Forest of Dean FHT Forum - E.H. phone home

E.H. phone home (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:48:53 +0000

Elijah as being spawned by an alien from some other planet

now that would make him a Voreigner not a Vorester !

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

Jean Herbert — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:23:10 +0000

Creeping in here, Jean Herbert from Yorkshire who started this lot off. Have you ever heard the expression "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it"? Well, this has happened to me. I only asked a little question or two maybe, about the Herbert and related families. Now I have Herbert - Dobbs - Brain - Phelps - Morgan - Haywood etc coming at me thick and fast. We thought we were the only Herberts who came to live and work in the area but have now, thanks to all your efforts - found many more.
Regarding the father of Elijah - GAY or GREY. I am not even getting ito this one, I will leave it to the experts, just wondering which one of you, Bertha or Slowhands is the first to be sent to bed without supper for arguing. I think I will enter Elijah as being spawned by an alien from some other planet as my Herbert, the last of his line in Yorkshire - is an avid Sci-Fi fan. Many thanks for your efforts, look forward eagerly for next installment. Regards Jean Herbert

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

ChrisW — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:00:30 +0000

I was just checking you two hadn't nodded off!

James GUY 1781 living in Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:04:54 +0000

Speculation indeed !

Well from Ancestry I can only fine one GAY in the Forest ;-), and he is a Charles born about 1811 and living on Ruardean Hill. which is also where the HERBERTS were :-
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2654

However when you look at the entry , the handwriting looks more like GUY, so pressing on :-

1841 Cinderford
James Guy abt 1781 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Charlotte Guy abt 1791 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
John Guy abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Anne Guy abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

so I guess GUY should not be ruled out as a possible surname :-)

and just out of the Forest in Ross on Wye:-
1841
Thomas Gay abt 1816 Herefordshire, England Ross Herefordshire
Mary Gay abt 1817 Herefordshire, England Ross Herefordshire

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

bertha — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:05:37 +0000

Or it may even be that it's none of the above!
I've put Thomas Gay as a 'possible' pending further research as per the related link below

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=6931#p6937

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:26:18 +0000

Speculation time (Slowhands & Bertha will kill me for this!)
I have found two Thomas Gays born to John & Mary in Mitcheldean.
Thomas 1 b 1783 d 1785
Thomas 2 b 1786 d 1811

If the correct date of birth for Elijah was 1812, it is possible that Thomas 2 was his father but died before he was born.

I have not been able to find a marriage for Thomas or Elizabeth; to each other or anyone else.

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:56:49 +0000

Now I'm confused! According to the marriage record Elijah was born in 1812, but the baptism record states 1820? Perhaps he wasn't baptised until he was 8?

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:21:55 +0000

Baptism for Elijah Herbert in Parish Records:

record_id 12726
Entry Number 180
Year 1820
Month October
Day 8
Parents Surname Herbert
Child Forename Elijah
Father's Forename Blank
Mother's Forename Elizabeth
Place of Residence Woodside
Occupation Servant
Officiating Minister H Berkin
Event Type Baptism
Memoranda base son of
Notes
Register Reference P109 in 1/1
Register Number 23
Place/Chapel Drybrook
Soundex H616

Yes - base born does mean what you think it means!
Regards
Chris

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

Jean Herbert — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:10:37 +0000

Message for Bertha.
With reference to your reply to my post re: Jane Baglin. You kindly gave me some information on the father of Elijah Herbert, these being possible father and mother. Father's name GAY mother Elizabeth HERBERT. I need to follow up this lead but am unsure as to how to go about it. Firstly, did Elizabeth actually marry GAY or was Elijha a "mistake". I would like to find out who her father was and if she eventually married and who to. She may have had other children either prior to possible marriage or afterwards.
I have joined the Parish Records section of this site but as I am new to it I am not sure how to proceed. Could you please point me in the right direction? Eternally grateful for information already recieved. Regards Jean Herbert

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

Jean Herbert — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:23:11 +0000

Thank your for the information Bertha. You have added two more generations to our tree. Thank you for taking the time to send this information. Regards Jean herbert

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean (reply)

bertha — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:01:32 +0000

Previous Baglin Thread
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4083#p4084

Both Records can be viewed in the Parish Records section of this website, which can be accessed by joining the 'Members Area'

Birth
record_id 43602
Entry Number 87
Year 1814
Month Jun
Day 30
Parents Surname BAGLIN
Child Forename(s) Jane
Father's Forename(s) Daniel
Mother's Forename(s) Mary
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Jayford[sic]
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister W Nunn
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/6
Page No 11
Parish/Chapel Newland
Soundex B245
record_id 20525

Marriage Interesting to note that Elijah Herberts father is named Thomas Gay
Entry Number 20
Year 1840
Month May
Day 26
Groom Surname HERBERT
Groom Forename(s) Elijah
Groom Age at Marriage 28
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Labourer
Groom Residence Hundred of St. Briavels
Groom Father's Surname Gay
Groom Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier
Bride Surname BAGLIN
Bride Forename(s) Jane
Bride Age at Marriage 0
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Hundred of St. Briavels
Bride Father's Surname Baglin
Bride Father's Forename(s) Daniel
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Collier
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Elizabeth Baglin
Witness 2 James Jenkins
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister Richard Davies Rector
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P310 IN 1/6
Page No 10
Parish/Chapel Staunton
Soundex Groom H616
Soundex Bride B245

Jane BAGLIN - West Dean

Jean Herbert — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:39:57 +0000

Is anyone researching the family of Jane Baglin? I have a Jane Baglin married to Elijah Herbert. She was born abt 1816 in West Dean Gloucestershire. Census records give varying dates of birth and I am not sure which is correct, nor do I know her date of marriage.

I would be interested to hear from anyone who is also researching this family.

Regards Jean Herbert