Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Parents of Sarah BEACH b abt 1810-1820 ?

Parents of Sarah BEACH b abt 1810-1820 ? (reply)

unknown — Mon, 14 May 2012 14:22:48 +0000

Unfortunately, I have not mastered keeping source records - yet.

But I thought Thomas Beach (1772 - 1813) died as Sarah was born (1813 -) I also found her potential mother, Mary, remarrying when Dobbs died, 1826 I think. At this stage I lost it as she might have married again. It does make Mary (Kear) an old mother.

Frances HARRIS 1796-1884 Clearwell (reply)

unknown — Sat, 12 May 2012 21:40:14 +0000

It is so valuable for me to have confirmation of the things I've got right, and also being put right where I have gone wrong. Thank you. I'm doing a short first visit to the Forest to try and get some small insight into forest life, so will not be putting too much on the tree this week.

WARD Households, 1851 Census (reply)

unknown — Sat, 12 May 2012 21:37:47 +0000

Thank you so much. I am making a first visit to the Forest of Dean this week, just to get a flavour of the lives there, so will do little to the tree in until then, busy reading about tin and mines etc.
Clarityclaire

WARD Households, 1851 Census (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 11 May 2012 09:01:04 +0000

Just to add a little more detail to the previously quoted households, off the Glos FHS cd:

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2443 1851 CENSUS HO107/2443 FF.0550-0571 ED.3B LYDNEY 3

Piece: 2443 Folio: 0567 Schedule: 109

Address: Factory

WARD George HD - 33 Tin Washer GLS Lydney (c1818)
WARD Sarah WI - 34 - GLS Forest Dean (c1817)
WARD Richard SO - 10 Scholar GLS Lydney (c1841)
WARD William SO - 7 Scholar GLS Lydney (c1844)
WARD Mary DA - 7 Scholar GLS Lydney (c1844)
WARD Phillimon SO - 5 Scholar GLS Lydney (c1846)
WARD George SO - 2 - GLS Lydney (c1849)
WARD Robert SO - 1M - GLS Lydney (c1850)
GLANVILL Esther SV U 23 House Servant GLS Lydney (c1828)

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2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0054-0071 ED.3A COLEFORD 1

Piece: 2444 Folio: 0067 Schedule: 077

Address: Lower Redbrook

WARD Richard HD M 56 Roll Turner STS Weetbury[?] (c1795)
WARD Frances WI M 54 - GLS Clearwell (c1797)
IMM Joseph SL M 25 Cord Winder GLS Lidney [Lydney] (c1826)
IMM Frncis DA M 26 - GLS Lidney [Lydney] (c1825)
IMM Sevena GD - 20M - GLS Lidney [Lydney] * (c1850)

Frances HARRIS 1796-1884 Clearwell (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 06:58:21 +0000

Year: 1816
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Frances
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Maria Harris
Witness_2: Mark of Edward Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jonas Waley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1782
Month: Aug
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Edward
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: John Davis
Witness_2: R Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: P Ball vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 558
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1796
Month: May
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: HARRIS
Child_Forenames: Frances
Fathers_Forenames: Edw[ar]d
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 842
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1884
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Frances
Residence: Parkend
Age_at_death: 88
Officiating_Minister: R.Stevens
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page_No: 16
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Richard WARD 1794-1868 Wednesbury, STAFFS -> Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 06:40:35 +0000

Year: 1816
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Frances
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Maria Harris
Witness_2: Mark of Edward Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jonas Waley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Newland

RICHARD WARD
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 OCT 1794 Saint Bartholomew, Wednesbury, Stafford, England

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Parents:
Father: RICHARD WARD
Mother: JANE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C055204 1781 - 1812 0421615 Film 6900039 Film
Sheet: 00

1841
Richard Ward abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Frances Ward abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Ward abt 1821 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ellen Ward abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
Richard Ward abt 1795 Weethley, Staffordshire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Frances Ward abt 1797 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Joseph Imm abt 1826 Lidsey, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law Newland, Gloucestershire
Francis Imm abt 1825 Lidsey, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sevena Imm abt 1831 Lidsey, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
Richard Ward abt 1797 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis Ward abt 1797 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1868
Month: Feb
Day: 8
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Park End
Age_at_death: years 77
Officiating_Minister: B.Philpot Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/12
Page_No: 93
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

George WARD 1818 Redbrook (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 06:37:24 +0000

1861
George Ward abt 1818 Redbrock, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ward abt 1817 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Philemon Ward abt 1847 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1849 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1853 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Enos Ward abt 1855 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis Anne Ward abt 1858 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1818
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: WARD
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Frances
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: S F Morgan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1816
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Frances
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Maria Harris
Witness_2: Mark of Edward Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jonas Waley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Newland

James BEACH dies 1822 Whitecroft (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 06:30:01 +0000

A possible father for Ann / Sarah , husband for Mary
{this is a long shot many BEACH families in Whitecroft / Newland}

and need a James BEACH marriage .....

Year: 1822
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Surname: BEACH
Forenames: James
Residence: Whitecroft
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/29
Page_No: 1
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Sarah BEACH 1817 Whitecroft (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 06:10:31 +0000

1861
George Ward abt 1818 Redbrock, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ward abt 1817 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Philemon Ward abt 1847 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1849 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1853 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Enos Ward abt 1855 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis Anne Ward abt 1858 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Bride states her "Father" is Thomas DOBBS

1840

Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier

Sarah's widowed mother marries Thomas
I suspect a young Ann and Sarah treat Thomas DOBBS
as their father, but no reason to believe he is
the biological father

Year 1827
Month Jul
Day 15
Grooms Surname DOBBS
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation

Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age
Brides Condition Widow
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Wm Howells
Witness 2 Rich[ar]d Morgan
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister George Ridout Lecturer
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/11
Page Number 194
Parish Chapel Newland

So looking for a Sarah BEACH/ BEECH born 1817 ish Whitecroft / Parkend area

Richard Henry WARD 1852 -1930 Lydney -> Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 11 May 2012 05:42:16 +0000

WARD William George
WARD WARD HILL
1875 Forest of Dean
Monmouth, Coleford 33 51

1881
Richard H. Ward abt 1854 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen J. Ward abt 1855 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Willie C. Ward abt 1875 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A. Ward . abt 1878 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard A. Ward abt 1880 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lilian J. Ward Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1840
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate worker
Grooms_Residence: Whitecroft
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Ward
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Roller

Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: George Jones
Witness_2: Maryann Ward
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J B Clifford Off Min
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 79
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1841
George Ward abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ward abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
George Ward abt 1818 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ward abt 1817 Forest Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1841 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Ward abt 1844 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Ward abt 1844 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Ward abt 1846 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1849 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Robert Ward abt 1851 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: WARD
Child_Forenames: Richard Henry
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Factory Cottages
Occupation: Tin Worker
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1861
George Ward abt 1818 Redbrock, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ward abt 1817 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ward abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Philemon Ward abt 1847 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1849 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1853 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Enos Ward abt 1855 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis Anne Ward abt 1858 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Parkend
Sarah Ward 54
Mary Ward 26
Richard Harry Ward 18
Eno L Ward 16
Charles Golden 20
David John Rees 28
George Ward Rees 1

Year: 1930
Month: Jul
Day: 9
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Richard Henry
Residence: Palmers Flat Nr Coleford
Age_at_death: 77 years
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 179
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Richard A. WARD b1880, and a Word of Caution. (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 11 May 2012 05:33:02 +0000

Just to confirm "the obvious" as twere, Richard Henry WARDS son Richard A. WARD b1880 as per the various Census' is Richard ALFRED Ward:
He is not in FoD PRs but from GlosBMD:

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WARD Richard Alfred WARD WARD HILL 1879 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 37 214

I state this as I'd wondered if the Census Transcript was possibly in error and the A should read H, due to what seemed a proliferation of Richard H(enry) Wards in the FoD PRs in addition to his father.
Because of my confusion while finding these "foreign" PRs in passing, I thought I should show my findings to maybe save other researchers repeating my confusion.

So, to reiterate, the following is a different family group albeit with confusingly similar names & timeline:

From GlosBMD (No FoD PR):

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WARD Richard Henry WARD WARD MORGAN 1877 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 16 79

From GlosBMD his parents Marriage (No FoD PR):

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WARD Richard MORGAN Mary Ann Forest of Dean Hewelsfield St Mary Magdalene 1869 1 186

I suspect this is Marriage of young Richard b1877, from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 17024
Entry_Number: 41
Year: 1902
Month: Nov
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: Richard Henry
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Bream
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Ward
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Brides_Surname: ADDIS
Brides_Forenames: Laura
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Servant
Brides_Residence: S. Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Addis
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard Davies
Witness_2: Rachel Garton
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J C May
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex_Groom: W630
Soundex_Bride: A320

OR, from GlosBMD:

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WARD Richard Henry ADDIS Laura Forest of Dean St Briavels St Mary the Virgin 1902 2 41

This helps clarify my confusion, hopefully it will someone else's too !

Parents of Sarah BEACH b abt 1810-1820 ? (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 11 May 2012 05:31:15 +0000

If Annie was a "minor" in 1838 she was born after 1820 and probably before 1823 ?
Sarah is presumably older so born before that,say 1810-1820. Clearly these are both before the above Dobbs/Beach Marriage hence odd surnames.

Using Advanced Search looking for all Baptisms in PRs with mother Mary Beach, I find only ONE Annie within several years, and in Newland too, so this MAYBE our Baptism:

Record ID 44064
Entry Number 549
Year 1825
Month Aug
Day 21
Parents Surname BEACH
Child Forenames Anne
Fathers Forenames Samuel
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Redbrook
Occupation Shoemaker
Officiating Minister G Ridout Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/6
Page Number 69
Parish Chapel Newland

This is the whole family group:

43815 1819 BEACH John Edgeworth Samuel Mary Clearwell Shoemaker Newland
43861 1820 BEACH William Samuel Mary Clearwell Cordwainer Newland
43934 1823 BEACH Cordelia Samuel Mary Redbrook Shoemaker Newland
44064 1825 BEACH Anne Samuel Mary Redbrook Shoemaker Newland
44165 1827 BEACH Eliza Samuel Mary Redbrook Shoemaker Newland

Sadly no Sarah Beach, and I cannot find a suitable Burial for Samuel before 1838... so this theory is clearly flawed...??

NOTE !!

Prior to posting this I deliberately didnt follow Clare's original post wrt Sarah Beach's Parents, as she had questioned it, so it's gratifying that we agree wrt mother name = Mary. However clearly I do not yet share her view that the father is Thomas Beach and that this is the correct Marriage;

Record ID 61964
Entry Number 45
Year 1797
Month Aug
Day 31
Grooms Surname BEACH
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Newland
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname KEAR
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Newland
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Richard James
Witness 2 Thos Bond
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Thos Thomas curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/9
Page Number 884
Parish Chapel Newland

I understand the logic wrt his name being Thomas, altho' I suspect it's Thomas Dobbs, but I cannot find any Baptisms in the FoD PRs for either Sarah or Anne with these parents.

Clare, please can you confirm your thinking here, thanks ??.

TIME FOR A SNOOZE METHINKS, will revist and finish this later today ...

Re: Richard Henry Ward d 1930 Coleford (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 11 May 2012 04:00:34 +0000

For completeness I find Richard's Death,

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Sep 1930
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Ward Richard H. 77 Monmouth 11a 19 JHS

And from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 249922
Entry_Number: 1431
Year: 1930
Month: Jul
Day: 9
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Richard Henry
Residence: Palmers Flat Nr Coleford
Age_at_death: 77 years
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 179
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: W630

Which of course ties-in with this Baptism from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 38648
Entry_Number: 683
Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: WARD
Child_Forenames: Richard Henry
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Factory Cottages
Occupation: Tin Worker
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W630

Parent's Marriage, again from FoD PRs:
Record_ID: 12503
Entry_Number: 158
Year: 1840
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate worker
Grooms_Residence: Whitecroft
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Ward
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Roller
Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: George Jones
Witness_2: Maryann Ward
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J B Clifford Off Min
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 79
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: W630
Soundex_Bride: B200

I can now see why Clare questioned Sarah's surname, but cannot explain it...yet.

Using FoD's Advanced Search, searching Marriages with Bride's Father = Thomas Dobbs, within the very near timeframe gives two similar puzzles:

1840 WARD George Whitecroft BEACH Sarah Whitecroft Newland (as above)
1838 JENKINS Josiah Bream BEACH Annie Whitecroft Newland (below)

Record_ID: 12427
Entry_Number: 82
Year: 1838
Month: Oct
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Josiah
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bream
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Annie
Brides_Age: Minor
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of William Gifford
Witness_2: Sarah Beach
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Ridout Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: J525
Soundex_Bride: B200

I cannot find this couple on GlosFH 1851 Census, or their offspring in FoD PRs, do they leave the area?

I cannot find definate Baptism Records for either of the girls, they are very popular(common) names locally. I wonder if Dobbs & Beach are now married ?

This is the ONLY Dobbs/Beach Marriage in ALL of the FoD PRs:

Record ID 36204
Entry Number 582
Year 1827
Month Jul
Day 15
Grooms Surname DOBBS
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age
Brides Condition Widow
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Wm Howells
Witness 2 Rich[ar]d Morgan
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister George Ridout Lecturer
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/11
Page Number 194
Parish Chapel Newland

So it's correct timeframe & locality, Mary Beach is a widow; could the girls be from her previous Marriage to Mr Beach ?

Which is confirmed by GlosFHS cd 1851 Census:

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0210-0225 ED.5D COLEFORD 1

Piece: 2444 Folio: 0216 Schedule: 028

Address: Whitecroft

DOBBS Thomas HD M 68 Beer House Keeper GLS Whitecroft (c1783)
DOBBS Mary WI M 75 - GLS Parkend (c1776)
BEACH Ester SV U 22 General Servant GLS Whitecroft (c1829)

Also note another Beach in the household...!

From FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 111542
Entry_Number: 392
Year: 1829
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: BEECH
Child_Forenames: Hester
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Whitecroft
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: B200

WARD/HILL (next door 1881/1891 census) + DAVIS (reply)

unknown — Wed, 09 May 2012 20:43:14 +0000

really useful, thank you.

William George WARD 1875 Bream -> Maesteg (reply)

unknown — Wed, 09 May 2012 20:41:47 +0000

amazing, thankyou.

William George WARD 1875 Bream -> Maesteg (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 May 2012 19:07:33 +0000

WARD William George
WARD WARD HILL
1875 Forest of Dean
Monmouth, Coleford 33 51

1881
Richard H. Ward abt 1854 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen J. Ward abt 1855 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Willie C. Ward abt 1875 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A. Ward . abt 1878 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard A. Ward abt 1880 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lilian J. Ward Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Richard H. Ward abt 1854 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Willie G Ward abt 1875 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertie Ward abt 1876 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Ward abt 1878 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lily Ward abt 1881 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Nora Ward abt 1884 Cinderford, Bream Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911 44 Castle St Maesteg Glamorgan
William Ward 35 bristol?
Emily Ward 32 maesteg
Richard Ward 3
Isabel Ward 1

siblings ?

Name: Blanche Ward
Mother's Maiden Name: Griffiths
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1911
Registration district: Bridgend
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1923

Name: Hilda N Ward
Mother's Maiden Name: Griffiths
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration district: Bridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1905

Ellen Jane HILL 1853 Redbrook (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 May 2012 17:23:20 +0000

I cannot find parents for Ellen Jane HILL (29 10 1853 - 16 1 1890) neither can I find the 2nd marriage for her widower, Richard Henry WARD, who moved to Cinderford after Ellen Jane died.
Many thanks
Clarityclaire

possible

Year: 1824
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: HILL
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Staunton
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Richd Davies Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Staunton

census

1861
William Hill abt 1826 Stanton, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Hill abt 1823 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Rollings Hill abt 1852 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Jane Hill abt 1853 Redbrock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlott Elizth Hill abt 1855 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Cathrine Ann Hill abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Rowland Hill abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
William Hill 46
Ann Hill 47
George Hill 19
Ellen Hill 17
Charlotte Hill 15
Ann Hill 13
Rowland Hill 11
Charles Hill 8
Mary Hill 6

1881
William Hill abt 1826 Stauton, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Hill abt 1827 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William R. Hill abt 1861 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles H. Hill abt 1864 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary H. Hill abt 1866 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

WARD/HILL (next door 1881/1891 census) + DAVIS (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:32 +0000

WARD

Gloucestershirebdm

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Marriage:

Richard Henry WARD, married Ellen Jane HILL - FOD Monmouth Register Office 1875

Birth:

William George WARD - 1875 Coleford

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1911 Census, Wales Monmouthshire, West Dean

Living in 6 rooms

No. 24 The Square, Parkend, Glos

Mary REES - Head - 66 Widow, 6 children born alive, 5 living 1 dead, born Parkend, Glos
Richard Henry WARD - 58 - Brother - Widower, Labourer, born Lydney Glos
Francis Annie REES - daughter - 30 single, all born Parkend Glos
Wallace REES - son - 26 single labourer
William Henry SMITH - Boarder - 22 single Signalman Railway, born Berkeley, Glos
Vernon George BAKER - Boarder - 21 single, Signalman Railway, born Berkeley, Glos

1881 Census, Glos, West Dean

Bream Eaves

HILL

WILLIAM - 55 -Millman Tinworks, born Staunton, G.los
Ann - 54 - born Lydbrook
William R?- 20 - Foregman Tinworks, born Parkend
Charles H - 17 -
Mary H - 15

next door

William H WARD - 27 Tinplate Rooler, born Lydney
Ellen - 26 - born Redbrook
Willie E - 6 - born Bream Eaves
Sarah A - 3
Richard A - 1
Lilian J? - 1 month

1891 Census, Glos East

Upper Bilson

HILL

WILLIAM - HEAD - 66 Labourer, born Staunton, Glos
Anni - 65 - born Lydbro
Bessie BAILEY - 9 - Scholar, born Parkend

next door

WARD

Richard - Head -Widower - 39 - Tin Roller - born Lydney
Billie G - son - 16 Grovers Assistant
Gertie - 15
Richard - 13
Lily - 10
Nora - 7

??
1901 Census, Monmouthshire, West Dean Parkend

WARD

Richard - 47 - Labourer Saw Mills, born Lydney
Margaret - 45 - born Monmouthshire, Victoria ***
Lizzie - 19 - Dressmaker, born Mon. Aberdare
Annie J - born Mon. Aberdare
Albert GOLDING - Visitor - 22 - born Mon. Aberdare **
Leonard Hill - 18 - ditto

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FOD records

Burial at Parkend - 23 July 1905

Margaret WARD - age 50 - residence Parkend

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????

1891 Census, East Dean

DAVIS

Margaret - Widow - 35 - Dressmaker, born Victoria, Monmouthshire
Mary - 12 - born Mon. Aberdare
Elizabeth - 9 - born Mon. Aberdare
Ann Jane - 1 - born Mon. Aberdare

Richard Ward b. 1777

unknown — Wed, 09 May 2012 16:50:21 +0000

WARD FAMILY Newland Chapel.
Please, has anybody done anything on the WARD family as I would like confirmation of my links (being a beginner) and also some help.

My grandfather was William (George) WARD, b. abt 1875 in Bream, who moved to Maesteg, and married Emily GRIFFITHS
His father was Richard Henry WARD b.18 Aug 1853 in Lydney married to Ellen Jane HILL b. 29 Oct 1853 of Redbrook.
His father was George WARD b. 22/3/1818 Redbroke who married ?Sarah BEACH b. abt 1813 in Breen Chapel, Newlands (parents Thomas BEACH 1772 and Mary KEAR b. 1778)

His father was Richard WARD 1777, who married Frances HARRIS

However, I don't feel too secure in my research, and the whole stack of cards will fall if I have gone adrift in the beginning.

I cannot find parents for Ellen Jane HILL (29 10 1853 - 16 1 1890) neither can I find the 2nd marriage for her widower, Richard Henry WARD, who moved to Cinderford after Ellen Jane died.
Many thanks
Clarityclaire