My x Grandad William Wickenden born 1843 in Gloucestershire, his Mother’s maiden name was Green

He was a Miller and got into debt, on one Census, he is living with his Son, in Blakeney, Forest of Dean, then moved to Swindon, Wiltshire to work as a labourer for the Great Western Railways.

Probably to hide his identity, on two census returns he and his Wife’s surname is GREEN and his Son and my Grandson are listed as Wickenden, living with him and are classed as lodgers.

His death certificate gives his correct surname.

Some people were scared of being found and thought census returns would be used to find them. Also alias surnames were common in Gloucestershire, my paternal line had alias as surnames.

National Archives Apprentice Records —.

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Apprentices and Masters - The National Archives …

You may find him, however, it does state that there were informal indentures with fathers often teaching sons and nephews with common trades such as weaving etc. and Edward was a weaver of carpets.

Look at the names he gave his children, his father’s name would more often than not used.

Look for other Whittington weavers and of course DNA.

My x Grandad in around 1871 just after my Grandad was born, left his Wife and family in Bristol, got on a boat to Chile and never returned. Through DNA and documents, we’ve discovered he had children with a local woman in Santiago, then married another lady. He did name a Son after one of his brothers and a daughter after his Wife he deserted! So Christian names were and are still relevant.

Is this the trial? Year 1818

Edward Whittington, Samuel Solomon and William Haines, were indicted for stealing on the 25th September, from the person of Andrew Anderson one Il. Ban note, his property,

The prosecutor not appearing, the prisoners were Acquitted.

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr Recorder.

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One would assume Edward aged about 15/ 18 years would have served an Apprenticeship, or still an Apprentice.
May be there are Apprenticeship records.

What names did Edward give his children, as there is normally a naming pattern, ie Father, Mother, siblings etc.

His Edward Whittington was charged with stealing in Sept 1818. His Old Bailey record says he was born c 1800 in Gloucestershire. He was a carpet manufacturer. In December 1818 he was again charged with stealing. He used the name Edward Williams, born Gloucestershire c 1800, carpet maker.
I haven't found any other Edwards born around this period.
I did find a Thomas Whittington bc 1795 in some court records on Ancestry. He was found not guilty.

Any help to confirm or eliminate Edward would be appreciated.
Regards
Cai

Thomas did as you say marry Mary, one daughter Ann Selina 1860/1862. Richard 1829 had 8 children with Ann Whittington nee Whittington, Joseph 1831 had 12 children with my 6th cousin 3 times removed Lydia Mason 1831

The grandchildren you mention are the children of Harriett Whittington 1832, daughter of Thomas Whittington & Anne Brown. Harriett had 3 children John Frederick 1851 who went on to marry my 3rd cousin 4 times removed Elizabeth Read, Caroline 1854/1884 and Priscilla 1854/1864. I believe the father could be a Thomas Jones. Harriett went on to marry William Colwell 1831 in 1856, they had 3 children Albert Henry William 1856/1939 who married Mary Ann Price Gore - 9 children. William Colwell & Harriett also had a daughter Julia 1859 who kept up the family tradition and had 3 illegitimate children Hubert Frederick Colwell 15 Feb 1879, Osborne William Colwell 1881 & Alice Lavinia Beatrice Colwell 1889.

Jim Ashton

Thanks, Hilary

I grewup in the eastern Forest and thought I had a decent knowledge of the area, cycled and driven quite a lot of it too. Sadly this and my best O level grade (Geography) didnt help in my FH researches particularly for my Lydbrook line t'other side of Ruardean Hill. This last year I've discovered so much new about the local parishes, village locations, etc etc, you just don't get the whole story driving around. This site's maps plus the excellent Genuki site have been a Godsend. Good luck !

Have a good look around this site.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Walford/Gaz1868.html

Although I know roughly how far apart they are, I have used Microsoft Autoroute to establish this exactly, but if you want to find the distance between places use Google.

You will find that a lot of marriages took place in Walford during a period when the vicar of Ruardean lived there. I have found this noted on the Parish Records for Ruardean.

Jim Ashton

Year: 1821
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGHAM
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Morse
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841
George Ward abt 1821 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Ward abt 1821 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Henry Whittington abt 1826 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1851 Aberystruth
Henry Withington 30 Newland
Sarah Withington 22 Whitchurch
Hannah Withington 2 Aberystruth
John Parise 31 Newland Lodger
Edward Morgen 24 Ruardean Lodger

1861
Henry Withington abt 1822 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Withington abt 1829 Herefordshire, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Withington abt 1848 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emma Withington abt 1851 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Withington abt 1854 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Withington abt 1856 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1871 Blaina
Henry Whittington 50 Lydbrook
Sarah Whittington 48
Emma Whittington 19
Sarah Whittington 16
Thomas Whittington 14
Charllotte Whittington 6
Henry Whittington 3
Joseph Whittington 5 Months

1881
Henry Whittington abt 1821 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Whittington abt 1824 Whitchurch, Hereford, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Whittington abt 1856 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Charlotte Whittington abt 1865 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Henry Whittington abt 1868 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Joseph Whittington abt 1871 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Maria Whittington abt 1876 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Name: Henry Whittington
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1890
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 51

1851 Census East Dean
10
WHITTINGTON Thomas 58 Collier Lydbrook
Ann 57 Macon Camarthan:
Richard 22 Collier St. Briavels
Joseph 20 Collier St. Briavels
Harriet 18 St. Briavels
Thomas 15 Collier St. Briavels
John 7m East Dean

I have another Thomas Whittington baptised 14 Sep 1794 English Bicknor to a John Whittington 1755/1842 & Anne Powell 1762/1842. Thomas Whittington 1754 & John Whittington 1755 are brothers, parents being John Whittington & Elizabeth Jones.

To confuse matters further, there is this :

Year: 1825
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: extraparochially
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HUSSEY
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: extraparochially
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Sarah Hussey
Witness_2: Thomas Hussy
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/6
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Walford

Jim Ashton

just to help in the PR's 2 are baptised in 1794 !

1841
Thomas Whittington abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Anne Whittington abt 1796 Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Richard Whittington abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Joseph Whittington abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Harriet Whittington abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Thomas Whittington abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire

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Year: 1786
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGHAM
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Walter
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Walford

1851 Strip and At It Colliery
Thomas Whitington abt 1793 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Whitington abt 1794 Macon, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Whitington abt 1829 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Whitington abt 1831 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Whitington abt 1833 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Whitington abt 1836 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Thos Wittington abt 1787 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Wittington abt 1793 South, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Wittington abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Wittington abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Priscilla Wittington abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Surname: WHITTINGTON
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Strip and at it
Age_at_death: 77 years {inferred birth 1785/86}
Officiating_Minister: H.G Nicholls
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Burial Details-N.Y.13r 3g
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 175
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871 Pludds
Ann Whittington 78 Machen Monmouthshire
John Whittington 20 East Dean
Caroline Whittington 16 East Dean
Author George Whittington 7 East Dean
Allen James Whittington 5 East Dean

Year: 1875
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Surname: WHITTINGTON
Forenames: Ann
Residence: High Beech
Age_at_death: 82 {inferred birth 17932/93}
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY 13 Row 13 G
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 88
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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I'm sure I have seen some HUSSEY / HUZZEY connections with the Walford area before on here

Baptism
17 Jun 1798
Thos s/o John Huzzy, forge man