Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James B RUCK born Newent about 1825

James B RUCK born Newent about 1825 (reply)

unknown — Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:21:52 +0000

I have James rook/ruck who married maria jennings born 1n 1794 in dymock, parents john and ann not henry and alice?
That would make John/henry ruck my great great great great great grandfather so that would make us 6th cousins?
James's had a son also called James, who then had a son Arthur. All where blacksmiths. James moved to ireland and worked on lord bessboroughs estate in piltown kilkenny. Athur sowed his wild oats with my great great gran, Ellen Luby around 1885. They didn't marry.
http://www.geni.com/share?t=6000000012135063603

"I have James Rook who married Maria Jennings in 1819 as possibly (highly likely but not yet proved) to be on my family tree. I have his father as Henry Rooke born 1720 died 1801. He married Alice Evans on 17/11/1755 and may have been married twice, the other person may have been Ann but I'm not sure. They are likely to be related to my Rook family because they too were blacksmiths and lived in the same places. If I descend from Henry Rooke he was my great, great, great, great, great grandfather however it's the next generation and beyond I know for definite are my relatives.
If you know anything further back I would be very interested. Have a look at the photographs of my Rook/Rooke/Ruck (also mistranscribed in some records as Rock) family on this website, particularly that of Thomas Rook the blacksmith. My mother said that relatives lived in Ross on Wye but I've found few, perhaps this is the family link?"

James B RUCK born Newent about 1825 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:57:29 +0000

I have James Rook who married Maria Jennings in 1819 as possibly (highly likely but not yet proved) to be on my family tree. I have his father as Henry Rooke born 1720 died 1801. He married Alice Evans on 17/11/1755 and may have been married twice, the other person may have been Ann but I'm not sure. They are likely to be related to my Rook family because they too were blacksmiths and lived in the same places. If I descend from Henry Rooke he was my great, great, great, great, great grandfather however it's the next generation and beyond I know for definite are my relatives.
If you know anything further back I would be very interested. Have a look at the photographs of my Rook/Rooke/Ruck (also mistranscribed in some records as Rock) family on this website, particularly that of Thomas Rook the blacksmith. My mother said that relatives lived in Ross on Wye but I've found few, perhaps this is the family link?

James B RUCK - 1841 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:26:48 +0000

If you use the Advance Search for children of James & Maria (don't put in the surname) but put Chapel: Newent

You will find

Henry ROOK- 1821 - residence: Town of Newent
James ROOK - 1823 - residence: Town of Newent
Anna Maria RUCK - 1837 residence: Ross County of Hereford
Thomas RUCK - 1840 - residence: Monmouth

1841 Census
Ross
Herefordshire
District 6
Page 4 of 6 (christian names abbreviated on census, which always makes it difficult to search)

RUCK

Jas RUCK - 45 - Blacksmith - all born in County
Maria - 41
Jno - 13
Maria - 4
Thos 1
Sarah SAYSELL - 85
Chas PYE - 69
Sarah PYE - 40

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It is useful to use the Advance Search for witnesses at wedding:

and this is one things that turns up

Marriage at Ross on Wye - 24 December 1835

Charles PYE (Bachelor) of this Parish

married

Sarah SAYCELL - Spinster of this Parish

witnesses: James RUNE? Maria RUCK

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1851 Census, Herefordshire Ross
Horn Green

RUCK

James - 55 - Blacksmith - born Glos. Dymock
Maria - 51 - born Newent
John - 23 - Blacksmith, born Mon. Abergav.
Mary Ann - 13 - all born Hereford, Ross
Thomas - 11
Elizabeth - 9
William - 6
Charles - 5

FOD Records

Baptism at DYMOCK - 19 October 1794

James RUCK, parents John & Ann (born 1 Jul 1794)

(use the Advance Search to find siblings etc)

(a John RUCK was witness at the wedding of James & Maria)

James B RUCK born Newent about 1825 (reply)

unknown — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:51:26 +0000

it does, i didn't realise about the parish records. thank you very much!

James B RUCK born Newent about 1825 (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:06:42 +0000

Hi and welcome to this great website resource. Did you realise the site's huges database of PRs is freely searchable ?. From them I find this Baptism which looks likely to me:

Record_ID: 101482
Entry_Number: 1040
Year: 1823
Month: Nov
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: ROOK
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Town of Newent
Occupation: Black Smith
Officiating_Minister: W. Beale
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 130
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: R200

Also brother Henry,

Record_ID: 101227
Entry_Number: 781
Year: 1821
Month: Mar
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: ROOK
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Town of Newent
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: W. Beale
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Privately baptized son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 98
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: R200

Their Parent's Marriage,

Record_ID: 38276
Entry_Number: 96
Year: 1819
Month: Jul
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: ROOK
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newent
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JENNINGS
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newent
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Ruck [?]
Witness_2: John Bowkett
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W Beale Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: R200
Soundex_Bride: J552

Obviously without viewing the original registers I can only assume they may have been transcribed incorrectly, I think Rook and Ruck could appear very similar dependant on the handwriting ?.
Especially as on closer inspection I see a Marriage Witness of "John Ruck [?]" !

Searching the PRs for "Ruck" and then "Rock" in "Newent" I find the following you may like to search yourself to gain more detail:

Year Surname First Name Event Parish/Chapel More detail
1803 RUCK George Baptism Newent More detail
1902 RUCK Elsie Emily Baptism Newent More detail
1833 RUCK Sophia Baptism Newent More detail
1837 RUCK Anna Maria Baptism Newent More detail
1839 RUCK Harriet Baptism Newent More detail
1840 RUCK Thomas Baptism Newent More detail
1857 RUCK James Burial Newent More detail
1839 RUCK Sarah Burial Newent More detail
1788 RUCK Betty Marriage Newent More detail
1797 RUCK Mary Marriage Newent More detail
1895 RUCK Margaret Marriage Newent More detail
1898 RUCK Elizabeth Marriage Newent More detail

Year Surname First Name Event Parish/Chapel More detail
1746 ROCK Ann Baptism Newent More detail
1756 ROCK Joseph Baptism Newent More detail
1782 ROCK Elizabeth Burial Newent More detail
1681 ROCK Elizabeth Burial Newent More detail
1746 ROCK Margaret Burial Newent More detail
1617 ROCK William Burial Newent More detail
1668 ROCK Ann Burial Newent More detail
1825 ROCK John Burial Newent More detail
1836 ROCK Mary Burial Newent More detail
1838 ROCK Charlotte Burial Newent More detail
1770 ROCK John Marriage Newent More detail
1784 ROCK John Marriage Newent More detail

Hope this helps, Happy Hunting !

James B RUCK born Newent about 1825

unknown — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:10:42 +0000

I'm tryign to find out about my great great great grandfather james B Ruck, he was born in newent about 1825 and was a blacksmith. His father was also called james.
I have him in 1851, but before that he's a mystery. Anyoen any suggestions?