Forest of Dean FHT Forum - MORGAN Family West Dean

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

Mr David Carr — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:17:46 +0000

Bethan. Good to hear from you and yes it is adictive, only been doing it a short while and i been concentrating on my wifes brothers and sisters and her mum and dads brothers and sisters. GEORGE ALBERT MORGAN was my wifes grandfather. Her dad was HAROLD VICTOR MORGAN later to be VICTOR HAROLD MORGAN!who you knew nothing about. HGM had 9 children, info on some of his children you were unsure of. INGOMA was born INGOMAR, there was2 children called THOMAS (1 deceased). You mentioned DAISY! if im right hgm married her in 1908 after the death of his wife ELIZABETH ANN in 1907. With DAISY he had a daughter BLODWEN age at 1911 census 4 makes her dob 1907.I have so much but nothing on being a colliery owner. I believe there may be a link with the PRINCESS ROYAL COLLIERY but thats another job. shame about email as my phone number is on it for you to contact me if you wish. best wishes Dave

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

bethanmgriffith — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:59:12 +0000

Hi David,

No I haven't given up, I find that when I do research I get hooked and it is all I am able to think about, so sometimes I have to walk away and take a break. ;-) I am very interested in the Morgan line. I don't know much at all. I believe they owned a coal mine, do you know anything about that? Have you learnt anything about the Morgan's? In particular George Albert Morgan? I have only been able to go back to Henry Morgan, have you had much luck in researching beyond him?

I didn't receive an email to let me know you had replied to my message, for some reason I don't think the sight is notifying me of when people get in contact. I will try and sort that out and check on here more regularly.

Thank you for getting back to me.

Bethan.

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

Mr David Carr — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:22:08 +0000

I thought you had given up your search, What names or family ties are you looking for. I agree with you that nothing is straight forward as every time i look another mystery arises. Dave

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

bethanmgriffith — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:03:45 +0000

Hi,

I apologise, only now I have seen this message. If you have any information you could share, I would greatly appreciate it. I made a start on the Morgan line but I must confess I find searching for information tricky and it came to a bit of a dead end. Any information I have, I am more than happy to share with you.

Thank you.

Bethan.

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 21 Jul 2013 20:23:49 +0000

Hi David,
thanks for posting your kind offer to help Bethanmorgan. However please be advised that she hasnt seemed to have used the forum for some while so may not see your post - you can tell this by clicking on her blue user name. However the fact her name is still displayed in blue means she's still an "active" member, so hopefully can still be contacted offline by clicking the envelope icon. This lets you send an email direct to her computer inbox, so more likely she'll see it. Also this is private & secure, may I suggest that you consider removing your phone number from your thread post as this forum is public and you may possibly attract unwanted phone calls !.

Hope this helps you contact Bethan.

MORGAN Family West Dean (reply)

Mr David Carr — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:39:42 +0000

Hello. i realize some years have passed but are you still interested in finding out about relatives in the MORGAN family. I am at present working on my wifes family tree as her name happens to be morgan raised my interest. If i am right her grandfather is george and ingomar is her uncle. Her father was Harold Victor who later changed it to Victor Harold !!is, she also had a brother Victor.

MORGAN Family West Dean ( in 1911) (reply)

bethanmgriffith — Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:50:48 +0000

Thank you all so much! Its so very kind of you to help me. I really appreciate it! I am going to look into this a little further. I may need to ask for more advice if I get stuck again but you've all been fantasic! Thanks again!
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Elizabeth HAWKINS 1797/8 Lane End Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 06 Oct 2011 06:33:10 +0000

2 contenders ( baptised in Coleford and re-recorded in Newland, so 4 records in our database)

Year: 1797
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 868
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1798
Month: Jan
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 869
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Henry MORGAN 1802 -1873 Lane End / Clearwell (?) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 06 Oct 2011 06:16:53 +0000

Year: 1795
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: EVANS
Brides_Forenames: Martha
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Thos Morgan
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Thomas curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 722
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1841
Henry Morgan abt 1761 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Martha Morgan abt 1766 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1842
Month: Nov
Day: 17
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Coalway Lane End
Age_at_death: Years 82
Officiating_Minister: G Ridout Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/16
Page_No: 262
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1851
John Morgan abt 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Morgan abt 1766 Tregare, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1851
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Martha
Residence: Lane End
Age_at_death: 90
Officiating_Minister: C W Grove Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Newland

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Year: 1802
Month: Aug
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Martha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Name: Henry Morgan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1873
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

Year: 1873
Month: Jun
Day: 29
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Lane End
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: W.H.Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

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Name: Henry Morgan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

Year: 1879
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Shortstanding
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: W.H.Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

MORGAN Family West Dean ( in 1911) (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:37:06 +0000

Oops, sorry Graham, I started composing my post before you posted yours!
Once again bad timing, story of my life ! ;)

George MORGAN 1824 (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:33:09 +0000

Hi Bethan,
Re the birth record for George abt 1826, using the Advanced Search thro this site's PRs gives following Baptisms for children of Henry & Elizabeth Morgan:

8986 1826 MORGAN Henry, Henry & Eliz[abe]th, Forest, Coalminer, Coleford
9063 1828 MORGAN Hannah, Henry & Elizabeth, Forest, Coalminer, Coleford
9191 1832 MORGAN Maria, Henry & Elizabeth, Forest of Dean, Coalminer, Coleford
9310 1835 MORGAN George, Henry & Elizabeth, Forest of Dean, Coal Miner, Coleford
9311 1835 MORGAN Elizabeth, Henry & Elizabeth, Forest of Dean, Coal Miner, Coleford

So they match Slowhands' Census Records above except that George appears to have got younger ?

But his full BR shows he's actually born 1824.

Record ID 9310
Entry Number 1155
Year 1835
Month Apl
Day 17
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forenames George
Fathers Forenames Henry
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Forest of Dean
Occupation Coal Miner
Officiating Minister George Roberts BA Perpet: Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda born in 1824
Notes
Register Reference P93 IN 1/5
Page Number 6
Parish Chapel Coleford

George was Baptised at the same time as Elizabeth:

Record ID 9311
Entry Number 1156
Year 1835
Month Apl
Day 17
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forenames Elizabeth
Fathers Forenames Henry
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Forest of Dean
Occupation Coal Miner
Officiating Minister George Roberts BA Perpet: Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P93 IN 1/5
Page Number 7
Parish Chapel Coleford

T'others were all Baptised during their birth year as per the Census Records.

I was struggling to find a logical Marriage for Henry & Elizabeth, but then it clicked as to why George wasn't Baptised at birth;

This is the only likely Marriage on the database, but look at the date:

Record_ID: 27953
Entry_Number: 75
Year: 1828
Month: Aug.
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He marks She signs
Witness_1: Mark of Harriet Young[?]
Witness_2: Tho[ma]s. Underwood Clark[sic]
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield
Soundex_Groom: M625
Soundex_Bride: H252

Also note conspicuous lack of groom & bride's family....and their use of a different Chapel than all their subsequent Baptisms.

Clearly, George was very soon to have a sister and they wanted to do the "decent" thing:

Record_ID: 9063
Entry_Number: 908
Year: 1828
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest
Occupation: Coalminer
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 78
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: M625

Searching for Baptisms for parent's Henry & Elizabeth is tricky without their parent's names to help.
There are two possible Henry Morgans baptised in 1802 in Newland/English Bicknor, and five Elizabeth Hawkins' baptised between 1796-98 in Newland/Coleford !

MORGAN Family West Dean ( in 1911) (reply)

grahamdavison — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:19:33 +0000

If you use the Advanced Search for the children of Henry & Elizabeth Morgan you will find George baptised in 1835 there is a note saying he was born in 1824,

George MORGAN 1824 Lane End Coleford(?) (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:27:46 +0000

1871 Berry Hill area
Henry Morgan 68
Elizabeth Morgan 74

1861
Henery Morgan abt 1802 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1798 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Hervey Morgan abt 1802 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1797 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Geo Morgan abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mariah Morgan abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Morgan abt 1835 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 lane End
Henry Morgan abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Morgan abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Morgan abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hannah Morgan abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Maria Morgan abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

MORGAN - 1861 Census (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:09:51 +0000

Here is the 1861 Census, West Dean, Coalway Lane End

MORGAN

George - 37 - Coal Miner, all born West Dean
Elizabeth - 33
John William - 6
George Albert - 1

MORGAN Family West Dean ( in 1911) (reply)

bethanmgriffith — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:30:12 +0000

Thank you everyone for your help.

It does seem as if you've found my family members although some things are unclear and I don't suppose I could find out on the internet but here goes just in case someone may be able to shed some light.

Is it possible that George Morgan (head of the family) re married? I have never heard of a Victor and a Blodwen being mentioned.

I know that some of my relatives were born in the Forest of Dean and that my family regularly moved from the Forest of Dean to Pontypridd and back a few times. Although I'm not sure why.

Another long shot, but can anyone find a birth index/certificate for George Morgan abt 1824 West Dean, as I have tried but failed.

Thank you all so much for your previous help!

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MORGAN Family West Dean ( in 1911) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 04 Oct 2011 06:17:26 +0000

{needs checking but this looks like the family}

1911 107 Trealaw Road Trealaw Rhondda Valley
MORGAN GEORGE Albert M 1860 51 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN DAICIY A F 1881 30 Pontypridd Glamorganshire (born Woolwich)
MORGAN LILY F 1890 21 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN JUN GEORGE M 1892 19 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN WILLIAM M 1894 17 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN CHARLES M 1895 16 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN INDOR M 1896 15 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN INGOMA M 1898 13 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN VICTOR M 1902 9 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN THOMAS M 1904 7 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
MORGAN BLODWEN F 1907 4 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

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Year: 1907
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Elizabeth Ann
Residence: Lane End
Age_at_death: 36
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/15
Page_No: 64
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1901
George Morgan abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wid Head (Widow) West Dean, Monmouthshire
George Morgan abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
E A Morgan abt 1871 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Lilly M Morgan abt 1890 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
David J Morgan abt 1892 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Willie J Morgan abt 1894 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Charles E Morgan abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Tudor G Morgan abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Ingomar Morgan abt 1898 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Thomas Morgan abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

Year: 1901
Month: Sep
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Tudor Garfield
Fathers_Forenames: George Albert
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Broadwell Lane End
Occupation: Colliery owner
Officiating_Minister: H.R.James
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Ingoma Morgan marriage (reply)

Simone — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:47:03 +0000

from Parish registers on this site

80845
Entry Number
96
Year1927
Month Aug
Day 2
Grooms Surname MORGAN
Grooms Forenames Ingoma
Grooms Age 28
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Breams Tufts
Grooms Fathers Surname Morgan
Grooms Fathers Forenames George
Grooms Fathers Occupation Retired Collier Carman
Brides Surname DAVIS
Brides Forenames Beartrice Harriett
Brides Age 27
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Breams Eaves
Brides Fathers Surname Davies
Brides Fathers Forename George
Brides Fathers Occupation [deceased] Collier
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both Sign
Witness 1 George Davis
Witness 2 Homa Isles
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister
William J Joyce Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda George Davies signed Geo. Davies
Notes Register Reference
P57 IN 1/10
Page Number 48
Parish Chapel Bream

Morgan registrations. (reply)

Simone — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:38:44 +0000

Free BMD has a possible marriage in Sep q 1887

MORGAN George Merthyr T. 11a 740
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Ann Merthyr Tydfil 11a 740

Tudor's birth was registered in sep q 1897
Births Sep 1897
Morgan Tudor Garfield Monmouth 11a 17

Obtaining the birth certificate for one of the children will give you mum's maiden name and so confirm if the marriage above is yours. The marriage cert will confirm the father's names for George and Elizabeth, and so help you work further back

You can order online at www.gro.gov.uk at a cost of £9.25

Simone x

MORGAN (Colliery Owner) (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:55:17 +0000

George Alfred MORGAN (Foundry) website

http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalFoundry.html

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MORGAN baptism

Coleford - 12 September 1901

Tudor Garfield MORGAN - parents George Albert and Elizabeth Ann
Igonar - (same day) (FreeBDM Ingomar MORGAN - O/N/D Qtr 1898 - Monmouth District)
Harold Victor - (same day)
Tom - (same day)

Residence: Broadwell Lane End

Occupation - Colliery Owner

? FreeBDM J/A/S Qtr 1887 - Merthyr Tydfil

George MORGAN (also listed an Elizabeth Ann WILLIAMS) *

** This is just a 'long shot' looking for an Elizabeth Ann WILLIAMS c1871, born Merthyr Tydfil

1881 Wales Census, Merthyr Tydfil

9 Lower Colliers Row

WILLIAMS, all born Merthyr Tydfil

John - 36, Coal Miner
Gwenllian - 36
William 15, John 13, Jenks M - 8, Mary Jane - 11, Elizabeth Ann - 9, Rachel 2

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? as the lightmoor website talks about a John MORGAN ???

1871 Census, Broadwell Lane End

MORGAN

George - 46 - Coal Miner, all born Glos. West Dean
Elizabeth - 42
John - 16 - Coal Miner
George - 11 - Scholar

next door

MORGAN

Henry - 68 Collier all born West Dean
Elizabeth - 76

MORGAN Family West Dean

bethanmgriffith — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:35:50 +0000

Hi all,

I'm very new to this and I would appreciate any help or advice anyone has to share with me as I'm very eager to research my family tree.

Here is what I know so far by talking to relatives and searching the 1901 census.

I know that my relatives lived in Broadwell lane end and attended St John's parish in Coleford at the time of the 1901 census and that my relatives information are as follows...

Lilly M Morgan aged 11 born in Merthyr
David J Morgan aged 9 born in Merthyr
Willie J Morgan aged 7 born in Merthyr
Charles E Morgan aged 6 born in West Dean
Tudor Garfield Morgan aged 4 born in West Dean
Imer Morgan (This could be Ingomar?) aged 3 born in West Dean
Thomas Morgan aged 1 born in West Dean.

It also said that they lived with their mother Elizabeth Ann, but I can't find her surname. She was 30 at the time and was born in Merthyr .It also showed that they lived with their father George Morgan and he was 40 at the time and he was a general haulier born in West Dean.

Then it showed that they all lived with the head of the house George Morgan who was 77 at the time and that he was a colliery proprietor and was a widow. He was born in West Dean. I think he had something to do with Forest Red Ash Colliery (maybe I'm wrong about the name of it?)

If anyone has any information regarding any of the people above I would be very very grateful!

Thank you
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