Grove Farm,
Littledean Road,
Newnham, GL14 1JY

Given the Tibbs Cross reference and the Palmers at The Temple, up near Pleasant stile

This may have been known as Flaxley Grove Farm Littledean.

Year:1923
Month:Aug
Day:7
Grooms_Surname:SMITH
Grooms_Forenames:William Whistance
Grooms_Age:26
Groom_Condition;Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:Grocer
Grooms_Residence:105 Park Road Hockley Birmingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:SMITH (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:Francis
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:Fitter
Brides_Surname:WATTS
Brides_Forenames:Alice
Brides_Age:23
Brides_Condition:Spinster
Brides_Occupation:[not stated]
Brides_Residence:Flaxley Grove Farm Littledean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:WATTS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:Alfred
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:Farmer
Licence_or_Banns:Banns
Date_of_Banns:[not stated]
Signature_or_Mark:Both sign
Witness_1:Alfred Watts
Witness_2:Doris E George
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:J. Martin Officiating Minister
Event:Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:P 110 IN 1/10
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel:Littledean

1911 Camp Farm Littledean
Alfred Watts abt 1870 East Dean, Gloucestershire Husband Littledean, Gloucestershire

Year:1899
Month:Apr
Day:3
Grooms_Surname:WATTS
Grooms_Forenames:Alfred
Grooms_Age:29
Groom_Condition:Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:Labourer
Grooms_Residence:Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:Watts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:Labourer
Brides_Surname:PRICE
Brides_Forenames:Lilly
Brides_Age:25
Brides_Condition:Spinster
Brides_Occupation:[not stated]
Brides_Residence:Tidenham
Brides_Fathers_Surname:Price
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:Albert
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:Market Gardener
Licence_or_Banns:Banns
Date_of_Banns:[not stated]
Signature_or_Mark:both sign
Witness_1:James White
Witness_2:Ernest Watts
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:V C Reynell Reynell Vicar
Event:Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:P333 IN 1/8
Page_Number:238
Parish_Chapel:Tidenham

Given as it currently houses a "public figure" if I were you I'd write or phone and politely enquire. It's an uptodate website so you could be lucky...

Grove Farm
Flaxley
Nr Newnham-on-Severn
Glos GL14 1JW

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Inputting this postcode into the OldMaps site does find a modern map location called Grove Farm just east of Flaxley village towards Westbury, does this seem correct ?

By changing the displayed map to the oldest available, the 1884 OS, it still shows Grove Farm, suggesting its the same one mentioned in the 1871 Census.
Hopefully carefull studying of these maps will find the other locations you seek.
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

I'd love to search now but a late meal awaits me, Happy Hunting !

(If you've not used the Old Maps site before then this prior thread may help, it can take a little getting used to at first but is worth persevering with)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38858

UPDATE !!

OOPS !, sorry, should have back-read(?) the thread first....
re your earlier mention of a Grove Farm at Bullo Pill. I also found that one but I don't think it's the same one as I've quoted above, different phone number & postcode etc. Bullo Pill is on the bank of the Severn, south of Newnham, so a fair way from Flaxley village. "Grove Farm" is a very common/traditional farm name throughout the UK, it seems.
As you then say (perhaps a little mixedup) the above GL14 1JW Grove Farm in Flaxley village is indeed owned by a local councillor, good luck with your email. This is "your" Grove Farm I'm certain.

This FoD Council pdf document has a photo and describes a C17th Barn at Grove Farm.
http://www.fdean.gov.uk/media/Assets/Planning-DC/documents/Conservation%20Areas/buildin...

Searching Tibbs Cross:
http://greenbottom.org.uk/tibbs-cross-houses/
http://www.torrens.org.uk/greenbottom.org/Walks/StAnthonys/index.html
http://www.burgumfamily.com/pages/pl%20flaxley.html

Also, in 1876 & 1879 Trade Directories for Flaxley,
"PALMER Thomas, miller and farmer, Flaxley mill"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/flaxley1876.htm
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/kellys/Flaxley_1879.htm

It's taken me awhile to digest the fabulous info you found re Palmers at Flaxley
and I thank you wholeheartedly.

I have been sent a catalogue for the selling of Grove Farm in 1871 by a Mrs Palmer. It lists everything even to the names of the cows & horses !

My need now is to find which Mrs Palmer she was.
I thought it might have been the Edwin Palmers but found on FoD records they d. in 1868 & 1869 - bur. Flaxley.
The youngest son Joseph d. 1876 bur. WoS but I can't find his wife Ann [Bellamy] Palmer's d.

Could you search census records for Grove Farm Flaxley for Palmers for me please? I can't find any way of putting Grove Farm in a census search. In another thread 'Slowhands' found Palmers at Temple Farm for a researcher. http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=2782

The will of John Palmer d.1812 arrived last week in which he left his estate to wife & son John (- 12 at the time. He's the one who lived at the Temple).

The land bequeathed in the will was:-

'...all and singular

those my several Nurseries Pieces or Parcels

of Land together with the Stock and Trees growing

and being thereon and all the other Trees Planted

by me situate lying standing and being at or

near a Place called the Camp and adjoining the

Road leading from the Plough to Littledean

in the said County And also all that my

Garden or Nursery with the Stocks and Trees

standing and growing therein situate and being

at a Place called the Grove Stile and Tibbs Cross

in the Hundreds of Saint Briavells in the said County of Gloucester...'

Unfortunately the will does not mention Grove Farm. Maybe it wasn't called that then? On one pedigree chart I was given it says JP 'of Flaxley Court' & on another 'of Flaxley Grove'. It's very confusing to an outsider. I have seen ref to The Camp in BH online. I guess what I need is a plan of these farms. Any light you can throw on the situation of Grove Farm would be appreciated.

I'm happy to send copies of my FH to FoD FHT.

Kath

1841 census

Flaxley Mill *****

PALMER

Edwin - 30 - Miller, all born in County (son of Thomas & Elizabeth PALMER - christened 3 March 1811, Flaxley)
Caroline -30 (daughter of John & Mary PALMER - christened 31 March 1811, Flaxley)
Thomas - 6
Harriet - 4
Alfred - 8 months

(Gloucestershirebdm - Alfred William PALMER - 1840 - mother's maiden name PALMER)

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**** 8-32 Gloucestershire Society for Industrial Archaeology - this website has old photographs of Flaxley Mill (not sure if it's Edwin's - cross-checks with No. 20 photograph + map - c1800 positioning Flaxley Corn Mill

http://www.gsia.org.uk/reprints/1974/gi197408.pdf

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Fod Records

Marriage at Flaxley - 7 January 1832

Edwin PALMER- Bachelor, Parish of Flaxley

married

Caroline PALMER - Spinster, Flaxley Parish

by Licence

witnesses: William BELLAMY and Ann PALMER

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Fod Records

Baptism at Flaxley - 31 March 1811

Caroline PALMER - parents John & Mary

(siblings)

John - 15 April 1800 christened 16 May 1800
Joseph - born 23 December 1802 - christened 9 January 1803
Ann - born 23 January 1805 - christened 17 February 1805
Esau - christened 25 February 1807
Harriet - 29 January 1809

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Looking at Public members trees on Ancestry - Mary's (mother) maiden name was BELLAMY (info in previous thread) and John PALMER - christened 27 November 1763 - parents John & Sarah.

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FoD records

Marriage at Westbury on Severn - 28 July 1793

John PALMER (otp) Westbury

married

Mary BELLAMY - (otp) Westbury **

by licence:

Witnesses: William GOUGH and Tobias COWLES

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** previous thread on the BELLAMY/COWLES family of Westbury

www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=35110

How do I get details of Census records?
I have from FoD searches; Edwin Palmer, 30, Flaxley, '3 - 356/6 - 5' but don't know how to open it up.

Thank you all for a great site

Kath

If you search the Gloucestershire Archives: Online Catalogue

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/catalogue

Finding Ref: D2299/2/6/41

Title: Tibberton: Griffins Farm (Thomas Palmer)
Cider and perry

Date: 1897

NumberofDocs: 1 document

--- + lots of other documents and by searching Giles PALMER (which seems to be a family name)

Finding Ref: D678/1 T2/5/46-61
Title: Saunders to Butler to Remington
Date 1736-1765

..... (3 April 1738) by Giles PALMER of Moreton Valence, yeoman and John PALMER of the same, baker (two sons of William PALMER, late of the same, yeomen, deceased),.........

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? Gloucester pre 1800 Marriage Index CD

YATE - both of Wotton

Thomas PALMER/Sarah SHIPWAY

24 January 1713

Fod Records: Burial at Longney - 4 March 1753 - Sarah PALMER

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When John and William** married in 1763 - they both married by Licence.

In the Downloads - there is an example of the Licence of my x grandparents in 1777 - which contains more information that the parish register entry on the actual marriage day.

i.e. It gives the age of my x grandparents, status and John's occupation. (although I saved it under Bann is should have been Licence)

www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Marriage_Bann_Sample_2.pdf

The Licence is dated 8 March 1777 - the couple married at Lydney - 9 April 1777 (.. ufusal Abode for the Space of Four Weeks laft paft) - John's age and occupation is not on the marriage entry.

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The Licence should also be at the Gloucestershire Records office for John.

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*** in previous reply gave the CLDS birth of a William PALMER at Elmore in 1726 - father : Thos.

Going back to the Longney transcripts on downloads:

In memory of William PALMER of this parish who died 26 November 1782 age 56 (c1726) and Sarah - his wife - who departed this life June the 28th 1791 age 59.

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? are these PALMER's and BULLOCK's inter-marrying farmers?

Looking at my Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD from 1800

Thomas PALMER of Littleworth married Elizabeth BULLOCK at Hempsted - 21 June 1830

Yes, I noticed the gap in years of children of Thomas Palmer - strange.

Yes, will look up witness records.

It is difficult to figure out the relationships.
Children of John & Sarah Palmer were; John, William, Sarah, Joseph, James, Thomas, Mary, Benjamin, Daniel.[WoS Par Rcds]

I have copies of hand drawn pedigrees of Bullock family with Palmer connections* if they would be of use to your records.In fact I'm happy to send any of my records to you if they might help other researchers.

* e.g.Ann Palmer d/o Daniel Palmer & Ann Palmer inherited 'The Temple' Littledean from gt uncle Charles Bullock &

Benjamin Palmer s/o John & Sarah Palmer inherited 'Griffins Farm Tibberton' from Charles Bullock...

ON this same chart is written 'Giles Palmer of Longney ... of Griffins Tibberton ... Sarah - d.1806' - seemingly unconnected to the pedigree! It's all too much.

You have given me much food for thought, Kath

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William PALMER who was married on the same day as John - not sure of his parentage. W MERETT appears as a witness of William/John and when Thomas CARTER married Anne JEFFERIES - both W MERETT and Giles PALMER were witnesses. Wm PALMER was a witness at the marriage of Giles PALMER in Longney. There's a link somwhere. Use the Advance Search for witnesses - this can be useful. When John PALMER married - one witness was Thomas GABB and he married a CARTER.

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There is a gap of a number of years children of John PALMER and Sarah (at Longney)

Sarah - 1721
Thomas - 1723

John - 1731
Giles - 1733

On Fod Records - there is a burial of a William MERETT (Jnr) - of this Parish of Elmore - 14 July 1773

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?The Church of Latter Day Saints - has a William PALMER christened at Elmore - 10 July 1726 - father Thos. PALMER.

Also on FoD records : Marriage at Saint Nicholas, Gloucester 14 February 1775 - Joseph PALMER and Susannah HARDING - this couple appear on the CLDS to have children at Eastington. e.g. Richard 1775, Benjamin 1788 - Mary Ann - 1777

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- John was from Eastington - on his marriage records in 1763 - so the family appear to have land elsewhere.

I found previously that this family built the 2nd Flaxley Chapel.

The 3rd chapel built by Mary Pope in 1727-30 was said in 1851 to
have had '130 seats, all appropriated for the household & tenants
of Sir Martin Crawley -Boevey.'[Benefice Office W o S]

This made me wonder if John Palmer was a tenant farmer of the Abbey
when his last 7 children were baptised in Flaxley from 1800-1813.

[The 4th Flaxley church wasn't built until 1856.]

I would tend to think that John Palmer descended from Thomas Palmer
of Flaxley rather than from Thomas Palmer of Longney; would you?

Re John Palmer s/o Thomas bap 22.03.1731 Longney - in the same year I found
John Palmer s/0 Thomas bur 20.10.1731 " - same Vicar W James
That has me totally confused; it can't be my John Palmer.

Puzzled Kath

http://www.coaley.net/glos1608/index.php

Flaxley

Thomas PALMER - Servant to George KINSTONE, Gentleman ** A40 (age about 40) - middle stature

*** George KINGSTON, Gentleman (Flaxley) Will 1645 also on the Gloucestershire Will Index

Fod Records - Burial

George KINGSTON - 15 March 1645 (Flaxley) -

The KINGSTON family of Flaxley are well documented on the 'net'.

This will hopefully give you a list of 25+ men, your Thomas is halfway down the first page; Year "1751", Parish "Longney" etc. Did you see this when you tried ?.

Click the "ordering information" hyperlink at right hand side and hopefully it will work ok.

Hope this helps, Jeff

The Will of Thomas PALMER, Yeoman, Longney 1751/1753 from the Gloucestershire Records Office - link in previous thread - on the far right of Thomas PALMER's details, is ordering information, hopefully this will give family members names.

I think your thanks should be directed to mpg, not to me, but am delighted that you are being successful in your enquiries.

This is no accident. FoDFHT is far and away the best Site of all the FH societies I know of. The format and user friendliness reaps rich rewards.

Roger

The Grove, standing in a deep valley was the principal farmstead in the part of Flaxley, east of Littledean

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23256&strquery=flaxley

Fod Records

Burial at Flaxley: 26 July 1812

John PALMER

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Just had a look at my pre 1800 Glos. Marriage Index

Marriage at Longney **- 14 February 1763

John PALMER of Eastington and Sarah COMMEDOW - by Lic. ** see Fod record of marriage below - and from Fod Records (see below) - William PALMER - married at Longney - Sarah BROWNING the same day i.e. 14 February 1763.

also

Thomas PALMER of Eastington (Glos) marrying at Northleach, Glos 8 July 1771 - Hannah EDDIS (W)

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John & Thomas PALMER could just be residing at Eastington. There appears to be the weddings of John & William PALMER at Longney - both on the 14 February 1763.

Sarah COWMEADOW was christened at Longney - 1735 (see below) - this might be John PALMER's christening at Longney

22 March 1731 - parent: Thomas

siblings:

Sarah PALMER - 30 March 1721 - Thomas & Sarah (buried 25 June 1732 - daughter of Thomas)
Thomas PALMER - 23 December 1723 - Thomas & Sarah
Giles PALMER - 15 January 1733 - Thomas & Sarah

A Giles PALMER is mentioned in this previous thread for PARRY

www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=40142

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Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database - there is a Will of Thomas PALMER, Yeoman, Longney - 1751/53

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/

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**** if you check the Longney baptisms: there are a number of siblings of Sarah COWMEADOW - (Father: Richard, Mother: Anna

Mary - 10 April 1737
Hannah - 9 January 1740
John - 9 May 1742
Mary - 20 July 1745
Hester - 22 November 1747
Anna - 24 March 1749

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Fod Records

Marriage at Gloucester St Nicholas - 12 February 1734

Richard COWMEADOW
residence: Longney
married
Hannah BULLOCK
residence: Westbury

and burial at Longney
5 November 1762 of Richard COWMEADOW

downloads - Biigland Transcripts for Longney - age 60

his wife Anna - 20 September 1772 - age 67 and Anna their daughter 19 December 1765 age 16.

www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Bigland_Transcripts/Longney_Bigland_Transcripts.pdf

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Have just double-checked my Burial CD Index which gives a death of a Sarah PALMER at Westbury on Severn, age 92 on the 4 April 1828.

Fod Records have the name as Jane PALMER - buried 4 April 1828 age 92 at Westbury on Severn

Sarah PALMER c 1736.

Fod Records, Baptism at Longney - 6 July 1735

Sarah COWMEADOW

father's forename: Richard

mother's forename : not stated

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Fod Records

Marriage at Longney - 14 February 1763

John PALMER of Eastington

Sarah COWMEDOW of this Parish

marrried by Licence

witnesses: Robert BULLOCK** and W MERETT

and

Marriage at Longney - 14 February 1763

William PALMER - of this Parish

married Sarah BROWNING of this Parish

by licence

witnesses: Thomas GABB and W MERETT

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British History on Line for Longney - talks about the BULLOCK's family - farmers of Longney

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Using the Advance Search : Children of John & Sarah PALMER - Westbury on Severn

John - 27 November 1763 - Married Mary BELLAMY - 28 July 1793 Westbury on Severn
William - 24 March 1765
Sarah - 19 May 1767
Joseph - 24 January 1769
James - 2 May 1771
Thomas - 26 April 1773
Mary - 9 April 1776
Benjamin - 28 April 1778
Daniel - 18 April 1780

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? Burial at Westbury on Severn - 11 April 1783

John PALMER