Forest of Dean FHT Forum - PARLOR/JORDAN

PARLOR/JORDAN (reply)

calzeat — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:58:37 +0000

I have been researching the Parlors and believe that John Parlor (1770) married twice. First to Elizabeth Gardiner and then, after her death, to Anne Bays.

Year 1770
Month Dec
Day 2
Parents Surname PARLER
Child Forenames John
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda added info from BT surname Parlour

Year 1797
Month May
Day 21
Grooms Surname PARLOW
Grooms Forenames John
Grooms Residence Newland
Brides Surname JORDAN
Brides Forenames Elizabeth
Brides Residence Newland

Year 1798
Month Oct
Day 18
Surname PARLO
Forenames Elizabeth
Burial
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

Year 1799
Month Feb
Day 5
Grooms Surname PARLA
Grooms Forenames John
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Residence Newland
Brides Surname BAYS
Brides Forenames Anne
Brides Residence Newland
Parish Chapel Newland

In the record of John's marriage to Anne he is a "batchelor" and that does sew a seed of doubt but my theory does explain why John & Ann appear together on the 1841 census.

PARLOR/JORDAN/COOK (reply)

Carole Lewis — Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:01:41 +0000

Again many thanks. After a careful re-read I think it really looks that Ann in the 1841 Census was John's wife and that there was a ten years disparity between their ages. I concur with your argument on names. I have noticed before baby girls baptised with quite fancy names revert to Ann in later censuses etc.I even have a theory that sisters sometimes swapped them.

Thank you again for all the leads you have given me here. Gaps in records when you get back to the 18th century always lead to areas of doubts and speculations. All my strands seem to lead to Meeks and Jordans.

PARLOR/JORDAN/COOK (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:18:14 +0000

As William was a Cordwainer, may be Elizabeth, peddled the shoes he made - or shoe tacks/leather/laces etc.

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Christening at English Bicknor, 4 January 1756 - Elizabeth JORDAN, father: William

There is a burial at Drybrook - 4 August 1845

Ann PARLOR of Joys Green age 87 c 1758

and John PARLOUR is on the 1851 census in Joys Green age 80 with the ROBERTS

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Burial 5 April 1857 at Drybrook

John PARLOR, Joys Green age 89 years c 1768 - burial details NY Stone

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The FOD advance search records need checking for births/marriages etc for JORDAN

FOD records

Baptism at English Bicknor 20 July 1800 (if you look at the previous records, there is a gap in baptisms 1798/1807 of John/Elizabeth)

Betty PARLOR, parents John & Ann

There is always a possibility, the mother's name was Elizabeth Ann - some of my family baptismal records, have the mother's name either Mary or Ann, (Anne appears to be the mother's name in this case).

As the FOD records, only give the father's name i.e. William

FOD records. English BICKNOR - baptism father's name William (although the mother's name appears to be Anne (nee COOK)

Sarah - 1762
Ann - 1758
Elizabeth - 1756

FOD records - Marriage at English Bicknor - 15 June 1755

William JORDAN of this Parish
married
Anne COOK of the Parish of Ruardean

by Banns - 1755 April 20, 27 and May 4

witnesses: Thomas MEEK and William DAVIS

Burial at English Bicknor - 3 March 1776

Anne JORDAN

PARLOR (reply)

Carole Lewis — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:11:53 +0000

Thank you for your reference to a previous thread which has led me to further queries. I have noticed that in the 1841 Census John Parlor is living with Ann Parlor who is recorded as ten years older than him. His wife would have appeared to have been Elizabeth Jordan who he married in 1797. Could Ann have been a sister?

In the 1851 Census John appears to be living with the Roberts family as "father-in-law". William Roberts was the cordwinder of Joys Green. In the census his wife Elizabeth, presumably John's daughter, is recorded as "a tinker". Gypsy? Any ideas?

PARLOR (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:46:35 +0000

previous thread on PALOR

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=24224

The question of being on the census twice has been discussed on this forum, and proven to happen.

If you use the Advance Search - and just put in the first three surname letters i.e. PAR

father: John, mother Elizabeth

you will find PARLAN/PARLEUR/PARLO/PARLER/PARLOUR from 1723 onwards

1723, PARLOUR, Ann - John/Elizabeth - Marstow

1770 - PARLER - John - John/Elizabeth - English Bicknor
1798 - PARLO - John - John/Elizabeth - English Bicknor
1800 - PARLOR - Betty - parents John/Ann

1807 - PARLAR - John - John/Elizabeth - Aston Ingham
1809 - PARLER - Mary - John/Elizabeth - Aston Ingham

1815 - PARLAN - Thomas & William - John/Elizabeth - Coleford, Shopkeeper

1819 - PARLAR - Henry - John/Elizabeth - Town of Newent, labourer, Newent

1823 - PARLOR - Elizabeth - John/Elizabeth - Ruardean Hill, Mason Drybrook
1825 - PARLOR - Tryphena - John/Elizabeth - Lidbrook, Mason, Drybrook
1828 - PARLOR - Hannah - John/Elizabeth - Lidbrook - Mason, Drybrook
1830 - PARLOR - Sarah - John/Elizabeth - Lidbrook, Stonecutter, Drybrook
1833 - PARLOR - John - John/Elizabeth - Lydbrook, Mason, Drybrook (he's on the 1861 census Lydbrook)
1835 - PARLOR - Thomas -John/Elizabeth - Lydbrook, Mason, Drybrook
1837 - PARLOR - George - John/Elizabeth - Lydbrook, Mason, Drybrook
1840 - PARLOUR - Eliza - John /Elizabeth - Lydbrook, Mason, Drybrook

1828 - PARLEUR - James - John/Elizabeth - Coleford, labourer, Coleford

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1851 Census, Glos West Dean
Lydbrook

PARLOR

John - 52, Mason, all born West Dean
Eliza - 51
Sarah - 20
John - 17 - Roller in Iron Works
Thomas - 15
George - 13
Mary A - 10

PARLOR - 1841 census (reply)

Carole Lewis — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:30:00 +0000

I must thank everyone who has responded with such wonderful information. I did not expect anyone to have the certificate. Brilliant! I now feel very secure on this marriage. The problem results to some extent on the spelling on names. Both Tryphena and Parlor are open to creative spelling.

To the last respondent I believe she appears in the 1841 census twice. The 1841 record quoted must, I believe, show her staying with her grandparents in Moorwood.I had originally thought her to have been an only child. However, I believe her father also included her on his return so she is recorded twice. I don't suppose anyone could write so the record must have been oral. I wonder whether this was a common error in the 1841 census?

PARLOR - 1841 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:19:51 +0000

1841 Census, Dean Forest, Ross
Extra Parochial St Briavels
Forge Hill

John PARLOR - 70 - Tiler, all born in County
Ann PALOR - 80
Transcribed as INFENA (Trifena) PALOR - 14

Dingestow Monmouthshire Parish Registers (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:11:35 +0000

Hi,
this site lists transcripts of many Dingestow Registers, you may find further usefull information there, although my quick glance last week didnt give the above record but ?.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/dingprt.htm

5 Sept 1846 William Morgan, X, 22, B, Collier, Dingestow: John Morgan, Collier
Tryphena Pastor, X, 21, S, Servant, East Dean, Gloucestershire: John Pastor, Mason
Wit- William Robinson; Mary Robinson

From this index of various Monmouthshire records
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm

Hope this helps.

Update 20:33.
Thanks for admin for inserting the above Marriage from the above page.
Could've sworn I searched for it last week, maybe that was another Monmouth query, never liked Friday 13ths!, think I'd better go and lie down in a dark place. Me...mad...yup!...... its sad, really. No.. really !
Maybe theres some earlier ancestors in there too... for someone else to find.

Marriage of William Morgan and Tryphena Parlor 1846 (reply)

unknown — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:45:09 +0000

Hallo I have Marriage certificate in front of me it reads as follows

Groom William Morgan Age 22 Occupation Collier
Bride Tryphena Parlor Age 21 Occupation Servent
Date 1846
Month September
Day 5th
Place Parish Church, Dingestow, Monhouth

Farther's
Name John Morgan, Occupation Collier
Name John Parlor, Occupation Mason

Residence William Morgan, Dingestow
Tryphena Parlor East Dean

Witness's William & Mary Robinson

Minster Thomas Morgan

William MORGAN and Tryphena PARLOR Lydbrook area (reply)

Carole Lewis — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:06:55 +0000

Many thanks Slowhands. It is as I suspected.

William MORGAN and Tryphena PARLOR Lydbrook area (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:34:50 +0000

Year: 1825
Month: May
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: PARLOR
Child_Forenames: Tryphena
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidbrook
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1847 MORGAN William William Tryphena East Dean Collier Bishopswood
1849 MORGAN Harriet William Tryfena Lydbrook Collier Drybrook
1860 MORGAN Elizabeth William Tryphena Lydbrook Collier West Dean Methodist
1862 MORGAN George William Tryphena Lydbrook Collier West Dean Methodist
1864 MORGAN Milson William Tryphena Readings Collier West Dean Methodist
1869 MORGAN Wallis William Tryfana Reddings Collier East Dean Methodist
1871 MORGAN not stated William Tryphona (Reddings) (Collier) East Dean Methodist

Not all non conformist registers survived or are available for transcription :-(

Marriage of William Morgan and Tryphena Parlor 1846

Carole Lewis — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:35:48 +0000

The marriage of the above appears in the Free BMDs as having taken place within the Monmouth Registration District in September 1846. I have been unable to locate the marriage in the parish records on this site. It is likely that the marriage was in a non-conformist chapel.

Have all the non-conformist registers transcribed? Are there any known gaps around 1846? Would be grateful for any help.

Thanks in anticipation.
Carole