones.
Thanks again
Janice

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

Paul Andrews — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:42:07 +0000

Janice,

IGI Individual Record: Naomi Holder
Christening: 31 MAR 1823 Owlpen, Gloucester, England
Parents: Father: James Holder Mother: Ann
Source Information: Batch No.: C030923 Dates: 1813-1877

Possible siblings:-

IGI Individual Record: Eliphalet [sic] Holder
Christening: 03 OCT 1817 Owlpen, Gloucester, England
Parents: Father: James Holder Mother: Ann
Source Information: Batch No.: C030923 Dates: 1813-1877

IGI Individual Record: John Holder
Christening: 08 MAR 1820 Owlpen, Gloucester, England
Parents: Father: James Holder Mother: Anne
Source Information: Batch No.: C030923 Dates: 1813-1877

You have indexes for John and Naomi/Emma in 1851/61/71.

1881 RG11/5223; Folio: 36; Page: 22
Civil Parish of Newland Milkwall
John Nelmes - Head - Mar - 56 - Furnace Man Unemployed - Glo'shire Berkeley
Emma Nelmes - Wife - Mar - 56 - Glo'shire Owlpen
Harry Nelmes - Son - Unm - 19 - Coal Miner - Glo'shire Milkwall
Naomi Joynes - Neice - 11 - Scholar - Glo'shire Milkwall

In 1871 Naomi Joynes was living next door to John and Naomi Nelmes.

I have another index for the birth of William Holder:- Q1 1846 Dursley. I think this is a better fit.

Free BMD Death Index:-
Name: Naomi Nelmes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 65
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 10

Best Wishes,
Paul.

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury ( living Milkwall) (reply)

Elton — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:21:49 +0000

Hi,

I think Naomi's son (Have today sent for Birth Cert William Henry Holder Thornbury Sept 1844 ) But on Williams Marriage to Elizabeth Tomlins he has his Father As David Holder Labourer.....Who and where I can't find one.
Janice

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

Paul Andrews — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:05:05 +0000

Janice,

IGI Individual Record: Naomi Holder Marriages:
Spouse: John Holms [Nelms?]
Marriage: 25 MAR 1846 Berkeley, Gloucester, England
Husband Age at Marriage: 22
Wife Age at Marriage: 21
Source Information: Batch No.: M016481 Dates: 1802-1863

Regards,
Paul.

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury ( living Milkwall) (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:29:53 +0000

I'm inclined to opt for Naomi's son , born before marriage to John Nelms - probably in Dursley registration area - Owlpen etc

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury ( living Milkwall) (reply)

Elton — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:32:50 +0000

What a Brilliant Site SCRIBES ALCOVE nearly as good as this one,thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Janice

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury ( living Milkwall) (reply)

Elton — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:52:32 +0000

Hi,

Thats the one I am after,William Holder married Elizabeth Tomlins in Coleford 1873.Thanks for Scribes Alcove,will take a look there.Had a look at a map he must have crossed the river ar some point in his life (Should have looked at a map first!)
Regards
Janice

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury ( living Milkwall) (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:59:54 +0000

www.scribes-alcove.co.uk is probably a good starting point for Thornbury area research

MARRIAGE: 25 Mar 1846 at Berkeley

GROOM BRIDE
NAME: John Nelms Naomi Holder
AGE: 22 21
STATUS: Bachelor Spinster
OCCUPATION: Labourer
ABODE: Newport Newport
FATHER: Emanuel Nelms James Holder
FATHER'S OCCUPATION: Labourer Labourer

WITNESSES: Andrew Hurcomb, Jane Nelms

1841 Alkington ( ne Newport Gloucestershire not Wales !)
Emanuell[a] Nelmes abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Nelmes abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Alice Nelmes abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Jane Nelmes abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Nelmes abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Thomas Nelmes abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Berkeley, Gloucestershire

1851
John Nelmes abt 1823 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Naomi Nelmes abt 1825 Woolpan, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Nelmes abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
John Nelmes abt 1826 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Nelmes abt 1823 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Caleb Nelmes abt 1853 Milkwell, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Clara Nelmes abt 1858 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Rosa Nelmesabt 1855 Milkwell, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Nelmes abt 1849 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
William Holder abt 1846 Rockhampton, Gloucestershire, England Wifes Son (Step Son) Newland,

1871
John Nelmes abt 1824 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Naomi Nelmes abt 1822 Woolpen, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Clara Nelmes abt 1858 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Harry Nelmes abt 1862 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Resa Nelmes abt 1855 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
William Holder abt 1846 Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:44:17 +0000

This isn't the Forest of Dean - Thornbury is on my side of the Severn.
However that does not preclude some helpful soul digging around for you!

Good Luck
Chris in wet 'n windy Berkeley

William HOLDER c1847 Thornbury

Elton — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:59:01 +0000

I need some help I am so confused with this one.
Naomi Holder married John Nelms March 1846 Ref Thornbury.
1861..William Holder 1846 Rockhampton Emma/Naomi son!!
1871 William Holder 1846 Thornbury Nephew!!
I have found William Holder Sept 1844 Thornbury 11 456 is this the right William!!
From Parish Records...William Holder married Elizabeth Tomlins 1873 and gives his Father as David Holder I can find no David Holders so who was he and where did he come from.
Regards
Janice