Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Thomas Families of Oldcroft /Yorkley/ Viney Hill

Thomas Families of Oldcroft /Yorkley/ Viney Hill (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 20:17:41 +0000

Hello Chris,

If this is the right Eva I think you may be correct about the name she used at marriage to Richard SAUNDERS. Here she is in a later census,

GR 1881 Census, West dean, Old Croft

Benjamin THOMAS, Head, Mar, 57, Coal Miner, b. Gloshire, West Dean
Mary Ann, Wife, Mar, 52, Gloshire, Newland
Edwin, Son, Un, 16, Coal Miner, Gloshire, West Dean
Eva, Daur, 13, Scholar, Gloshire, West Dean
Richard, Son, 12, Scholar, Gloshire, West Dean
Florance, Daur, 12, Scholar, Gloshire, West Dean
Benjamin, Son, 10, Scholar, Gloshire, West Dean
Alice, Daur, 7, Scholar, Gloshire, West Dean

This seems to be her illegitimate daughter, Annie (Mary Ann),

FODFHT

Record_ID: 412366
Entry_Number:
Year: 1889
Month: Apr
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: mary Ann
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Eva
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Union
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

In 1901 Annie looks to be with her grandmother,

GR 1901 Census, West Dean, Oldcroft

Mary A THOMAS, Head, Wid, 66, b. Woolaston, Glos.
Edwin, Son, M, 34, Coal miner (Hewer), Oldcroft, Glos.
Jane, Daur in law, M, 34, Oldcroft, Glos.
Annie M A, Grand daur, 12, Oldcroft, Glos.
Ethel M, Grand daur, 4, Oldcroft, Glos.

This seems to show that the marriage didn’t turn out too well,

BNA Gloucestershire Chronicle - Saturday 14 May 1892
COLEFORD PETTY SESSIONS May 13

Eva Saunders summoned Richard Saunders, her husband, a collier, for assaulting her on the 26th September last year. The parties, who looked very young, had been married about two years, and there was one child four years old. The defendant had assaulted his wife, and then deserted her. He had been working in Cardiff. On being fined 20s. and ordered to pay 27s. costs, defendant said he would rather go to gaol. He was accommodated with one month’s hard labour.

This looks like Richard back with his family in 1901,

GR 1901 Census, West Dean, Viney Hill,

Harriett SAUNDERS, Head, Wid, 72, b. Oldcroft, Glos.
Samuel, Son, S, 44, Coal Miner, Oldcroft, Glos. Deaf. Time NK.
William, Son, S, 34, Coal Miner, Oldcroft, Glos.
Richard, Son, S, 29, Labourer General, Oldcroft, Glos.
Selina HOWELL, Granddaur, 10, Oldcroft, Glos. Cripple from (Birth?)
Fred SAUNDERS, Grandson, 13, Oldcroft, Glos.

Despite the anomalous age and marital status this must be Richard SAUNDERS. The family matches previous census entries for him. Deceased father’s name was George as per marriage record.

But where is Eva?

Thomas Families of Oldcroft /Yorkley/ Viney Hill (reply)

ChrisW — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:18:35 +0000

Did she marry Richard Saunders as Eva Mercy (her mother's maiden name?)

1891
Household Information
Street
Parish West Dean
Town Oldcroft
City
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Ecclesiastical District All Saints
Enumeration District 10
Municipal Ward
Parliamentary Borough Forest
Registration District Monmouth
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name Eva
Last Name Saunders
Birth Year 1867
Age 24
Birth County Gloucestershire
Birth Town West Dean
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Wife
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition Married
Archive Reference RG12
Folio 141
Page 20
Piece Number 4338
Person 2
First Name Richard
Last Name Saunders
Birth Year 1868
Age 23
Birth County Gloucestershire
Birth Town West Dean
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Occupation Coal Miner
Condition Married
Archive Reference RG12
Folio 141
Page 20
Piece Number 4338
Person 3
First Name Annie
Last Name Thomas
Birth Year 1890
Age 1
Birth County Gloucestershire
Birth Town West Dean
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Stepdaughter
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG12
Folio 141
Page 20
Piece Number 4338

From this site:

Record_ID: 3317
Entry_Number: 453
Year: 1890
Month: May
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Soudley Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: MERCY
Brides_Forenames: Eva
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Soudley Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Mercy
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benj[a]mn
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Howell
Witness_2: Edith Howell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: [In column for date] Whit Sunday
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 227
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: S536
Soundex_Bride: M620

From Gloucestershire BMD Indexes

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry

THOMAS Eva Matilda THOMAS THOMAS MERCY 1866 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 22 115

Will wait for Midge to return with some feedback in case I am looking at the wrong person!

Chris

Thomas Families of Oldcroft /Yorkley/ Viney Hill (reply)

ChrisW — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:20:19 +0000

Welcome Midge!

Could you please tell us the year and place Eva was born?

Regards
Chris

Is this the family in 1871? at Viney Hill

Street St Swithing House
Parish West Dean
Town
City
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 12
Municipal Ward
Parliamentary Borough
Registration District Monmouth
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Person 1
First Name Benjamin
Last Name Thomas
Birth Year 1833
Age 38
Birth Place England
Birth Town
Birth County Gloucestershire
Gender Male
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Occupation
Condition
Collections from Great Britain
Archive Reference RG10
Folio 17
Page 27
Piece Number 5299

Together with wife Mary Ann and children Edward R, Eva M (bc1866 West Dean) Florence, John, Mary, Richard, Thursa and William B?

Do you have her in later census' please? Did she marry before 1901?

Thomas Families of Oldcroft /Yorkley/ Viney Hill (reply)

midge15 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:48:45 +0000

Hello - I am looking for another Thomas family from Oldcroft. That of Benjamin and Mary Ann Thomas. They lived close by the family you are researching according to Ancestry. Its possible that Benjamin had at least one brother. Of particular interest iw the whereabouts of a daughter Eva in 1901. Should anyone be able to help I would be most grateful as she was my great grandmother.

SELBY - previous thread (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:44:06 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7158

Paul Selby son of Meshach Selby/Martha James (reply)

selbyfamily — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:35:25 +0000

To anyone interested in these families. Meshack and Martha Selby with their children, Paul and Mercy, went to Australia in 1855. I was originally told that Paul was murdered but no details were available. However, I have now found the following on the internet which shows it was an accidental death.

Sydney Morning Herald, Friday, 13 Nov 1868
FUNERAL.—The Friends of Mr. MESHACH SELBY
are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his late departed Son PAUL ; to move from his residence Wymes-street, Stanmore, THIS (Friday) AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock. W. CURTIS, Undertaker, Newtown.

Maitland Mercury 17.11.1868
Fatal Accident.-An inquiry was held at the Benevolent Asylum on Thursday, reporting the death of a young man named Paul Selby, who, it appeared met with his death from having fallen from a dray that he was driving, when the wheel passed over his body, causing fatal injuries to the lungs and brain,-A verdict of accidental death was returned.-S M. Herald Nov 13.

Sheila Selby

Enoch SELBY born in Hewelsfield 1850 (reply)

selbyfamily — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:54:49 +0000

How lovely to see someone enquiring about the Selbys. My husband is the great grandson of Enoch, son of Shadrach. His grandfather was George Selby. I have done a very full history of the Selby family which I can share with you. Let me know who your grandparents/parents are. If you want to write to me c/o my e-mail address I can send you lots of information.

Sheila

Enoch SELBY born in Hewelsfield 1850 (reply)

sjandjej — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:29:39 +0000

Hi Shelia
Just browsing the Forest of Dean website. We are also researching the Selby family and are descended from Enoch son of Shadrack. Which line is your ancestor?
Stephen and Jennifer

Margaret DARBY 1838 Hewlesfield (reply)

malnor — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:58:21 +0000

Hello Sheila,
My g.g.aunt Ellen Ward married Manoah Darby, hence my interest in the DARBY family.

I believe there are still SELBY's living in our area (Forest of Dean). Going back a while back Joe Selby ran Bream Post Office.

Maybe you you will find something of interest below.
Happy Hunting,
Malcolm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peter Darby
Born: Abt. 1766 in: Brockwear Common
Married: 05 Mar 1799 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Died: Apr 1847

Spouse: Elizabeth Darby
Father: William Darby
Mother: Elizabeth ?

CHILDREN
Name: Peter Darby
Born: 1801 in: Hewelsfield, Glos
Died: Mar 1880 in: Hewelsfield Common
Married: 16 Aug 1828 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Spouse: Margaret Lewis

Name: Uriah Darby
Born: Abt. 1812 in: Harthill, Hewelsfield, Glos
Died: Jan 1812 in: Hewelsfield Common

Name: Milo Darby
Born: Abt. 1799 in: Hewelsfield, Glos

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband: Peter Darby
Born: 1801
Married: 16 Aug 1828
Died: Mar 1880
Father: Peter Darby
Mother: Elizabeth Darby

Wife: Margaret Lewis
Born: 1806
Died: Mar 1889
in: Hewelsfield, Glos

CHILDREN
Name: Elial Darby
Born: Abt. 1829 in: Hart-hill, Hewelsfield, Glos

Name: Josiah Darby
Born: Abt. 1830 in: Brockweir Common, Glos.

Name: Mahala Darby
Born: Abt. 1832 in: Hewelsfield, Glos
Married: 26 Apr 1859 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Spouse: William Wood

Name: Thirza Darby
Born: Abt. 1834 in: Hewelsfield, Glos
Married: 18 Dec 1853 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Spouse: William Lewis

Name: Margaret Darby
Born: Abt. 1838 in: Hewelsfield, Glos
Married: Jun. Qtr 1876 in: Bristol
Spouse: Charles William Hill

Name: Manoah Darby
Born: 1841 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Died: 08 Aug 1915 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Married: 01 Oct 1862 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Spouse(1): Ellen Ward. b.1839 d.09 Oct 1879
Married: 04 Jun 1889 in: Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire,
Spouse(2): Matilda Price

Hewelsfield Memorial Inscriptions
H.S. In Memory of Ellen Darby died. Oct 9 1879 aged 40. Also Manoah husband of
the above died Aug 8 1915 aged 74, for 36 years Clerk of Hewelsfield Church. Also John s/o the above died May 24 1909 aged 31. Also Matilda Darby died Feb 24 1911 aged 72.
Also Thomas Ward died 1881, father of the above Ellen Darby.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Name: Judith Darby
Born: Abt. 1844 in: Hewelsfield, Glos
Married: Sep. Qtr 1872 in: Bristol
Spouse: William Henry Ellaway

SELBY / DARBY Hewlesfield thread (reply)

admin — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:57:11 +0000

SHEILA
YES I`M LIVING IN THE FOREST AND YES IVE GOT ALL MY INFO FROM VICKI AS WELL IF YOU NEED ANY INFO ON THE JAMES`S BACK FROM MARTHA I CAN SORT THAT FOR YOU JUST LET ME KNOW
TERRY
PS IF YOU SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADRESS THERE ARE A FEW SELBYS IN THE PHONE BOOK I COULD SCAN AND SEND TO YOU

Hewelsfield Gravestones Transcripts (reply)

selbyfamily — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:40:29 +0000

Thanks for that but nothing to be found there. Can you tell me if there are Parish Records still to be transcribed earlier in the 1700s than already done? This is where I may find what I am looking for. Sheila

Margaret DARBY 1838 Hewlesfield (reply)

selbyfamily — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:17:20 +0000

Slowhands, thanks for the information. I had got most of it but have no access to the 1851 census so that was helpful. Your 1841 version throws up slightly different spellings of names to the one I have but this may be helpful in finding the right names of the children on the parish records. I believe the "Mundiah" on the 1851 should be "Manoah". Sheila

SELBY / DARBY Hewlesfield thread (reply)

selbyfamily — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:47:38 +0000

Hi Terry

Nice to hear from you. I am in frequent contact with Vicki San Andres in Australia re Meshach Selby and Martha James. She has sent me a whole family history plus loads of photos. I presume you are in contact with her too. If you have any other photos/information, I would be pleased to receive them. How are you related to Martha and do you still live in the Forest? If you know of any other Selbys still living in the Forest I would love to know who they are. My husband's cousin still lives there, in Lydbrook, but I don't think there are any Selbys in Hewelsfield. Meshach's brother, John, lived in Ellwood/Clearwell and I wonder if there are any of his descendents still living there as I found a couple of fairly recent Selby marriages in the Birth/Death/Marriage Index.

Sheila

SELBY / DARBY Hewlesfield thread (reply)

TERRY JAMES — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:54:05 +0000

HI SHEILA
I`VE JUST COME ACROSS YOUR INTEREST IN THE SELBY`S.I HAVE A MARTHA JAMES BORN 12TH FEB 1830 IN BREAM WHO MARRIED MESHACK SELBY IN MAY 1848 AT ST PAULS PARKEND .THEY MIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA WITH THEIR TWO CHILDREN MERCY AND PAUL IF THIS IS OF ANY INTEREST TO YOU I HAVE SOME PHOTO`S AND INFO ON THIS BRANCH OF THE SELBY`S
TERRY JAMES

Margaret DARBY 1838 Hewlesfield (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:54:42 +0000

Year 1828
Month Aug.
Day 16

Groom Surname DARBY
Groom Forename(s) Peter
Groom Age at Marriage [not
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession [not stated]
Groom Residence Hewelsfield
Groom Father's Surname [not stated]
Groom Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Groom Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]

Bride Surname LEWIS
Bride Forename(s) Margaret
Bride Age at Marriage [not
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Hewelsfield
Bride Father's Surname [not stated]
Bride Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark He signs She marks
Witness 1 Mark of William Darby
Witness 2 Mark of Hannah Darby
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P175 IN 1/5
Page No 26
Parish/Chapel Hewelsfield

1841 Small Brook
Peter Darby abt 1801 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Margret Darby abt 1806 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Cecil Darby abt 1831 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mahala Darby abt 1836 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Margret Darby abt 1839 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mariah Darby abt 1840 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Thurza Darby abt 1836 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

1851 Smallbrook
Peter Darby abt 1801 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Marget Darby abt 1839 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Marla Darby abt 1833 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mundiah Darby abt 1841 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

James DARBY 1791 Hewlesfield (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:44:37 +0000

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JAMES DARBY
--------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 AUG 1791 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES DARBY
Mother: RACHEL
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C029191 1742 - 1812 0425439 Film 6911737 Film
Sheet: 00

Jane DARBY 1789 Hewlesfield (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:43:03 +0000

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JANE DARBY
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 05 JUL 1789 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England
--------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: JAMES DARBY
Mother: RACHEL
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
----------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C029191 1742 - 1812 0425439 Film 6911737 Film
Sheet: 00

suspect

James Darby Event(s):
Birth: About 1762 Of, Woolaston, Gloucester, England

Marriages:
Spouse: Rachel Lewis Marriage: 01 FEB 1787 Woolaston, Gloucester, England

Hewelsfield Gravestones Transcripts (reply)

admin — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:41:15 +0000

You maybe fortunate and pick up a little bit of additional information by
looking at Biglands Hewelsfield Gravestones Transcripts, which is available in
our Stories and Articles section of the Web site.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/stories-and-articles

Peter DARBY 1801 Hewlesfield (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:41:13 +0000

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PETER DARBY
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH DARBY
Marriage: 05 MAR 1799 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
--------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M029191 1742 - 1812 0425439 Film 6911738 Film
Sheet: 00

PETER DARBY
-------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 AUG 1805 Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England

Age at Christening: 4
--------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: PETER DARBY
Mother: ELIZABETH
------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
----------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C029191 1742 - 1812 0425439 Film 6911737 Film
Sheet: 00

SELBY / DARBY Hewlesfield thread (reply)

selbyfamily — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:55:58 +0000

Please can someone help me. I am researching the Selby family of Hewelsfield which I have done as far as I can go at the moment. I have now started on the Darbys. There are Darbys on two sides of my husband's family. Firstly Jane Darby married to John Selby (1795); secondly Margaret Darby (c 1840), husband Charles William Hill, who was my husband's great grandmother (mother of Margaret Harriet Hill who was married to George Selby, gggrandson of John). I believe Margaret Darby was a daughter of Peter Darby (c 1801) and Margaret Lewis and sister of Manoah Darby - gravestone in Hewelsfield churchyard. What I really want to find is the connection, if any, between Jane Darby and Peter Darby. The Parish Records at the moment do not go back far enough to find their parents - is there somewhere else I could look? There are about 8 lots of parents in the baptisms (late 1700s-early 1800s) who could be brothers and sisters but the marriages do not state the parents which is very frustrating. Jane's parents were James Darby and Rachel Lewis and Peter's parents were Peter and Elizabeth (both surnames Darby on the marriage certificate - so who was Elizabeth?). Maybe James and Peter were brothers. I would be most grateful for any help you can give me.

Sheila