Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James Ellis HAWKINS 1843

James Ellis HAWKINS 1843 (reply)

chriselawrence — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:52:08 +0000

The names here look strangely familiar to me when I compare them with the information on this website:

http://gospelhall.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3051

JAMES ELLIS HAWKINS and George Lawrence were famous preachers in their time.

(My great-grandfather being that George Lawrence.)

Christina.

James HAWKINS minister - related thread (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:05:44 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=17775

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:31:03 +0000

1871 Census, Cornwall
St Austell

Watering Hole

transcribed as HAWKIN

HAWKINS

James - 35 Primitive Methodist - born - difficult to read - has a dotted i looks like Newith
Ann - 28 - born Salisbury
Edith M (Mary) HAWKINS - 6 - Chacewater * FreeBDM Truro District (which covers Chacewater - J/F/M Qtr 1865)
Winfired A - 5 (again Truro District J/F/M Qtr 1866)
Elizabeth M - 3 St Ives
Gertrude E - 2 Wiltshire (? Gertrude Ethel HAWKINS - O/N/D Qtr 1868, Melksham)
Emily J - 8 months, born St Austell

1861 Census, Gloucestershire, Stroud

James HAWKINS, unmarried, Lodger, 25 - Primitive Methodist Minster, born Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

chieftain — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:26:01 +0000

all of the above are my ancestors.but i carnt find death or marrige dates for any of them.i have tried bmd i have tried family trees and even tried descendants as well,but to no avail.if you can point me in another direction i would be very grateful.
kind regards steven

Douglas V BARCLAY 1918 -1991 (?) (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:09:57 +0000

Name: James Barclay
Spouse : Louise Boxall
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 182

Name: Douglas V Barclay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Boxall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 715

Name: Douglas Victor Barclay
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1918
Date of Registration: Mar 1991
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Crawley
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 1939

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

mrsbruso — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:02:47 +0000

Chieftain,

I think you will find that they are two different Georges. The George who married Gladys Bright was considerably younger, and his father's name was George, not James. I wasn't able to find a Hawkins/James marriage in the FOD records in the correct time period. I have dismal luck with ancestry's version of the BMD index, so perhaps someone more skilled will be able to narrow it down for you.

Additionally, it wouldn't have left George Lanwarne Hawkins much time to find a bride if he were shipped from Calgary to France in 1915, to marry in England that same year. Not impossible, but perhaps unlikely.

Also intersting to note that his father was a non-conformist minister and G.L. lists his religious affiliation as the Church of England.

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

mrsbruso — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:43:19 +0000

That was taken directly from a digital copy of his attestation papers. It was hand written (my grandfather's were typed), so his sister's initial could have been an F. rather than a J., but it looked like a "J".

The birth dates are quite different, so my guess is that George Lanwarne Hawkins and George Lawrence Hawkins are two different people.

Keep in mind, also, that this was the information the soldier was providing on enlistment. For instance, my grandfather listed my grandmother, Patience, by her nickname, which was Nellie. Additionally, if your man were being formal, if his sister is Mrs. JQ Public, it's not that her initials are JQ, it's that her husband is John Q Public.

I may be confusing this with another family, but wasn't there an earlier thread listing the children born in Cornwall? I would try cross referencing the sisters to see if any of them married a man with the surname James . . .

Primitive Methodist Minister Of Primitive Methodist Chapel St Ives
1881
James Hawkins abt 1836 Viney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head St Ives, Cornwall
Ann Hawkins abt 1843 Salsbury, Wiltshire, England Wife St Ives, Cornwall
Edith M. Hawkins abt 1865 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Elizabeth M. Hawkins abt 1868 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Emily F. Hawkins abt 1871 St Austell, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Florence J. Hawkins abt 1880 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
George L. Hawkins abt 1873 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall Gertrude E. Hawkins abt 1870 Wiltshire, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
James A. Hawkins abt 1872 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall
Kate E. Hawkins abt 1877 Penzance, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Robert S. Hawkins abt 1875 Monmouth, Wales Son St Ives, Cornwall
Winifred A. Hawkins abt 1866 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

chieftain — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:41:23 +0000

last night i recieved this information.
george lanwarne hawkins who joined the canadian expiditionary force at the age of 42 in 1915 married gladys bright.in dec 1915,he was 42 she was 24.
they had three children,joan f hawkins born in 1919
una m hawkins born in 1929 but died aged just 6
ann hawkins born 1937'
joan f hawkins married douglas v barclay in 1945,but did they have children.is barclay a forest of dean surname.
i get confused at the best of times.

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

chieftain — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:24:47 +0000

how could his sister be mrs jd james.this is getting confusing

George HAWKINS / Gladys BRIGHT marriage certificate (reply)

chieftain — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:22:55 +0000

its definately george lanwarne hawkins

George Lanwarne Hawkins b. 19 April 1873 (reply)

mrsbruso — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:31:40 +0000

From the Canadian military archives:

Name: Hawkins, George Lanwarne
Regiment #: 446215
Reference: RG150, Accession 1992-93/166 Box 4167-15
Date of Birth: 19/4/1873

Where born: St. Austall, Cornwall, England
Next of Kin: Mrs. J.D. James, Sister
Next of Kin Address: Yorkley, Gloucestershire
Date of Birth: 19 April 1873
Trade or Calling: Sign Writer
Are You Married: No
Willing to be Vaccinated: Yes
Do you Belong to an Active Militia: No
Have you ever served in a military force: Yes. York & Lancashire Reg't
Do you understand the terms of your engagement: Yes
Are you willing to bee attested to serve in the Canadian Over Seas Expeditionary Force: Yes

Signed: Calgary (Alberta), 27 April 1915

Age: 42
Height: 5'5"
chest expanded: 36"
range of expansion: 3 1/2"
complexion: Fair
eyes: Blue
hair: Light Brown
Religious Denomination: Church of England

It is possible there is more information available, however not all the records have been digitised and others are incomplete.

Joan F HAWKINS marrige certificate (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:33:15 +0000

From GlosBMD:

Marriage Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARCLAY Douglas Victor HAWKINS Joan Frances Forest of Dean Cinderford St John the Evangelist 1945 5 95

George HAWKINS / Gladys BRIGHT marriage certificate (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:26:55 +0000

From FoD PRs

Record_ID: 25946
Entry_Number: 319
Year: 1915
Month: Nov
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: HAWKINS
Grooms_Forenames: George Leonard
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Baker
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hawkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: C & Excise Officer
Brides_Surname: BRIGHT
Brides_Forenames: Gladys
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bright
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Check weighman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: William John Harvey
Witness_2: Dorothy May Bright
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George F Drysdale Curate in Charge
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 160
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: H252
Soundex_Bride: B623

So George Leonard Hawkins aged 27 in 1915 so born abt 1888
So Gladys Bright aged 25 in 1915 so born abt 1890.

Record_ID: 76205
Entry_Number: 1823
Year: 1890
Month: Dec
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: BRIGHT
Child_Forenames: Gladys
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah Bright
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: J H W Barton Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Nov 21 1890
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 228
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: B623

QUERY !
Is it definitely George LANWARNE Hawkins or ?. I first assumed this was a transcription error, however while searching Latterday Saints site for Joan Hawkins I found a Joan Lanwarne Hawkins born 1902 Chester.
Suggest please need to clarify/confirm names, thanks.

Joan F HAWKINS 1919 - 1971; marrige certificate (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:52:52 +0000

Name: Joan F Hawkins
Spouse Surname: Douglas V Barclay
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 598

Name: Joan Frances Barclay
Birth Date: 14 May 1919
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1971
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 884

George HAWKINS 1873 Cornwall; marrige certificate (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:51:50 +0000

Name: George Lanwarne Hawkins
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1873
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 132

1881
James Hawkins abt 1836 Viney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head St Ives, Cornwall
Ann Hawkins abt 1843 Salsbury, Wiltshire, England Wife St Ives, Cornwall
Edith M. Hawkins abt 1865 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Winifred A. Hawkins abt 1866 Chacewater, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Elizabeth M. Hawkins abt 1868 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Gertrude E. Hawkins abt 1870 Wiltshire, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Emily F. Hawkins abt 1871 St Austell, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
James A. Hawkins abt 1872 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall
George L. Hawkins abt 1873 St Austell, Cornwall, England Son St Ives, Cornwall
Robert S. Hawkins abt 1875 Monmouth, Wales Son St Ives, Cornwall
Kate E. Hawkins abt 1877 Penzance, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall
Florence J. Hawkins abt 1880 St Ives, Cornwall, England Daughter St Ives, Cornwall

Name: George L Hawkins
Spouse Surname: Gladys Bright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 799

Looking for marrige certificate (reply)

chieftain — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:47:26 +0000

of george lanwarne hawkins and gladys bright in 1915,also possible marrige of their daughter joan f hawkins born june 1919.
many thanks
steve

George Lanwarne HAWKINS

chieftain — Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:29 +0000

it would seem that george lanwarne hawkins one of the sons of james hawkins the primative methodist minister,joined the york and lancaster regiment and then emmigrated to canada and enlisted into the 56th canadian expoditionary force in 1915.he returned to canada in 1917 on a ship called olympic.he was suffering from trench fever.i still dont know if he passed away over in canada or even if he had family over there,or if he came back to the uk.if anybody can help that would be great.
many thanks steven jacklin