Forest of Dean FHT Forum - FLETCHER - MORGAN associated thread

FLETCHER - MORGAN associated thread (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:33:18 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=10084

Morgan Origins (reply)

nan\'s families — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:25:16 +0000

Hello Kathy
I've only just joined this excellent site, as I am researching my 'grandmother's' family the Morgans and have discovered they originated from the Forest of Dean.

I got back to her g.grandparents and from their marriage certificate her g.g.grandfather William Morgan. Her g.grandfather was William Morgan circa 1825/7, on census' from Newland, Glos/ Forest of Dean, Glos/ Bream, Glos.

Thanks to some very kind people on this site, it would seem that William may have been illegitimate and his father may or may not have been the said William Morgan as his probable mother was Diana Morgan, unmarried, but with a number of children, including Mary and William in 1841 census. In 1851 William was a visitor in Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire and married and settled there temporarily in 1852, moved to Somerset by next census 1861 but had then moved back to Monmouthshire by 1871 and permanently settled there. In 1851 Bream, Diana and her daughter Mary were still together with another child Carmalla also down as a daughter, although the baptism records show her to be the daughter of Mary.

You will know Carmalla married John Fletcher as they are your relatives. My William named one of his daughters Carmela, he also had two sons whom he named Ernest and Alfred, which were the names of your Carmalla's sons also.

I am convinced that William is part of that family now as there are too many name coincidences occurring. If I am right, William would have been your Carmalla's uncle.

Have you any evidence in your findings of any William Morgan in your family. I would love to hear from you to share our findings.

Kind Regards
Dorothy

Morgan Origins ( FLETCHER / MORGAN) - Shillibear (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:53:01 +0000

In 1861 a Woollaston Butcher is William Fletcher

One of his servants is young John Shillibear from Bristol

He marries a Mary and lives on the Common....

(I think the Shillibear/Shillabeer/Shillabear etc surname is from Devon )

1851
George Lewis abt 1824 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston Monmouthshire
Thomas Lewis abt 1776 Alvington, Gloucestershire, England Head Woolaston Monmouthshire
John Shellabean abt 1806 Modbury, Devon, England Son in Law Woolaston Monmouthshire
Hannah Shellabean abt 1805 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Monmouthshire
John Shellabean abt 1842 Bristol, Somerset, England Grandson Woolaston Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ann Shellabean abt 1846 Bristol, Somerset, England Granddaughter Woolaston Monmouthshire
Sarah Ann Shellabean abt 1845 Bristol, Somerset, England Granddaughter Woolaston Monmouthshire

1861
John Shillabear abt 1844 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Servant Woollaston Gloucestershire

1871
Mary Shillabear abt 1848 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Swansea Glamorgan

1881on Woolaston Common
Mary Shillibear abt 1849 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife (Head) Common, Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Shillibear abt 1873 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Common, Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England
Bertha Shillibear abt 1878 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Common, Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England
Lily Shillibear abt 1880 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Common, Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England
Minnie Shillibear abt 1876 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Common, Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England

1891 on Woolaston Common
Shellibeer, Mary abt 1847 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Woolaston Gloucestershire
Shellibeer, Bertha abt 1877 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Gloucestershire
Shellibeer, Lily abt 1879 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Gloucestershire
Shellibeer, Mary F abt 1885 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Gloucestershire
Shellibeer, Minnie abt 1875 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Gloucestershire
Shellibeer, William abt 1888 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston Gloucestershire

SHILLIBIER, William James
Record Type: Births
Quarter: September
Year: 1887
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 13

Morgan Origins ( FLETCHER / MORGAN) (reply)

Kathy Fletcher — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:11:45 +0000

Thanks so very much for the information you provided. Very much appreciated.
Would be very interested in hearing from anyone still living in the area. Have been attempting to find anyone who may be related to any of John Fletcher's siblings. Brother Alfred never married, Joseph never married from anything I can find. Have no other knowledge of Sarah, Emily or Armaday. Do know that at time of WWII, U.S. family in touch with cousins in England by the surname of Schillibear. Have no knowledge of where they were located or how they were related. Joseph Fletcher (1853) lodged with a family headed by Mary Schillibear in Woolaston in 1881 and 1891 (residence-Commons). In any case thank you for your help in the past, and any future help that may come my way.

Morgan Origins- an opinion (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:05:02 +0000

My dad did tell me that Morgan means " by the sea " Is that true?

"Welsh Surnames", T. J. Morgan and Prys Morgan, University of Wales Press, 1985.

Dr. Prys Morgan warns of the dangers inherent in explaining the meaning of a name which was probably in use for many centuries before the time of the first surviving Welsh manuscripts but it is safe to say that his opinion must hold great weight.

The elements of Morgan can be seen in the earliest spelling of Morcant ( Old Welsh). 'Mor' is probably from the Welsh word Mawr 'great' and 'cant' is 'hundred' with a secondary meaning of 'herd' or 'throng'. Hyddgant became Hyddgan, which means a herd of deer. The same elements differently mixed up can be seen in the names Morien, Morfudd and Gwygant or Gwrgan (this gives rise to Worgan and Wargent and other names). 'Great throng' with the suggestion of battle throng, seems to be a typical wishful name to give to a boy.

http://www.data-wales.co.uk/morgname.htm

Morgan Origins ( FLETCHER / MORGAN) (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:49:08 +0000

1851 Upper Hamlet, Woolaston
George Fletcher abt 1811 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Woolaston Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1812 Bristol, Somerset, England Wife Woolaston Monmouthshire
Alfred Fletcher abt 1843 Wollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston Monmouthshire
Armida Fletcher abt 1848 Wollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Monmouthshire
Emely Fletcher abt 1841 Wollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Monmouthshire
John Fletcher abt 1839 Wollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston Monmouthshire
Sarah Fletcher abt 1845 Wollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston Monmouthshire

1861 Oakwood Bream, home of Charles Jones
John Fletcher abt 1838 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire

1851 Bream Woodside
Dianna Morgan abt 1789 Newland Deaf, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1821 Newland Deaf, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Carmala Morgan abt 1845 Newland Deaf, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire

1861 Bream Woodside
Deanah Morgan abt 1792 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1825 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Carmela Morgan abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland Gloucestershire

August 1869 left for America

Whitcliff Pottery nr Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:55:36 +0000

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=641

Morgan Origins (reply)

Carmel Boyle — Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:41:08 +0000

My great grandmother's name was Lucy Watts (born about 1855) her father John Watts operated a Pottery in Whitecliff, Gloucester, around 1840 onwards. His father, also John, operated the pottery before that date. The pottery continued in operation until about 1880 or thereabouts. Lucy's parents were John Watts and Eliza Morgan. Eliza was born about 1819 and her parents were Richard and Sarah Morgan (I think). They had several other children. I live in Australia so cannot join your Society but would be interested to hear from anyone who thinks they might be related to me. I have found it very difficult to access birth records from Newland and therefore cannot be absolutely sure of dates, I only have Census records to go by. My father's and my grandfather's second christian name was Morgan.

Alexander Morgan Funeral 1950 (reply)

admin — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:04:58 +0000

Newspaper Clipping of Alexander Morgan who was a Lydbrook Ferryman.
http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/morgans_lydbrook/

Thomas M - Joys Green , Lydbrook 1851 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:07:03 +0000

1851 East Dean

MORGAN Thomas 27 Coal Miner Ruardean
Elizabeth 24 East Dean
Isaac 3 Lydbrook
Harriet 7m Lydbrook

Morgan Origins (reply)

Carol Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:28:16 +0000

Another hello from New Zealand
My Morgan roots are a bit further removed. However, my great-great-grandmother was Roseanna (with various spellings) Morgan and she was married to Thomas Blake in 1835 in Bridstow, Herefordshire. I have her in two census reports as having been born in Walford (which was my mother's family name)
My great-grandfather, Albert Walford was born in Lydbrook.
Roseanna Morgan was the daughter of Thomas Morgan and Jane Preece.
Any more information would be gladly welcomed.
Thank you very much
Kind regards
Carol Walsh
Christchurch
New Zealand

Lydia M - Camomile Green , Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:35 +0000

1861

Blanch Morgan abt 1857 Cammomile Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1827 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriot Morgan abt 1850 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Morgan abt 1848 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Lyda Morgan abt 1859 Cammomile Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Morgan abt 1825 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Morgan abt 1861 Cammomile Green, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

Morgan Origins -Lydbrook (reply)

Eandka — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:52:13 +0000

Does anyone have a Lydia Morgan in their family? (born c 1859, Lydbrook, parents-Thomas and Elizabeth (RG10/5300/86/14); married 1876 (Monmouth) to William John CULLIS, born c 1856, English Bicknor; mother of Blanche who was the first wife of one of my grandma's brothers) Eandka

Morgan Origins (reply)

Allan White — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:26:53 +0000

Hi Jim,
I too am researching Thomas Henry Morgan & family, perhaps we could exchange notes.
Regards
Allan White,Tidenham Chase.

Morgan Origins (reply)

James Scott — Sun, 08 May 2005 06:15:19 +0000

Hi.... Though I am not to my knowledge a descendant of the Morgans, I am interested in finding out as much as possible about Thomas Henry MORGAN of Tidenham House.

I am also advised that there was some sort of business arrangements with Izett STEWART and Mr Francis Vernon LOCKEY of 'Ivy Rock' Tidenham in which my Grt Grandfather William EDWARDS was also involved.

Any information gratefully recieved

Thank you

Jim Scott

Morgan Origins (reply)

Gill Macmillan — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:13:25 +0000

Will not be able to attend your next meeting at Hay, as I am here in Australia.
My Grandmother was Linda Gertrude Morgan & spent her life in Ruardean.
Her Father Alexander Thomas Morgan married Emily Jane Shaw from Sellack. They also lived in the Forest
His father was Francis Morgan originally from Monmouth - a Shoemaker.

Morgan Origins (reply)

Kathy Fletcher — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:24:37 +0000

Hello - I'm wondering if I would qualify for membership in your society. My great grandmother was Carmalla Morgan of Bream's. She was born in Bream's in 1844, sailed for the United States in August 1871. By that time she had married my great-grandfather, John Fletcher of Woolaston, and was the mother of 3 sons, one of which was my grand father, Ernest Fletcher. I would be very interested in information on your society and would also be interested in hearing from someone from your area who would be interested in correspondence. Good luck with your annual meeting, wish I could be there.

Morgan Origins (reply)

Philip Wilks — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:22:35 +0000

I am following up Morgan links in Little Dean. Sadly, I cannot get to Hay on Wye, but should be interested in the outcome of the day. I wish you all success.

Morgan Origins (reply)

Sarah Morgan — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:37:06 +0000

Hello from New Zealand!

I have just seen your message and I am amazed that there is a Morgan Society! I am a Morgan and proud too!

My father was from the Forest Of Dean. I know nothing about my family roots and would dearly love to know more about my family name! If I was in England I would love to be at your meeting!

My father was from Lydbrook and came to N.Z in the 1960 but he died when I was a teenager and I was told very little about his family etc although I do know his parents names. My dad did tell me that Morgan means " by the sea " Is that true?

Sarah Morgan

Morgan Origins

David Morgan — Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:50:12 +0000

The Morgan Society would be pleased to hear from anyone researching Morgan connections in the Forest of Dean.

Our next Annual General Meeting will be at the Baskerville Arms, Clyro, near Hay on Wye on Saturday 14 May 10.00am start, and all Morgans are welcome to join us to discuss genealogy and history of the name.

David Morgan
President