Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Damaris BAILEY & John MORSE

Damaris BAILEY & John MORSE (reply)

lyn22 — Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:49:26 +0000

Thank you Jeff I will have a look at the web site it is very much appreciated you taking the time to help Take Care Lynette

Damaris BAILEY & John MORSE (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:32:16 +0000

Hi Lyn,
apologies if it's already been mentioned on this thread (I think not ?), but this Morse FH website also details the above family and may be worth visiting, it shows links to New Zealand so perhaps Australia too.

http://jamesel1.tripod.com/id13.html

The writer of this (and other related) post may be worth trying to contact,
http://genforum.genealogy.com/morse/messages/2293.html

Damaris LOVELL nee BAILEY 1771-1853 ( PRITCHARD Tintern) (reply)

lyn22 — Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:57:50 +0000

You have been busy thank you so much for your help. This side of my tree was given to me by my cousin and I am going back over it. You have given me lots of information. I am in Australia and have only just remembered that I had joined the Forest of Dean forum. Take Care Lynette

Damaris LOVELL nee BAILEY 1771-1853 ( PRITCHARD Tintern) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 Oct 2013 06:46:48 +0000

This John was Kings first son he died in 1793 my Johns brother. I dont have any burial records so King and him were buried together. Does it mention his wife Damaris . My John immigrated to Australia in 1841 with his wife Mary on a ship called Westminster. Thank you for taking the time to help it is much appreciated. Take Care Lynette

John and Damaris

1841 Blakeney Hill
John Lovel abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Damien Lovel abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
John Lovell abt 1777 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Damaris Lovell abt 1772 Abbey, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name:Damaris Lovell
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1853
Registration District:Westbury on Severn
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:6a
Page:163

Year: 1853
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Surname: LOUELL
Forenames: Damaui
Residence: Forest of Dean
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: J H Malpes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/10
Page_No: 148
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1854
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Surname: LOVELL
Forenames: John
Residence: Forest of Dean
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: J H Malpes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/10
Page_No: 153
Parish_Chapel: Awre

This is likely to be Damaris' family in Tintern/Abbey/Chapel Hill area:-

Year: 1770
Month: May
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: WAIT
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Damaris
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Chapel Hill
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth

Year: 1769
Month: June
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: WRIGHT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Chapel Hill Mon.
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Damaris
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Chapel Hill Mon
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1: Mark of Richard Brown
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Wille
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Edmunds-Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth

and possibly ( needs more time !)

Year: 1744
Month: Jul
Day: 29
Surname: PRICHARD
Forenames: Damaris
Residence: Chapel Hill
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: w/o Richard Prichard
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth

Damaris BAILEY (reply)

lyn22 — Thu, 24 Oct 2013 00:13:37 +0000

Hello yes the Damaris who married John Morse I have as Kings daughter. I have gone back over my tree and Damaris ( Kings wife ) remarried John Lovell in 1831. There are a lot of mistakes about this family. I am still trying to sort out. Thank you for that Census information. Take Care Lynette

Damaris BAILEY (reply)

MPGriffiths — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:35:18 +0000

This website and Public Members Trees - give Damaris BAILEY marrying - John MORSE - 13 May 1817

(Under 7th Generation)

http://www.whaite.com/family/oldbailey/ch02.htm

Fod Records - have a burial for King BAILEY - aged 52, residence: Woodside - at Awre - 12 December 1817.

The last child baptised : King & Damaris BAILEY - was Harriot - 18 June 1809

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? Is this the correct burial for King BAILEY as a Damaris BAILEY married John MORSE, before King was buried.

Fod Records have children for Damaris & John MORSE - 1820, 1821, 1824, 1825, 1827 - and assume this Damaris BAILEY is the daughter of John & Damaris baptised - 15 April 1798.

1841 Census - Yorkley

MORSE

John - 50
Diannah - 45
Thomas - 19
John - 15
Edmund - 10
Frederic - 12
Harriett - 7
Eliza - 5
Phoebe - 3
Mary - 1 (Glos BDM - Mary - 1839 - Newnham - mother's maiden name BAILEY)

John BAILEY 1790 - 1793 Awre (reply)

lyn22 — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:11:42 +0000

This John was Kings first son he died in 1793 my Johns brother. I dont have any burial records so King and him were buried together. Does it mention his wife Damaris . My John immigrated to Australia in 1841 with his wife Mary on a ship called Westminster. Thank you for taking the time to help it is much appreciated. Take Care Lynette

John BAILEY 1790 - 1793 Awre (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:57:02 +0000

Is this the John who shares a grave with King ?

Year: 1792
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: BAILEY
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: King
Mothers_Forenames: Damaris
Mothers_Surname: nee](Wayte Spinste]r)
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar & Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1]S[on] [2]b[or]n March 24 1790
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 467
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1793
Month: Apr
Day: 21
Surname: BAYLY
Forenames: John
Residence:
Age_at_death: 3 [years]
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: S[on] of King & Damaris ([nee]Wayte Sp[inste]r) d[ie]d April 19
Notes: BT's surname shown as Bayley
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/1 Part 2
Page_No: 544
Parish_Chapel: Awre

John BAILEY 1801 - 1820 (?) Awre / Blakeney (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:44:18 +0000

. The John Bailey who was killed in a wagon accident who were his Parents. Thanks Lynette

Year: 1801
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: BAILEY
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Susanna
Mothers_Surname: nee](Morse Spinste]r)
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1]S[on] [2]b[or]n April 15
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 484
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1820
Month: Sep
Day: 17
Surname: BAILEY
Forenames: John
Residence: Awre
Age_at_death: 18
Officiating_Minister: W. H White Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/10
Page_No: 20
Parish_Chapel: Awre

more likely than

Year: 1803
Month: Jul
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: BAILEY
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: King
Mothers_Forenames: Damaris
Mothers_Surname: nee](Wait Spinster])
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar & Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1]S[on] [2]b[or]n June 27
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 488
Parish_Chapel: Awre

King BAILEY 1769 - 1817 (reply)

lyn22 — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:26:32 +0000

Hello Ralph
King Bailey born 1769 died 1817 and Damaris Waite were my 3rd Great Grandparents. My 2nd Great Grandparents were John Bailey born 1803 died Australia 1851 and Mary Parsons born 1815 died 1882 Australia. I would be interested in any information you have on them. Is this the King Bailey that you were talking about. The John Bailey who was killed in a wagon accident who were his Parents. Thanks Lynette

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

RalphCook — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:16:52 +0000

There are indeed mistakes in both the works you refer too (and perhaps it is inevitable that there will be as the records are often not really detailed enough to yield demonstrably correct conclusions). Nevertheless, it is possible to iron out some errors. Hannah Bailey b. 1811 was not the granddaughter of King Bailey and her father was not King's son.

Hannah's father, Richard Bailey was born in about 1764 and married (1st) Esther Roberts around 1800. They had 5 children, Ann 1800, James 1803, Eliza 1807, Hannah 1811 and Henry 1815. Richard survived his first wife who died in 1833 and married Ann Parfett in 1834. He lived until 1855, informing the 1851 census that he was born at Newent and he was buried at Lydney. The Newent registers do not have his baptism but nearby Dymock does - his parents were John & Mary Bailey, whose first two children were baptised at Newent.

Obviously, Richard's age rules him out as King's son.

A mistake I picked up in Joy Whaite's work was the belief that King Bailey's son John got married. In fact he was killed at the age of 20 years in an accident with a wagon. This is certain as the death was the subject of a coroners hearing, recorded in the Awre burial register and is inscribed on King Bailey's gravestone at Awre!

However, I'm still working on this family and am by no means convinced I've got it sorted out. I'm reasonably certain about what cannot be true - I'm more hesitant about what certainly is!

Regards Ralph Cook

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

tedchapman — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:20:43 +0000

Thanks to you Keith I wil follow it up,

Ted

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

Bailey — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:33:19 +0000

I would recommend looking at a publication called "From Little Dean to Enoggera" by Joy Whaite ( on line : http://www.whaite.com/family/oldbailey/ch02.htm )or search on line for William Bailey of Wheatenhurst. Joy undertook a family search of Baileys who emigrated from Gloucestershire to New Zealand and has an extensive records.

From the parish records, a Hannah Bailey was born 12 May 1811 in Blakeney to parents Richard and Esther Bailey.

From thie above publication:-

A Richard Bailey bap. 4 March 1792 at Blakeney was born to King Bailey and Damaris (nee Waite,or Wayte). King and Damaris married 24 December 1789 at Newnham.

King Bailey bap. 21 January 1769 is believed to be born at Wheatenhurst to John Bailey and Mary (nee Gaynor).

This branch of the Bailey family were referred to by Joy as the Bailey's of Elmore but basically the Baileys of Wheatenhurst, Elmore, Hardwicke, Longney and Quedgeley in Whitstone Hundred are all related to the Baileys of Longney (Maragaret Bailey of Longney Will 1547).

The above was also researched by Marie Lawry (a descendant of William Fowle Bailey)who produced a publication in New Zealand called "The Family Saga" which concentrates on the NZ branch stemming from William Fowle Bailey. I have managed to acquire a secondhand copy (paperback) which is somewhat delicate, however, provides an extensive history of the familys that emigrated.

Produced from research in the 1980's and 90's both these publications are very useful, however, they do not claim to be a complete authority (there are some errors).

Kind Regards

Keith Bailey

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

tedchapman — Sat, 10 Sep 2011 06:06:01 +0000

Wow what swift response, Thanks.

This seems to connect and therefore takes me a bit further. So I can now look closer to home at any records available.

Ted

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:45:35 +0000

1851 Census, Bristol St James

21 Charles Street

James BENDLE - 38 - Porter, born Hampshire
Hannah BENDLE - 38 - Born Glos, Porloc (transcibed as PORTON)

1861 Census, Bristol

James BENDLE - Father - 48 - Porter born Wallop, Hants
Hannah - 49 - born Lidney, Glos
John - 9 - born Bristol

Freebdm

Marriages A/M/J Qtr 1850 - Clifton District

James BENDLE/Hannah BAILEY

The wedding certificate would show whether Hannah was a Spinster or Widow ? as Hannah would have been in her late 30's and will give her father's name and occupation.

FOD records

Hannah BAILEY christening at Blakeney (few miles away from Lydney)

29 January 1815 (born 12 May 1811)

parents Richard & Esther

Hannah Bailey b abt 1812 Lydney (reply)

tedchapman — Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:27:40 +0000

Hi all I am an incomer to the Forest, but it seems that I have at least one connection with Lydney if not the ture Forest.

Hannah Bailey born about 1812 in Lydney. d abt 1889 Bristol
Married James Bendle b abt 1814 in Wallop, Hampshire
at Bristol 23/04/1850 ?

Thanks

Ted Chapman

John MORSE 1791 Yorkley Damaris BAILEY 1798 Blakeney

slowhands — Mon, 07 May 2007 21:56:20 +0000

< as transcribed>

DAMARIS BAILEY
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Event(s):
Birth: 02 APR 1798
Christening: 15 APR 1798 Awre With Blakeney, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: BAILEY
Mother: DAMARIS WAIT
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C023302 1538 - 1812 0091511 Film 6911600 Film
Sheet: 00

DAMARIS BAILEY
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN MORSE
Marriage: 13 MAY 1817 Awre With Blakeney, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M023301 1754 - 1859 0091512 Film 6911601 Film
Sheet: 00

1841 Yorkley
John Morse abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Diannah Morse abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Edmund Morse abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Morse abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Fredric Morse abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Harriett Morse abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
John Morse abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Morse abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Phoebe Morse abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Morse abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Yorkley
John Mosse abt 1791 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Damaris Mosse abt 1798 Blisbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Mosse abt 1831 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Mosse abt 1835 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederick Mosse abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Mosse abt 1840 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Phoebe Mosse abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederick Archer abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England At Nurse (Nurse) West Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Yorkley
Frederick Morse abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Matilda Morse abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Emely Morse abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederick Archer Morse abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Maria Morse abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Dameris Morse abt 1796 Blakeney Ph of Awr Mother West Dean Gloucestershire Widow
John Thomas Mc Morse abt 1853 Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire