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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what amazingly kind people you all are. Your info confirms what it has taken me 3 months to discover!!!  I did find Joseph Grindon on the Westbury site but had hoped that there might have been a work connection as he was also a cordwainer as well as Parish factotum. Two things puzzle me though - a) George Dean was a clerk, and without wishing to be unkind, I can't think what would have prompted him to choose Westbury as a place to find work as there can't have been many opportunities in the area - as a clerk he would have been literate so maybe Mary went into service after George found her the position in a newspaper (wild speculation) and then went with her, but they weren't married which was a bit daring at that time, and b) I haven't found any other connection with the area, so what took Florence back only to return to Kingswinford several months later with a cloud hanging over her head! </p>
<p>So many questions, maybe we shall never know, but I shall still keep on delving and who knows?  My thanks to you all and any further thoughts/hints/guesses much appreciated. Jan</p>
<p>P.S. The Westbury Court connection is pure speculation because family gossip has it that Florence worked at the &quot;big house&quot; and from the description she gave, Westbury Court fits the bill, although there are presumably other &quot;big houses&quot; in the area, however, the Wooldridge name must surely tell a story as there is no father shown on Alfred's birth certificate, or is it a red herring?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florence Elizabeth was probably born in Bilson Green, Cinderford.</p>
<p>Burial entry for Joseph Grindon (22 November 1889) tells us that he was Parish Clerk for 46 years and this is the most likely reason he was a witness at the wedding of George and Mary Ann.<br />
In the 1851 Census Joseph Grindon is described as an Assistant Overseer and Parish Clerk which indicates an involvement with the running of the Workhouse at Westbury on Severn.  <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol10/pp97-98">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol10/pp97-98</a></p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GR 1871 Census, Kingswinford, 7 Stars Inn</p>
<p>Hannah BAKER, Head, Widow, 52, Publican, b. Bromley, Worcs<br />
John Henry BAKER, Son, Un, 15, b. Kingswinford, Staffs<br />
Mary A.D. VALLANCE, Dau, Mar, 34, b.<br />
Joseph VALLANCE, Son-in-Law, Mar, 32, Shoemaker, b. Coventry<br />
Florence E. DEAN, Dau, 10, b. Forest of Dean<br />
George B. DEAN, Son, 9, b. Kingswinford, Staffs<br />
Jane WARRALL, Dau, Mar, 21, b. Kingswinford, Staffs<br />
Wm WARRALL, Son-in-Law, Mar, 22, Butcher, b. Kingswinford, Staffs</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The birth of Florence Elizabeth is registered. This entry from Glos BMD:<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
DEAN Florence Elizabeth DEAN DEAN BAKER 1860 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 20 357</p>
<p>It would appear that it has been indexed incorrectly in the GRO Index. I suspect that this is the one being sought.<br />
Births Jun 1860<br />
Green  Florence Elizabeth    Westbury on S  6a 184</p>
<p>This is from the 1861 Census:<br />
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
91 George B Dean Head 26 1835 Male Kingsinford Staffordshire England<br />
91 Mary A Dean Wife 26 1835 Female Kingsinford Staffordshire England<br />
91 Florance E Dean Daughter 11/12 1860 Female Kingsinford Staffordshire England</p>
<p>It would appear that George Bayliss Dean died in 1867:<br />
Deaths Jun 1867<br />
Dean  George Bayliss  33  Stourbridge  6c 108</p>
<p>and Mary Ann remarried:<br />
Marriages Mar 1870<br />
DEAN  Mary Ann    Stourbridge  6c 204<br />
VALLANCE  Joseph    Stourbridge  6c 204</p>
<p>Not found them in the 1871 Census. This is the 1881:</p>
<p>Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
79 Hall St Mary A. Vallance Head Married 44 1837 Female Fruiterer Kingswinford Staffordshire England<br />
79 Hall St Florence E. Dean Daughter  20 1861 Female Fruiterer Bilstree Green Gloucestershire England<br />
79 Hall St Alfred W. Dean Son  2 1879 Male Scholar Dudley Worcestershire England<br />
79 Hall St George B. Dean Son      19 1862 Male Carter Out Of Employ Kingswinford Staffordshire</p>
<p>This is the birth registration of Alfred Wooldridge Dean:<br />
Births Mar 1879<br />
Dean  Alfred Wooldridge    Dudley  6c 133</p>
<p>Florence's marriage in 1884:<br />
Marriages Mar 1884<br />
Dean  Florence Elizabeth Dudley  6c 18<br />
Ennis  Horace    Dudley  6c 18</p>
<p>The Ennis family in 1891:<br />
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country<br />
Horace Ennis Head Male 30 1861 Dudley Worcestershire England<br />
Florrie E Ennis Wife Female 30 1861 Forest of Dean Gloucestershire England<br />
Alfred Ennis Son Male 12 1879 Dudley Gloucestershire England<br />
Florence Ennis Daughter Female 4 1887 Dudley Gloucestershire England<br />
Minnie Ennis Daughter Female 6 1885 Dudley Gloucestershire England<br />
Joseph Valance Stepfather Male 56 1835 Coventry</p>
<p>and Alfred in 1911:<br />
1911 Census:<br />
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place Address<br />
Alfred Ennis Head 1880 31 Male Married  Drayman Dudley, Worcestershire <br />
Florrie Ennis Wife 1883 28 Female Married 10  Worcestershire <br />
Horace Ennis Son 1903 8 Male   scholar Worcestershire <br />
Joseph Ennis Son 1904 7 Male   scholar Worcestershire <br />
Minnie Ennis Daughter 1908 3 Female    Worcestershire <br />
William Ennis Son 1910 9/12 Male    Worcestershire <br />
Laura Finch Sister-in-law 1890 21 Female Single   Worcestershire </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jan</p>
<p>There were no penalties for the non-registration of births until 1875 (or thereabouts!)</p>
<p>Some people just did not bother to do it.</p>
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Regards<br />
Chris</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this info. I did have a look at the LDS site but obviously not in the right place, however, after struggling with the revised format I gave up. I can't find her on the BMD though which is strange. At least that is one more box ticked! Thanks again, Jan</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s her baptism from LDS,</p>
<p>Name: Florance Elizabeth DEAN<br />
Gender: Female<br />
Christening Date: 03 Nov 1861<br />
Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford, England<br />
<strong>Birth Date: 14 May 1860</strong><br />
Birthplace: <br />
Death Date: <br />
Name Note: <br />
Race: <br />
Father's Name: George Baylis DEAN<br />
Father's Birthplace: <br />
Father's Age: <br />
Mother's Name: Mary Ann DEAN<br />
Mother's Birthplace: <br />
Mother's Age: <br />
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1<br />
System Origin: England-EASy<br />
GS Film number: 1470583<br />
Reference ID: item 2 p 393</p>
<p>&quot;England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N62Y-JQ8 : accessed 8 February 2015), Florance Elizabeth Dean, 03 Nov 1861; citing , reference item 2 p 393; FHL microfilm 1,470,583.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone please help with information re George Bayliss Dean bap 1834 in Kingswinford, Staffs. George was one of 7 children bn to Timothy Dean and Sarah Hall. George m Mary Ann Baker in Westbury on Severn in 1859; witnesses were Joseph Grindon and Hannah Martin. George and Mary Ann had a dtr - Florence Elizabeth bn 1860 in Bilstree Green, Glos but I can't find Bilstree Green or any record of the birth of Florence anywhere in England. Family  rumour has it that Florence went back to the Forest of Dean from Kingswinford and later had a son, Alfred Wooldridge Dean, who then took the surname of Ennis when Florence m Horace Ennis. Rumour also indicates a connection with Westbury Court. maybe Florence, George or Mary Ann worked on the estate. I also wondered if George worked for or with Joseph Grindon?</p>
<p>I have really hit the &quot;brick wall&quot; and would be so pleased to hear if any of these names rings a bell. Thank you, Jan Coleman.</p>
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