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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like her in 1901,</p>
<p>GR 1901 Census, The Glebe House,  Hardwicke, Glos. (Wheatenhurst District)</p>
<p>John Proctor Humphris CLARK, Head, M, 43, Clerk in Holy Orders, b. Worcs, Offenham, Evesham<br />
Edith Ann, Wife, M, 31, Glos, Bristol<br />
Adelaide Louise WOOD, S, Serv, 25, General Servant Domestic, London SE, Old Kent Road</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil,<br />
I'm pleased you actually knew far more than appeared to be the case.  It was clearly a challenging search, and in retrospect I clearly should have waited for more clarification from you, sorry for leading the thread on a wild goose chase re Lily Gardiner.<br />
Please, next time, can you tell us all you know at the very beginning.</p>
<p>-----</p>
<p>At least I found the correct William, thanks Mike for confirming my suspicions.</p>
<p>Following-on from the 1911 Census posted earlier, here's his father and grandparents in earlier years, all from the FamilySearch site.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1901 Census; Bristol Road, Hardwicke, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  54  Deal Porter Timber Yards. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  51  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire<br />
Edgar James Fluck  Son  M  26  Groom (Domestic). Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Austin Henry Fluck  Son  M  22  Deal Porter Timber Yards. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Sidney Charles Fluck  Son  M  15  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Sarah Edith Fluck  Daughter  F  14  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Winnie Gladys Fluck  Grand Daughter  F  6  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire<br />
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<p>This record may possibly be investigated more fully using the FindMyPast site</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Austin Henry Fluck<br />
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records<br />
Name  Austin Henry Fluck<br />
Event Type  Military Service<br />
Event Year Range  1806-1915<br />
Event Place  United Kingdom<br />
Birthplace  Gloucestershire<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1879<br />
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<p>---<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1891 Census;  Green, Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  44  Dock Laborer. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  41  Gloucestershire, England<br />
James E Fluck  Son  M  16  Under Groom Out Of Employment. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Austin H Fluck  Son  M  12  Scholar. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Sidney C Fluck  Son  M  5  Gloucestershire, England<br />
Sarah E Fluck  Daughter  F  4  Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1881 Census;  Hardwicke Green, Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  34  Deal porter. Hardwicke, England<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  31  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Martha C Fluck  Daughter  F  7  Hardwicke, England<br />
James E Fluck  Son  M  6  Hardwicke, England<br />
Austin H Fluck  Son  M  2  Hardwicke, England<br />
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I THINK this is possibly Henry's family<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1871 Census;  Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
James Fluck  Head  M  62  Ag labourer. Standish, Gloucestershire<br />
Martha Fluck  Wife  F  64  Housekeeper. Quedgeley, Gloucestershire<br />
Thomas Copner  Stepson  M  33  Ag labourer. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Mary Copner  Stepdaughter  F  27  Hardwick, Gloucestershire<br />
Henry Fluck  Son  M  24  Ag lab. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Edwin Fluck  Son  M  21  Ag lab. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire</span></p>
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<p>Here's Adelaide's death record, confirming her birth c1877;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Mother/Spouse/Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Deaths Sep 1958   (&gt;99%)<br />
TOWNSEND  Adelaide L  81  Gloucester C.  7b 347<br />
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Adelaide Louise/Louisa Wood is not a rare name in London, but this seems the most likely fit for her birth record ?<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1875   (&gt;99%)<br />
Wood  Ada Louise     St. Saviour  1d 129 </span></p>
<p>Ada is short for Adelaide, and the 1911 Census suggests her birthplace as Old Kent Road, London, which is in the district of St Saviour, Southwark.</p>
<p>Yet still struggling to find her in census' prior to the 1911, perhaps due to the limitations of the FamilySearch site and not seeing actual census images.<br />
??</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The death registration in 2002 is extremely helpful as it provides a date of birth:<br />
Name: Lily Fluck<br />
Death Age: 89<br />
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1913<br />
Registration Date: Nov 2002<br />
Registration district: Ross<br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire<br />
Register Number: 19B<br />
District and Subdistrict: 5241<br />
Entry Number: 235</p>
<p>and we are able to search the 1939 Register and find this household:</p>
<p>May Hill Kilcot Newent , Ross and Whitchurch R.D., Herefordshire, England<br />
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
Rosanna Gardiner 07 Apr 1872 Female Domestic Duties Married 1 75<br />
Leonard Gardiner 24 Jul 1907 Male Farm Labourer Single 2 75<br />
Lily Gardiner 14 Mar 1913 Female Domestic Servant Single 3 75</p>
<p>We have this birth registration:<br />
Births Jun 1913 <br />
Gardiner  Lily  Bosley  Westbury S.  6a 515</p>
<p>and marriage of parents:<br />
Year    1899<br />
Month    Aug<br />
Day    7<br />
Grooms Surname    GARDINER<br />
Grooms Forenames    Albert<br />
Grooms Age    33<br />
Groom Condition    bachelor<br />
Grooms Occupation    labourer<br />
Grooms Residence    Lea Bradley?<br />
Grooms Fathers Surname    GARDINER<br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames    Leonard<br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation    miner<br />
Brides Surname    BOSLEY<br />
Brides Forenames    Rose Hannah<br />
Brides Age    23<br />
Brides Condition    spinster<br />
Brides Occupation    <br />
Brides Residence    Aston Ingham<br />
Brides Fathers Surname    BOSLEY<br />
Brides Fathers Forenames    Jeremiah<br />
Brides Fathers Occupation    gardener<br />
Licence or Banns    banns<br />
Date of Banns    <br />
Signature or Mark    Both sign<br />
Witness 1    Thomas Bidmead<br />
Witness 2    Amelia Gardiner<br />
Other Witnesses    <br />
Officiating Minister    J Wilkinson Storey vicar<br />
Event    Marriage<br />
Memoranda    <br />
Notes    <br />
Register Reference    P155 IN 1/9<br />
Page Number    37<br />
Parish Chapel    Gorsley</p>
<p>Albert’s baptism can also be found on this site.</p>
<p>As for William H Fluck we have this possible:</p>
<p>Name: William Henry J Fluck<br />
Death Age: 89<br />
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1905<br />
Registration Date: Sep 1994<br />
Registration district: Gloucester<br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire<br />
Register Number: B43<br />
District and Subdistrict: 4831B<br />
Entry Number: 127</p>
<p>and Probate Index provides a little more information which suggests a good match:<br />
Name: William Henry Jesse Fluck<br />
Death Date: 2 Sep 1994<br />
Death Place: Little Gorsley Kilcot Newent Glos<br />
Probate Date: 11 Nov 1994<br />
Registry: Oxford</p>
<p>This is the 1939 Register Entry:<br />
Townsend Household (2 People)<br />
The Quan Bristol Road , Gloucester R.D., Gloucestershire, England<br />
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
Adelaide L Townsend 04 Oct 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 44 1<br />
William H Fluck 28 Sep 1905 Male Raf Transport Driver Single 44 2</p>
<p>His birth registration from GRO online Index:</p>
<p>FLUCK, WILLIAM  HENRY JESSE            WOOD <br />
GRO Reference: 1905  D Quarter in WHEATENHURST  Volume 06A  Page 337</p>
<p>which tells us that his mother’s maiden name is WOOD and we find this marriage:<br />
Marriages Sep 1904<br />
Fluck  Austin Henry    Wheatenhurst  6a 727<br />
Wood  Adelaide Louise  Wheatenhurst  6a 727</p>
<p>Austin FLUCK died:<br />
Deaths Jun 1911 <br />
Fluck  Austin H  32  Wheatenhurst  6a 207</p>
<p>and Adelaide married again:<br />
Marriages Sep 1921<br />
Fluck  Adelaide L  Townsend  Wheatenhurst  6a 861<br />
Townsend  Frank  Fluck  Wheatenhurst  6a 861</p>
<p>Frank died:<br />
Deaths Mar 1923<br />
TOWNSEND  Frank  54  Gloucester  6a 362</p>
<p>Probate granted to Adelaide Louise Townsend<br />
Name: Frank Townsend<br />
Death Date: 19 Mar 1923<br />
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England<br />
Probate Date: 31 Mar 1923<br />
Registry: Gloucester</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff</p>
<p>Hope you are well</p>
<p>We'll I found lily fluck died 2002 ross district</p>
<p>And it does state she was born 1913 ?? This on family search site</p>
<p>Also that the marriage may have been at Aston ingham near ross ??</p>
<p>Cannot find anything on William h fluck though</p>
<p>Regards Phil</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil,<br />
I only have access to the various free websites, but will try and help.</p>
<p>As you don't seem to know ages hence birthdates etc, I'm guessing they are no longer alive, and you don't know their place of burial etc ?. Please clarify, I'm sure you know but such info could be critical, thanks.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, searching FreeBMD for deaths for &quot;L FLuck&quot; - this one stands out to me, is there any chance she could be your Lily ?   I cannot find a cirresponding local birth record for this name, suggests she was married.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Deaths Sep 1954   (&gt;99%)<br />
FLUCK  Lilian  49  Gloucester R.  7b 393</span></p>
<p>Sadly no obvious Lilian Gardiner Births c1905 on FreeBMD, this is the best I can find. <span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Mar 1909   (&gt;99%)<br />
GARDINER  Lily     Ross  6a 436 </span> </p>
<p>Altho Gardner is quite a common surname in the Glos/Herefordshire(Ross) area, it seems that Gardiner is not, especially in Hereofrdshire, so to find one in Ross may be significant. Of course records may have spelling errors/variations so ???</p>
<p>Of course it's possible that her Ross marriage is a red-herring and not her home parish ?  Certainly, the excellent and highly-recommended &quot;FamilySearch&quot; site shows more than a few possibles in the Stroud area, Lily/Lilly/Lillian is a popular Gardiner name in that area from the 1870s or so onwards. I cannot see any obvious entries under Herefordshire.</p>
<p>Here's one example that seems plausible; </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1911 Census, Chalford, Glos, Stroud Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Dorcas Gardiner  Wife  F  51  Married. Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Kate Gardiner  Daughter  F  21  Pin worker. Gloshire Chalford<br />
Lionel Gardiner  Son  M  18  Carter, coal. Gloshire Chalford<br />
Helena Gardiner  Daughter  F  12  Glosshire Chalford<br />
Lily Gardiner  Daughter  F  9  Glosshire Chalford<br />
Percy Gardiner  Son  M  7  Glosshire Chalford<br />
John West  Son  M  6  Bisley, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p>Which looks like this this family (Bussage is very near Chalford);</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1901 Census, Chalford, Glos, Stroud Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Frederick J Gardiner  Head  M  36  Eastcombe, Gloucestershire<br />
Dorcas Gardiner  Wife  F  41  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
Alfred W West  Step Son  M  18  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
John W West  Step Son  M  16  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
Frances K Gardiner  Daughter  F  11  Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Frederick L Gardiner  Son  M  8  Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Helena D Gardiner  Daughter  F  2  Chalford, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><br />
There are many more records for this family on FamilySearch site including father Frederick's christening.</p>
<p>??</p>
<p>Unfortunately there seems to be quite a few William H Flucks in our general area esp Gloster/Stroud, altho most entries have the initial letter of a third name too.  It seems likely the H is for Henry.</p>
<p>Could this possibly be our man, born abt 1906 ?.</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1911 Census, Hardwicke, Gloucester, Wheatenhurst Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Austin Henry Fluck  Head  M  32  Dock labourer. Glosshire, Hardwicke<br />
Adelaide Louise Fluck  Wife  F  33  London Old Rd, Kent<br />
William Henry Fluck  Son  M  5  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Jessie Elizabeth Sarah Fluck  Daughter  F  3  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Phyllis Mary Fluck  Daughter  F  1  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p>Interestingly(given my earlier observations ref 3rd names) the nearest birth match on FreeBMD is this;<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Births Dec 1905   (&gt;99%)<br />
Fluck  William Henry J     Wheatenhurst  6a 337 </span></p>
<p>Corrsponding entry on GlosBMD is;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
FLUCK William Henry Jesse WOOD 1905 Gloucester Gloucester, Haresfield 13 76</span></p>
<p>Hoping this helps Phil, and more importantly is correct. Needs a lot more work of course !!</p>
<p>atb  Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Can anyone help please</p>
<p>A lily Gardiner married a william h fluck in ross district 1950 apr qtr</p>
<p>Trying to find the parents of both people</p>
<p>And where they were from</p>
<p>Regards Phil</p>
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