Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean (reply)

calzeat — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:19:07 +0000

Thank you for all your help and advice. I have just found the edit facility.

I have been a member for a few months and agree that it is a splendid site - I always search here rather on Ancestry for exactly the reasons you mention. However, it will be awhile before my skills match those of MPG, if ever.

John MORGAN - 1841/1851 census (reply)

calzeat — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:12:30 +0000

Thank you - I have the 1841 & 1851 census details but had not thought to search for Jane/William's children. John 1803 is there so these must be the correct parents.

Have to admit that I am still struggling with the advanced search but have had some success with it today. So frustrating at times but obviously you know what to ask for.

Last night, I found the marriage of William Morgan to Jane Ponton in 1782 but needed further confirmation. It would seem that I now have his birth date.

Once again, thank you.

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:03:04 +0000

Hi again calzeat,
thanks for your full reply, I'm pleased you are confident this is your line and that you have clearly done your homework (sometimes new posters don't seem aware of this site's PR database etc etc so can ask somewhat vague/optimistic questions). Thanks for understanding my "reluctance" to spend too much time last night on it without further clarification. Yes I think you're on the right line, as the location Mitcheldean seems critical here as that really narrows your search. Luckily for you MPG is on the case and she has more skill & sources than I do so you can be sure she'll be on the right lines. I've just checked my 1851 Glos Census CD and as expected I agree with her findings below in that respect.
I was interested to see Ancestry's rather poor transcriptions !. I've only just started using Ancestry via my local library's free terminal and I must say I've been very unimpressed with their apparently high % of mis-transcriptions from easily read census forms, I wonder if they use a computer system rather than people who think !
ATB Jeff.

Finally, please note (if you haven't already) this website contains far more than the PRs. The forum is itself searchable, as is the website which includes a huge amount of old documents, photos, e-books, newpaper clippings etc etc. We are lucky to have such an excellent site especially as it's subscription-free.

ps Just to advise you can edit your own posts rather than add extra ones. I say this as this forum automatically and sometimes frustratingly "locks" a thread after 20 posts, regardless of the size of each post. See "FAQ" section for further info.

John MORGAN - 1841/1851 census (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:28:46 +0000

Listed on Ancestry as MARGAN and transcribed as below...

Dean Forest, St Briavells, Gloucestershire, England

John MARGAN - 35
Harscot - 35
Wm - 16
John - 14
Henry - 8
Jane - 6 - possibly four family names here, William/John/Jane/Sarah (see children of William & Jane listed below)
Sarah - 4
Edwin - 1 *

FOD records, Edwin MORGAN baptised 3 Jan 1841 - at English Bicknor, residence Lidbrook, John (Coalminer) and Harriet

1851 Census, East Dean - Lydbrook Hill

MORGAN

John - 48 - Coal Miner born East Dean
Harriet - 48
John - 25
Henry - 18
Sarah - 14
Edwin - 10
Albert - 1
Eliza - 6

Using the advance search for children of Jane/William at Mitcheldean

Sarah - 1783
Sally - 1785 - also burial 28 November 1785, parents William/Jane
Jane - 1787
Betty - 1787
Nancy - 1789
Mary - 1792
William - 1800 ***
John - 1803
Thomas - 1805

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Checking for witnesses at wedding, can give family groups

** needs looking into - a William MORGAN, Widower, - Hundred of St Briavels, married Sarah POWELL (relation of Jane?) - at St Briavels - 17 September 1821

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Looking back for possible parents of William MORGAN - who married Jane PONTON - 6 July in 1782, and then had his children in Mitcheldean...

and again possible family names:

William & Elizabeth MORGAN, had these children at Mitcheldean (FOD records)

William 1762,
Elizabeth 1766
Nancy - 1768
Molly 1771
John 1773
William 1760
Thomas 1760

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean (reply)

calzeat — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:08:57 +0000

Sorry, I meant to add before posting that I tend to agree that we may never find John Morgan's exact birth date in 1803. I am satisfied with the baptism record but would like to find records for William and Jane.

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean (reply)

calzeat — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:05:32 +0000

Thank you, Jeff, for your reply.

William Morgan 1824-1892 is my great great grandfather.

His baptism record from this site -

Record ID 126147
Entry Number 253
Year 1824
Month Oct
Day 17
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Harriet
Mothers Surname
Residence Joyford
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister T Marwood Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P138 in 1/5
Page Number 32
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

John & Harriet's marriage

Record ID 69769
Entry Number 117
Year 1824
Month Mar
Day 12
Grooms Surname MORGAN
Grooms Forenames John
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence hundred of St.BriavelsGloucester
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname POWELL
Brides Forenames Harriet
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence hundred of St.BriavelsGloucester
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark he signs she marks
Witness 1 mark of William Young
Witness 2 mark of Mary Young
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Richard Davies Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes there are no dates for the banns.There are a lot of parishes in the hundred of St.Briavels.
Register Reference AM2/6
Page Number 39
Parish Chapel Dixton

Searching the parish records on this site produced the only John Morgan born within the right time frame and district. The 1861 census states that he was born in Mitcheldean. This would seem to back up his record of baptism. Am I on the right track?

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:44:24 +0000

Hi and welcome to this great forum & website.

This is this site's "version" of your Baptism Record;

Record_ID: 414610
Entry_Number:
Year: 1803
Month: Jan
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: Father's name Willm entered in the PR expanded to William. Not in correct date order.
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: M625

So sadly no extra notes (as occasionally occurs) re actual birthdate.

However I see there are an astoundingly high number of John MORGAN PRs on the site's database with 450 Baptisms alone, 4 in 1803 and many more in close proximity !!. Before we look for his parents, please confirm you are sure this one is "your"s ?.

As to finding his exact birthdate I'm a mere beginner at all this so I stand to be corrected, but personally I can only assume he was born in the week or two before his baptism. I don't know where we can go to find his birthdate except maybe family records or Bible ?.

John Morgan born 1803 Mitcheldean

calzeat — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:41:04 +0000

I would be grateful for any information on John Morgan's parents. There is a record of John Morgan's baptism:-

parents: Willm. Morgan, Jane
name: John Morgan
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Jan 1803
baptism/christening place: MITCHELDEAN,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: Willm. Morgan
mother's name: Jane
indexing project (batch) number
However, I have not found any records for William and Jane.

This could be their marriage:-

Record ID 42372
Entry Number
Year 1782
Month Jul
Day 6
Grooms Surname MORGAN
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Newnham
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname PONTON
Brides Forenames Jane
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Newnham
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns Jun 16 23 & 30
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Marek of Thomas Morgan
Witness 2 James Weale
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Benj Webb minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P228 IN 1/6
Page Number
Parish Chapel Newnham

Can anyone confirm that this is the correct William and Jane? Also, I am searching for William's date of birth but have had no luck so far.

All help gratefully received, thank you.