Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Amelia PHIPPS murdered 1873

Amelia PHIPPS murdered 1873 (reply)

Megan — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:16:41 +0000

Hi Thanks for this all information on Williams Wife's family. Yes, William was my Great Uncle born in Wigan to Joseph Peart (from Oxenton Nr Cheltenham)& Sarah Ann Lewis.(from Bream )
Joseph was a farm labourer in Bishops Cleeve, then moved to FOD to be a miner after 1871 census
I have looked into "mines in Wigan" in the late 1800's and it seems they were in abundance with shortages of men to work them. The miner owners sent out Overseers to recruit men from all over England, especially mining areas, for skilled labourers. At that time the industrial revolution was in full swing and cotton mills in the north were needing more & more coal to feed the furnaces for power for the looms etc:
The overseers were also looking for farm labourer as they would have been used to hard work, and the farming community was also getting mechanised so fewer men were required.
But why did they move to Wigan? The coal mines in the Forest were still flourishing
at that time, so why move? Better pay maybe...Guess we will never know.

For information - William Peart with brother John(Jack) moved to South Wales in about 1925, but he came back to the forest several years later, although John remained there for the rest of his life.

Amelia PHIPPS murdered 1873 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:38:13 +0000

Not good times for the Phipps it seems.

Just a few years earlier another Phipps, from Newnham so possibly related, met her grisly end from an unsuccessful suitor.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=15454

George PHIPPS Burial 24/01/1889 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:29:26 +0000

I've tried the FoD Inquests and there is a George Phipps from Pillowell, Collier who died at Fancy Colliery, witnessed by son William, but that was 1901.
see http://www.forest-of-dean.net/inquests/images/E278.png

The national database of pit disasters lists a George Phipps which at first glance I thought was in 1889, but actually 1859 altho was in the local(ish) area:

Mining Accidents - PHIPPS George
Name: PHIPPS George
Age: 0
Date: 12/10/1859
Year: 1859
Occupation:
Colliery: Pit at Varteg
Owner:
Town:
County: Monmouth
Notes: Sinking operations.

http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/index.php?text_search=phipps&action=search_by_keyword&pa...

So in conclusion, as tinternet & compooter never lies, it's clear

YES "she dun im in, gud n proper" !

PS perhaps someone could lookup the Collier's Roll cd for him, please, just in case ?.

George PHIPPS Burial 24/01/1889 (reply)

ChrisW — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:38:10 +0000

I wonder if she "dun 'im in"!

Record_ID: 77134
Entry_Number: 485
Year: 1889
Month: Jan
Day: 24
Surname: PHIPPS
Forenames: George
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 41
Officiating_Minister: Jno. (sic) (John) Jos[ep]h Ebsworth (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: P120

George & Alice PHIPPS (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:22:03 +0000

Think she got her wish! - how though!

1891 Census, Coleford

Alice PHIPPS - Widow age 42
Mary HALLAM - daughter age 14

1881 Census, West Dean

PHIPPS

George - 32, Coal Miner - born Glos. West Den
Alice - 32
Alice - 10
Elizabeth - 6
Mary - 4

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1911 Census, Wales

Yorkley, Lydney

PEART

William - 29 married 7 years, 3 children born alive, 3 living - Collier at coal face, born Wigan, Lancs
Elizabeth - 36 - born Yorkley
Alice PHIPPS, 62, Widow, Indp Means, born Yorkley
Elsie - 7 - born Bream
Doris - 4 - born Bream
William - 4 months, born Yorkley

George & Alice PHIPPS

ChrisW — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:54:19 +0000

Gloucester Citizen
Gloucestershire, England

14 Sep 1887

COLEFORD. Police-court, Tuesday.—Alice Phipps, a middle-aged woman, respectably connected, applied to the bench for a separation order from her husband, George Phipps, of Yorkley, near Lydney. The complainant appeared in court with her left eye ……….

Transcript Details

Record_ID: 14915
Entry_Number: 206
Year: 1870
Month: May
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: PHIPPS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phipps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Alice
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: he marks she signs
Witness_1: Richard Watkins
Witness_2: Susan Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 103
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: P120
Soundex_Bride: J520