Musing on Edward & Samuel again.

I would say 1819 is correct for Edwards birth. Later census give 1819 & his death cert give's 1819.

The Edward born to Samuel Jones & Elizabeth Reece is baptised in 1823 so I am dubious this is his family.

Grrrr so frustrating!

Rgds

Lisa

Marriage at St Briavels - 6 September 1847

Samuel JONES

age : Of F

Bachelor, occupation, Wire-drawer - residence: Breme's Cross

father: Samuel JONES - occupation, Wire-drawer

married

Harriet ROBERTS,

age: Of F

Spinster,

father: James ROBERTS, labourer

witnesses: Thomas HULIN and Sarah HULIN..

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This couple, then appear to have one child at Chapel Hill Monmouth - 28 October 1849

James JONES, parents, Samuel (labourer) and Harriet

Yes that's my Edward & Ruth. I have their marriage cert & a copy of the registry entry, Hence I got to Samuel, where as most of the ancestry trees have his father as John.

I found Samuel & Elizabeth but I also found another Samuel Jones of the right age also living in the right place at the right time. So frustratingly without Edwards birth, & his mother name, I can't be sure which Samuel is definitely his. I know either Edward or Ruth's lines go back to Ireland & the other Samuel is born in Ireland. Although Ruth's mother was Maria Bailey & her fathers mother was Bridget both of which could potentially indicate Irish. I know the surnames (I believe mothers) around this time I should find a Smith & a Lacey. I think some of the Lacey girls married very well from what I remember.

My Mom died young & I so wish I'd written everything down before she died! But I could remember it then! She could recite all the names back to Ireland taught to her by her grandmother Sarah Anne who was Edward & Ruths Granddaughter. I'm not sure whether my mom learnt it cause she was nosey or whether it was something to do in the long hours spent in the air raid shelter :-) I have lots of their things as well which is all Irish Gold.

Thanks for your help
Lisa}

On Ancestry Public Members Tree - Edward JONES who married Ruth BROWN, which includes a copy of his marriage- Father Samuel) - says on most census returns he was born Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire/ and …….. unreadable ……. Abbey, Monmouthshire.

(marriage certificate says Samuel is engaged in ir………. can't make it out) could be iron…….

Links to all the census returns gives his birth date c1822.

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1851 Census, Chapel Hill, Monmouth

JONES

Samuel - 66 Labourer, born Mon, Chapel Hill (?burial at Chepstow, Workhouse - 24 Aug 1857 - Samuel JONES age 70)
Elizabeth - 75 - born ditto (?burial 24 Aug 1857 - age 70 - residence, Workhouse - Chapel, Chepstow)
Eliza TURNER - da - 33 - born Chapel Hill
Thomas TURNER- son-in-law 40 - labourer, Gloucestershire
Ellen TURNER - grand-daughter - 10
Joseph TURNER - grandson - 4
Thomas TURNER - grandon - 9

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On the 1841 Census, Chapel Hill

Baston?

Samuell JONES - 45
Eliabeth - 55
Sameull - 20 (possibly on the 1871 Census at Trelleck, age 50 - labourer, and boarder, born Chapel Hill)

they are living next door to a Rolling Mill run by Mary Fisher

and on the 1841 census, Monmouthshire, Chepstow

Thomas TURNER - 30 - not born in County
Eliza TURNER - 25 - born in County

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Marriage at Chapel Hill, Monmouth - 19 May 1840

Thomas TURNER, age 28 Bachelor, labourer
father: Thomas TURNER, Blacksmith

married

Eliza JONES age 24, Spinster - residence, Chapel Hill

father: Samuel JONES - wire cleaner

by banns

witnesses: William JONES and mark of Anne REECE

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? by 1861, Eliza TURNER is a Widow

Glamorgan, Lower Merthyr Tydfill
3 Course

Thomas THOMAS - 40 - labourer, born Breaconshire
Maria THOMAS - 39 - born Glamorgan
Ann NICHOLAS, Widow - 62 - born Glamorgan
Eliza TURNER - 45 - Widow born Monmouthshire
Joseph TURNER - 14 - son miner, born Monmouthshire

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? CLDS marriage at Chapel Hill 27 May 1811

Samuel JONES/Elizabeth REECE

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first child

William - 12 July 1812 - Chapel Hill

I think this is the same person. Do you have any idea who his parents were? I have a Samuel and Mary, but don't know her maiden name or any other details of Samuel. Not sure where you are located, but I am going to be in Forest of Dean in Sept and hope to have a look at some of the cemetaries. Do you have any info about where I should look?
Thanks, Jenny

Baptism at Newland - 15 August 1813

Samuel

Samuel (labourer) and Esther JONES - address Trowgreen,

1841 Census St Briavells Common

Saml JONES - 30 - Ag. Lab, born in County
Eliza JONES - 20
Eliza JONES -1

1851 Census, Clos, Newland,

Trowgreen, then

Ash

William BROMLY - Head - mar - 47, Labourer, born Gloucestershire, St Briavels
Esther BROMLY - wife - 50 - born Ruardean
Eliza JONES - grand-daughter, age 11, Scholar, born Gloucestershire, St Briavels
Henry WHITBY - Visitor unmarried 22 - labourer, born Newland
Mary WHITBY - visitor unmarried - 12 - born Newland

* age 70 on the 1861 census

Glos, Newland, Trowgreen

Ester BROMLEY - Widow age 70 -

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FOD records - Marriage Newland - 16 September 1826

William BROMLEY, Bachelor, Newland

married

Esther JONES (Widow) residence, Newland

by Banns

witnesses: Thomas & Mary TEAGUE

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1851 Census, Glos West Dean

Elwall

JONES

Samuel - 36 - Iron Miner, born Glos. Newland
Eliza - 36 - born St Briavels
Thomas - 8 - born St Briavels
George - 6 - born West Dean
William - 4 - born West Dean
James - 2 - born West Dean

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1841 Census, Newland
Trowgreen

William BROMLEY - Ag Lab - 35 - all born in County
Esther BROMLEY - 45
Thomas JONES - 23 - Iron Miner
John JONES - 20 - Iron Miner

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FOD records, Burial at Newland 6 December 1866

Esther BROMLEY, Trow Green, age 71

relict of William BROMLEY

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FOD records - burial at Clearwell 29 September 1859

William BROMLEY - residence Trow Green, age 55

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Baptism at St Briavels - 14 March1802

BROMLEY - William, parents Henry & Hannah

I have a Samuel Jones who married an Esther Prosser 27 May 1810 Newland in my tree,
children are Eliza 1809 born bef marriage then Mary 1810, Sarah 1811, Samuel 1813, Thomas 1817 and John 1820.

I have this Samuel bapt 1813 marrying Eliza Hulin in 1838, likely to be who you are looking for.

Can't help much with Samuel snr buried Newland 12 Sep 1825 age 55 so born circa 1770.
Esther bapt 4 Feb 1787 Ruardean dau of Wm Prosser & Jane Tingle. Esther is buried 6 Dec 1866 Newland. Esther married William Bromley after the death of Samuel in 1826 at Newland.

Hope this is of help...............Gill

I would be grateful for any information.