Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Lucy Maria Hodges born 1892 Redmarley

Lucy Maria Hodges born 1892 Redmarley (reply)

gprotheroe — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:14:37 +0000

To the best of my knowledge Lucy Maria Hodges was the 8th child of William George Hodges of Kings Green and his wife Elisa Saunders.

I know of no connection to the family of Lily Maria Hodges.

William's sister Elizabeth Hodges was my great-grandmother.

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

paulp — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:01:02 +0000

Hi Jeff, thanks for all the info you have provided, in the 1911 census Lily is single living with her parents William and Sarah at Blacklands Dymock, she is working as a domestic servant, i have not found much info for Thomas Morris other than he came from Devonport, so after marriage they may have moved away from Dymock, i will do some research for the Morris/Hodges connection at Atcham, thanks again to you all with help with this search, Paul.

Lucy Maria Hodges born 1892 Redmarley (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:15:41 +0000

Is it possible there was a third sibling with Lily & Ethel, Lucy MARIA HODGES ?.
There's some similarities with "sister" Lily in her Marriage Records from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 65452
Entry_Number: 475
Year: 1915
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: TOWNSEND
Grooms_Forenames: William Vernon Read
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Soldier
Grooms_Residence: Horfield Bristol
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Townsend
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Soldier
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Lucy Maria
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ledbury
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hodges
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Groom
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: G N Hill
Witness_2: Florence Townsend
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J Bannister Officiating Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: BO92/21
Page_Number: 238
Parish_Chapel: Ledbury
Soundex_Groom: T525
Soundex_Bride: H322

So Lucy Maria born abt 1892, father William, etc..
And sadly soon re-married, possibly the War?

Record_ID: 102237
Entry_Number: 88
Year: 1922
Month: Apr
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: Harry
Grooms_Age: 32
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Goods Guard
Grooms_Residence: Undy-Magor Newport
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morgan
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard Edward
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Lucy Maria
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: 70 Albert Road
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hodges
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coachman
Licence_or_Banns: License
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William Charles Cooke
Witness_2: Ethel Minnie Cooke
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Fred W. Carnegy (Rector)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: The bride's father is deceased
Register_Reference: BO92/22
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Ledbury
Soundex_Groom: M625
Soundex_Bride: H322

Is it possible witness Ethel is her sister, now married ?.

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name Spouse District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Dec 1919
Cooke Willie C. Hodges Ledbury 6a 1231 rose

Suggesting that Lucy's Witnesses are Ethel and husband "Willie C".

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
Births Jun 1893
Cooke Willie Charles Hereford 6a 514 jwh

This is the only Record on all of FreeBMD for any "Cooke / Ethel Hodges" Marriage, without date limits, and for all the UK !.
Not a coincidence methinks.

Searching FreeBMD nationwide for Ethel M Cooke, these stand out wrt the Atcham/Shrewsbury connection:

Surname Given Name Spouse District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Jun 1935
Cooke Ethel M. Harley Atcham 6a 1681 sr56

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1937
Cooke Ethel M. 50 Shrewsbury 6a 971 MargaretS
Age abt right..

However Lucy's Baptism Record shows different mother than Lily !?

Record_ID: 369464
Entry_Number: 687
Year: 1892
Month: Feb
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: HODGES
Child_Forenames: Lucy Maria
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Kings Green Redmarley
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H Morton Niblett Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Privately
Notes:
Register_Reference: P265 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Redmarley
Soundex: H322

Whereas Lily Marie/Maria:
Record_ID: 21209
Entry_Number: 302
Year: 1887
Month: Dec
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: HODGES
Child_Forenames: Lily Marie
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bush Cottages Dymock
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: DOB 29/10/1887
Notes: Private
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/25
Page_Number: 38
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
Soundex: H322

Both Private Baptisms though... stepsisters ??

Revisiting FoD PRs, searching all "W Cookes":

Record_ID: 102187
Entry_Number: 38
Year: 1919
Month: Dec
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: COOKE
Grooms_Forenames: Willie Charles
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Leading Seaman R.N.
Grooms_Residence: Sunrise House Catherine Street Hereford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Cooke
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Horsekeeper
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Ethel Minnie
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: 70 Albert Road ledbury
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hodges
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: H. Morgan
Witness_2: W. Hodges
Other_Witnesses: Aida Cooke Florence Townsend
Officiating_Minister: Fred W. Carnegy (Rector)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: The bride's father is deceased
Register_Reference: BO92/22
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Ledbury
Soundex_Groom: C200
Soundex_Bride: H322

CLEARLY "sisters", same Ledbury address, same father's name, etc.
AND a Royal Navy (Devonport ?) connection too.

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:01:54 +0000

Darnit! Should have tried alternative spellings of Lily! Well done Mar.

I don't suppose these could be their children? Atcham was the RD for Shrewsbury.

Births Jun 1915
MORRIS Hannah Hodges Atcham 6a 1090

Births Dec 1920
MORRIS Thomas S Hodges Atcham 6a 1100

Births Jun 1926
Morris Alice M Hodges Atcham 6a 975

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:23:47 +0000

Think the marriage found can be ruled out

Samuel HATHERLEY married Lily Mabel MORRIS c 1896 (Public Members Tree Ancestry)

Death records on Ancestry (re: Lily Maria MORRIS born Oct 1887 at Dymock)

Lillie Maria MORRIS born 28 October 1887 (date of birth on FOD records 29 October 1887)

Died J/F/M Qtr 1977

age 89, Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Thomas MORRIS dob approx 1890 according to the marriage in 1914

Death: Shrewsbury, Shropshire

J/F/M Qtr 1958 - age 68 years

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:49:18 +0000

Welldone Chris, I know I should have looked harder !
Sadly it suggests that maybe Thomas was perhaps a casualty of the War ?.

There are 162 T Morris's listed on the CWGC site, many of them Thomas's, I looked at abot 15 of the entries without luck, if anyone cares to search them all some of them contain details of next of kin etc. Sadly it won't allow us to enter "Thomas", just "T" ...

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:37:19 +0000

Harking back to the Devonport connection - I wonder if Thomas died and Lily remarried?

Name Lily M Morris
Year of Marriage 1918
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Devonport
Registration County Devon
Spouse's Surname Hatherley
Volume Number 5B
Volume Page 716

Spouse Match Found: Lily M MORRIS married Samuel J HATHERLEY

HODGES (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:27:39 +0000

? on Ancestry

Marriage Ledbury, Hereford - A/M/J 1936

Bernard F ING/Ivy W HODGES

Death:

October 1993, Ledbury

Ivy W ING - birth date - 20 February 1913

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Two births at least in Ledbury - ING (mother's maiden name HODGES)

Michael B ING - O/N/D 1936

Graham M ING - O/N/D 1939

Death: Bernard Frank ING - Jan 1999, Hereford, age 84, birth date 2 April 1914

Lily Maria Hodges (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:37:27 +0000

Hi Paul,
it's clear that Lily's children William Jones Hodges born 1909 and Ivy Winifred Hodges born 1913 were both born "out of wedlock", certainly thats the impression from the Baptism Records. I suspect William's father is actually a William Jones, there are several of these on the Dymock PRs. I could be wrong but I don't ever recall seeing the Jones name used as anything other than a surname; my father, his grandfather etc and my son are also William Jones's so I've seen a lot of similar PRs over the last months. (And in case you're wondering no we're NOT from the Dymock area ;-)

Record_ID: 368182
Entry_Number: 253
Year: 1910
Month: Jan
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: HODGES
Child_Forenames: William Jones
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Lily Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blacklands Dymock
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Officiating_Minister: Reginald Horton Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 16 Nov 1909
Notes: In this record no father's name listed
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/26
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
Soundex: H322

As you know Lily's marriage has some clues wrt Thomas's origins:
Record_ID: 23712
Entry_Number: 154
Year: 1914
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: MORRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Railway Porter
Grooms_Residence: Devonport
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Railway Porter
Brides_Surname: HODGES
Brides_Forenames: Lily Maria
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Dymock
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hodges
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farm labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Albert Hodges
Witness_2: Alice Hodges
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Sidney Marston vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/28
Page_Number: 77
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
Soundex_Groom: M620
Soundex_Bride: H322

So Thomas born abt 1890, father Thomas.
No Morris witnesses listed, were his family at the wedding ?
Thomas's residence is listed as Devonport, perhaps suggesting he's from a nautical family, despite now being a Railway Porter. Did the couple live there after the marriage ?.
Did Thomas go off to War, perhaps using his Railway skills, if so did he return ?.
Searching the FoD Baptisms theres an awful lot of Thomas Morris', with the Thomas name often being perpetuated thro the generations, so again no great clues there. Looking for his Baptism around 1890 this looks possible although not really the right area,

Record_ID: 146921
Entry_Number: 437
Year: 1890
Month: Feb
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: MORRIS
Child_Forenames: Thomas Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Milkwall
Occupation: Clerk in S & W Railway Office
Officiating_Minister: E Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: M620

How did he meet Lily and where ?. Please advise where Lily is in the 1911 Census Records, any clues there ?. Presuming you have access to the Census's have you looked up Thomas's background at all, is he a Dymock man or ?

Lily Maria HODGES 1887 Dymock

paulp — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:16:12 +0000

Looking for information about my great grandfather (Albert William Hodges) two sister's, Lily Maria Hodges born oct 1887 at Dymock, she is in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census records, Lily had two childern William Jones Hodges born 1909 and Ivy Winifred Hodges born 1913(both Dymock) no fathers name given in the parish records for William or Ivy, Lily married Thomas Morris in 1914 at Dymock, i have no further information about Lily or Thomas i don't know if they had any children, i found no death records for Lily Hodges/Morris, Her sister Emily Hodges born Dec 1895 Dymock, she is in the 1901 and 1911 census records working at the White house Dymock as a domestic servant, i have no more information about her, i have found no marriage or death records for her, if anyone can help with information after these dates it would be really helpful.