Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Joseph JONES 1856 Ruardean Hill

Joseph JONES 1856 Ruardean Hill (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:25:12 +0000

1851
John Jones abt 1811 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Jones abt 1815 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Enoch Jones abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Jones abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
James Jones abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Jones abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Jones abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1871 [!]
John Jans abt 1809 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Jans abt 1811 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Jans abt 1857 Ruardean; Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Joseph JONES 1856 - 1881 Cinderford / Popes Hill (reply)

Gill — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:45:33 +0000

As Josephs Father is shown as John Jones on the Marriage certificate of Joseph/Josiah & Sarah Ann

1861 Census
Head - John Jones 60, Berry Hill
Wife - Ann 47, East Dean
Son - Enoch 16, Newland
Daug - Esther 14, East Dean
Son - James 12, East Dean
Son - George 9, East Dean
Son - John 7, East Dean
Son - Joseph 5, East Dean
SOURCE RG9/1754, Folio 123, Page 4

1871 Census - not yet found - Help

1876 Marriage

1881 Census - agree with your findings, living in Yorkshire with children Elizabeth & William

Jones - Watkins - Roberts Photos (reply)

admin — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:54:48 +0000

Photos of a lot of people mentioned in this thread are in the Watkins of Ruardean section of the Gallery.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/watkins_ruardean/

Sarah Ann LUSTY (1855) nee ROBERTS / JONES (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:13:00 +0000

Name:Sarah Ann Jones
Name: Arthur Lusty
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 487

Year 1884
Month Dec
Day 25

Groom Surname LUSTY
Groom Forename(s) George
Groom Age at Marriage 38
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Cinderford
Groom Father's Surname Lusty
Groom Father's Forename(s) George
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier

Bride Surname JONES
Bride Forename(s) Sarah Ann
Bride Age at Marriage 34
Bride Condition Widow
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Cinderford
Bride Father's Surname Roberts
Bride Father's Forename(s) William
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Collier

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Thomas Meredith
Witness 2 Mark of Elisabeth Whittington
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda [In column for date] Christmas Day
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/5
Page No 193
Parish/Chapel Cinderford St Johns

1891
Authur Lusty abt 1846 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean Gloucestershire
Sarah A Lusty abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1877 R Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter Ruardean Gloucestershire
William J Jones abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Ruardean Gloucestershire

1901
Arthur Lurty abt 1843 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean Herefordshire
Sarah Ann Lurty abt 1844 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean Herefordshire
May Lurty abt 1873 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean Herefordshire
William Jones abt 1880 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Herefordshire

Joseph JONES 1856 - 1881 Cinderford / Popes Hill (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:05:24 +0000

Year 1856
Month Jan
Day 13

Parents Surname JONES
Child Forename(s) Joseph
Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence East Dean
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister T. M. Wetherell
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P 145 IN 1/7
Page No 41
Parish/Chapel Flaxley

1851 Hangmans Hill Flaxley
Thomas Jones abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1814 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones Tabt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Jones abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sushannah Jones abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Jones abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1835 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1861
Thomas Jones abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1812 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Jones abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
James Jones abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Jones abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Jones abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sussanah Jones abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Jones abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1871
Thomas Jones abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1815 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Daughter [Wife] East Dean
Charles Jones abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Jonesabt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Maryann Jones abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Susan Jones abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Sarah Ann Roberts
Name: Josiah Jones
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 492

1881
Joseph Jones . abt 1855 Lend...F...,[Cinderford] Gloucestershire, England Head Altofts Yorkshire
Sarah A. Jones abt 1855 Wardean, Hereford, England Wife Altofts Yorkshire
Elizabeth A. Jones abt 1877 Wardean, Hereford, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire
Willm. J. Jones . abt 1879 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Altofts Yorkshire

Name: Joseph Jones
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 26
District: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 11

Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855) (reply)

Gill — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:19:40 +0000

Hello Cousin Jim
Well we seem to be talking about the same Sarah Ann Roberts. I have her married to Josiah/Joseph Jones and have the Certificate if you would like a copy. They have 2 children.
Josiah dies betwen Apr 1881 - Dec 1884, But have no confirmation apart from Sarah shown as a Widow when she remarries 8 years later a Arthur Lusty (also have Certifiicate) and you probably know all this anyway.
Have never been able to find Sarah and her parents William & Ann on the 1861 Census, which led to my original enquiry on the message board.
If you could help with any information would be very happy.

An admin - thing (reply)

admin — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:05:14 +0000

Good idea Christine and for those that do not have a browser with tabs you can do a
right click with your mouse then select open in a new window on the 'Post reply' link.

An admin - thing (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:10:24 +0000

Because I have a head like a sieve, I got round this problem by setting up two FOD Message Board Tabs. I can then flick between the two screens to check up on the query. Works for me!

Regards
Christine

An admin - thing (reply)

admin — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:06:46 +0000

Jim

Just changed hats and logged in as admin.

I am aware of the problem you mentioned as I've experienced the same situation
as yourself many times. When I first set up the forum a few years back it did
actually show when doing a reply the complete message you were answering as
quoted text in the new message. Unfortunately, very few people would delete or
edit the quoted text and as such a thread of messages on a page ended up
consisting of three quarters of a page of quoted text and only a quarter of a
page of actual original information.

In order for people to understand and follow the thread I removed that feature
of quoted text appearing. At the time I did experiment with the code to try and
get the text of the message you were replying to be viewable but not as quoted
text in the body of the new message but separate from it.

I was never able to get it to work correctly so I let it be for the time, but
now you have brought the subject up I will revisit the problem again and see if
I can do anything.

Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855) (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:43:01 +0000

Hi Dave
I apologise Gill for missing this at the beginning of the thread, but yes I have Sarah Ann 1854 as a daughter of William & Ann and picking up from your next entry, I had her married to Josiah Jones in 1876, but what's in a name !!
Having added the detail including Maurice, I find (or rather I should say, that my computer finds) he is my 7th cousin, so I would be interested in hearing from Gill who will also be related. Perhaps you could email me using the link here.

Can I add an admin - "thing" - here Dave, I sometimes have difficulty when replying to questions. If I need to look back at the question I lose my answer so far. Being aware of this issue, I just copied the above in Word, then having checked the question again, sure enough my response so far had gone. Whilst I can now overcome this by copying into Word first, I thought I would bring it to your attention.

How the WATKINS family entwines (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:46:08 +0000

. add that to the MARFELL / MASON / DAVIS / WATKINS entwining :-)

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1138#p1143

How the ROBERTS and WATKINS families entwine (reply)

admin — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:54:53 +0000

Thanks Slowhands for pointing that out. This is how the line goes.

Joseph JONES (1855) = Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855)
Daughter: Elizabeth Ann JONES (1877)

Elizabeth Ann JONES (1877) = Ernest WATKINS (1874)
Son: Maurice WATKINS (1911)

Ernest WATKINS' (1874) father was John WATKINS (1840) he was a brother to Esther WATKINS (1838)

Esther WATKINS' son Sydney George WATKINS (1859) married Maria ROBERTS (1860)

Maria and Sarah Ann ROBERTS are sisters.

Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:09:27 +0000

She is transcribed as L A Roberts in 1871 ( above) !

Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855) (reply)

admin — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:16:58 +0000

Jim

Going back to Gill's original query at the top of this page where she is looking
for Sarah Ann ROBERTS (1855). Do you have Sarah Ann listed as one of the 7
children of William and Ann.

The reason why I ask is because Gill is a 4th cousin to me her mother being
Heather Watkins and her grandfather Maurice Watkins b.1911. Curious to know as
it would entwine the Watkins and Roberts web even more.

Ann & William ROBERTS 1861 Census (reply)

jimashton — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:20:21 +0000

Hi Slowhands

Funny that this has re-appeared after some time. I have the parents of William Roberts baptised 1.4.1824 who married Ann as William Roberts & Ann Barnard married 2.9.1821 Newland. William 1824 & Ann had 7 children including Maria 1862 who I believe married Sidney George Watkins 23.11.1879, Sidney being one of the many illegitimate children of Esther Watkins. Perhaps Dave Watkins can confirm.

Another of William 1824 & Ann's children Elizabeth Ann 1854 was one of the 3 wives of John Frederick Whittington who could be the subject of several pages !! One of John Frederick Whittington's wives was Elizabeth Read born 12.4.1852 and one of their children Clarence Oliver Whittington born 21.1.1876, married Selina Read nee Marfell born 28.10.1839 Selina's first husband was William Read 1839 brother of previously mentioned Elizabeth Read 1852.

Ann & William ROBERTS 1861 Census (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:01:24 +0000

1861 This must be a transcription error, or possible omission (!)

Well is this them - I'm sure its a TINGLE family( as per census) but it looks very similar to your ROBERTS.

Ruardean Woodside ?
William Lingle abt 1827 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Lingle abt 1828 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Lingle abt 1856 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
James Lingle abt 1860 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Lingle abt 1858 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Lingle abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Lingle abt 1851 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

William ROBERTS 1841 Census (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:41 +0000

A choice of two but the Harry Hill one seems the best geographic fit even if the age is alittle out with later census data

1841
Harry Hill ( closer to Ruardean )
HO107/364/6
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Folio: 6

William Roberts abt 1793 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Coal miner
Ann Roberts abt 1799 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Charlotte Roberts abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
George Roberts abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
James Roberts abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Jane Roberts abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Labeata Roberts abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Roberts abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Coal Miner

1841
Bradley Hill ? ( not classic Ruardean !)
HO107/364/5
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Folio: 4

Richard Roberts abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Roberts abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Roberts abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Marcy Roberts abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Roberts abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Roberts abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Ann & William ROBERTS pointers (reply)

Gill — Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:35:34 +0000

Makes me feel a whole lot better knowing that you couldn't find an entry either..Thank you so much for trying though

Ann & William ROBERTS pointers (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:52:49 +0000

1851
ROBERTS William 23 Coal Miner Ruardean
Ann 22 Ruardean

1861 This must be a transcription error, or possible omission (!)

1871
Willm Roberts abt 1825 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1829 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Jas Roberts abt 1860 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
L A Roberts abt 1855 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
M A Roberts abt 1857 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mariah Roberts abt 1863 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Roberts abt 1853 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 (Newham Bottom), Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
William Roberts abt 1828 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Ann Roberts abt 1829 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Elizabeth Roberts abt 1855 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter ,
Henry Roberts abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
James Roberts abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Richard Roberts abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
Thomas Roberts abt 1879 Ross, Hereford, England Grandson

1891
William Roberts abt 1827 R Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1829 R Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean Gloucestershire
Henry Roberts abt 1873 E Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Richard Roberts abt 1878 E Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Ruardean Gloucestershire

Ann & William ROBERTS 1861 Census

Gill — Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:44:04 +0000

1851 - East Dean Entry Found William (23), Ann (22)
1871 - RG10/2598 Folio 11 Page 13 Parish of East Dean, found
Can find nothing for 1861. There would be several children involved including Sarah Ann (1855) & Thomas (1853)
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