It's a long time since I have heard from you and 10 years since we met up in Vancouver.

I cannot get on line with my PC at the moment, due to a faulty phone line. This message from a borrowed (with permission) Wi Fi signal from my neighbour using my iPad. I haven't checked the web site for a while.

A hole in our pavement revealing our phone cable looks promising for a repair. Fingers crossed.

Jim Ashton

Terry MARFELL

Jim Ashton

Any chance you could point me to the photo of 'Jack the Lad' please?!! And possibly the newspaper cutting?

Many thanks

I mistook the 'I' (in your posting for Annie's possible marriage) as a numeral and confused Barton for Barton Regis, (Bristol) hence my previous reply.

Having found the notice now, I realise the wedding was Barton upon Irwell - which seems a long way - and I'll have to do more to try and validate this. Unless anyone else knows differently...!!

Thanks again.

I will look into these leads especially the marriage as Annie had many relatives in Bristol at that time.

Thanks for confirmation, your extra little snippets are much appreciated.

As Dewey has observed, I probably - to be more accurate - have stated that Fred travelled to USA twice.

I believe he was the Fred boarding in the Police Station in 1891.

I have 8 Fred/Frederick Marfell's, but only 2 "other" Fred's are in the same time frame. Starting with the least likely to the other Fred you mention are :

(1) Frederick John Marfell born 9 Sep 1871 Walford, died 29 Mar 1953 New Zealand, he was son of Jonathon Marfell 29 Mar 1843/1922 & Sophia Anne Turner 1840 Peterstowe.
Frederick John 1871 married Sara Marion Seymour (May)Connelly 1871 on 13 Sep 1898 Auckland, New Zealand - 2 children.

1881 Census Image Jonathon 1843
Source: FHL Film 1341624 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2588 Folio 36 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Johnathan MARFELL M 38 M Newent, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 202 Acres Employ 5 Labourers
Sophia A. MARFELL M 40 F Peterstow, Hereford, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmers Wife
Robert J. MARFELL 11 M Walford, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Frederick J. MARFELL 9 M Walford, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth H. MARFELL 7 F Weston, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Alice M. MARFELL 5 F Peterstow, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Herbert T. MARFELL 3 M Much Birch, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Lydia L. MARFELL 1 F Much Birch, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Ann WILLIAMS U 20 F Llangattoch, Monmouth, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Governess
Mary ROWLEY U 19 F Canon Pyon, Hereford, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: General Servant Domestic

(2) Frederick Marfell baptised 23 Mar 1872 Linton son of John Henry Marfell 1836/1924 & Sarah Jane Biggs 1846/1904. This Frederick Marfell died Ludlow 1890.

Census data for father John Marfell :

1851 Census Linton
Thomas Tranter 42 *** Out of business Hereford
Esther wife 50 Dorrington
Anne dtr 11 St Leonards
Sophia Marfell dtr in law 16 Newland
John Marfell son in law 15 Newland

*** Thomas Tranter married Hester Stehens 1801 on 6 Feb 1834. Hester's first spouse was Thomas Marfell 24 April 1792, this being Thomas Marfell's second marriage.

1861 Census Tredegar
Horlick Family outfitters
John Marfell Visitor 25 Grocer & Draper Newland

1881 Census Image John 1836
Dwelling: Post Office
Census Place: Linton In Newent, Hereford, England
Source: FHL Film 1341610 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2527 Folio 30 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John MARFELL M 45 M Newland, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Grocer & Post Master
Sarah J. MARFELL M 35 F Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife
Thomas H. MARFELL 12 M Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William J. MARFELL 11 M Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Frederick MARFELL 9 M Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth MARFELL 9 F Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Sarah J. MARFELL 7 F Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Henrietta MARFELL 4 F Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur
Edith MARFELL 1 F Linton, Hereford, England
Rel: Daur

1891 Census Huddersfield
John Marfell 55 Sewing Machine Salesman Newland
Sarah 45 Mantle Saleswoman Gloucrester
Elizabeth dtr 19 drapers asst. Linton

1901 Census Huddersfield St John
RG13 4107/4 Page 25 Folio 166
11 Honaria Street Huddersfield
Jno 65 Newland Music Agent
Sarah 55 Newland
Thomas 32 Linton Woollen Warehouseman
Elizabeth 29 Linton Drapers Asst.
Sarah 26 Linton Drapers Asst.
Henrietta 24 Linton Milliner Saleswoman
Edith 21 Linton Mantle Saleswoman

Regarding Fred 1870's Mining Experience, the certificate I have is for "Mine Examiner" State of Illinois, dated 14th June 1904, so obviously on arrival in US he gave up any ambitions towards the Police.

His photograph makes him look quite the "Jack the Lad" I will post it - if I haven't already done so. He was "responsible" for hundred's of Marfell's in America.

I also have a newspaper cutting regarding the death of Wallace Marfell, this caused some confusion as the press item from the Forest of Dean Mercury 12th June 1885 describes an Edwin Marfell, but the date of death and the description regarding copious quantities of alcohol, match the death certificate I have for him.

Jim Ashtobn

You are right Kate Marfell born 25 Mar 1876 daughter of Benjamin Marfell & Elizabeth Mason did indeed marry Samuel Mitchell born 1874 Bailieborough Co. Cavan, Ireland, in St Peters Ch. Liverpool in 1895. Kate was the sister of Sophia Dora Marfell one of her 11 siblings.

I have posted a picture of Benjamin Marfell & Elizabeth Mason, looking very upright citizens. They married 11 April 1858 in Christchurch, West Dean, not a short walk from Ruardean considering Elizabeth was 8 months pregnant with Sophia Dora Marfell. The church was obviously chosen because of this fact. Ironically a witness was Benjamin's sister Selina Marfell whose second marriage was to someone 37 years her junior, her first husband William Read was the other witness. Selina Read nee Marfell was only 3 months pregnant with her first child - Dora on 19 Mar 1859 at her first marriage.

Jim Ashton

Looking on Ancestry, there are a number Annie T FENWICK's including.....

British Phone Books -

Annie T Fenwick - 1949, 1950, 1951 - 8 Compton Place, Eastbourne.

Eastbourne is an area where lots of people retire to.

or

FreeBDM

Marriage J/A/S Atr 1919 - Barton I District

Annie T FENWICK
Henry P HARRISON

Name: Annie Thompson Fenwick
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1887
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 245

1891
William T Fenwick abt 1861 Durham, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Fenwick abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William T Fenwick abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie T Fenwick abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
William Fenwick abt 1861 Durham, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Fenwick abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Fenwick abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911 16 Cornwall Gardens, Kensington S W
Annie Thompson Fenwick abt 1887 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Kensington, London

I have traced a couple of possible Annie T Marriages and deaths but none so far tie back to your Annie's birth :-(

Jim,
Did he really emigrate twice? or is the second entry merely the result of a visit back to England?
Dewey

My interpretation is he travelled to the States between 1891 and 1898 and returned to the UK twice ( at least) in the 1920's

I have a postcard from the early 1900s adressed to The Farm, Ruardean Woodside, Nr Mitcheldean Glos-shire. The family that lived there were William Taylor FENWICK 1860-1934 born in County Durham, and his wife Sophia Dora nee MARFELL 1858-1947 who was the daughter of Benjamin MARFELL and Elizabeth nee MASON 1827-1922&23.

They had two children: A son William Taylor FENWICK 1883-1954 who moved to Birkenhead and is listed on the 1911 census as a nephew of Samuel MITCHELL 1871.

Their daughter Annie Thompson FENWICK 1888 was in Kensington London as a ladies maid in 1911. I would be very interested to know if anyone has any further information about what happened to Annie after that. Did she marry? When did she die?

PS
I believe that Samuel MITCHELL, (who William Taylor FENWICK 1883 was staying with in 1911 in Birkenhead) married Kate MARFELL 1876, in Liverpool in 1895, who was also a daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth MARFELL.

Thank you both for a very full set of information, it always amazes me how much you know! This has helped me sort out ‘my’ Fred Marfell 1870 born in Eastdean and Frederick Marfell 1872 born in Linton.

Jim, do you think the 1891 census showing Fred as a police constable is the same Fred who emigrated twice? If this is the case I am fascinated by your comment that he forged a birth certificate to gain entry into the States – perhaps he learnt a few tricks of the trade whilst he was at the Police Station! I presume the forgery wasn’t very convincing. Do you know if he became a mining engineer after he emigrated?

I have a Lot of information regarding Fred Marfell, including a copy of his original birth certificate, born 30 Jan 1870 Ruardean, illegitimate son of Bertha Marfell, grandson of Levi Marfell & Lydia nee Marfell. Also a copy of his forged birth certificate showing a father Levi Marfell, used on entry to USA. He died 12 July 1936 St Catherine's Hosp. Indiana Harbour, IL.USA, buried 14 Jul 1936 Springdale Cemetery, Peoria, IL. USA

I have his US naturalisation papers, Mining Engineer certificate and his photograph. I also have details for his 11 children and their dependants from his first wife Mary Magdalen Schilling born 16 Oct 1867 Belleville, IL, USA, died 27 Sep 1943 Peoria IL. USA, and know of his second wife Mary Gray, but know nothing about her. I also have no knowledge of either marriage.

He emigrated twice :

-2 Oct 1920, shown arriving at Ellis Island on the ship "Imperator departed from Southampton, England. He is shown as married and residing in Pieoria IL.
-24 Aug 1924, shown arriving at Ellis Island on the ship "Mauretania" departed from Southampton, England. Shown as married and from Pieoria, IL.

His mother Bertha Marfell married twice - to Aaron James Roberts 1853/1884 on 27 Oct 1873 Forest Church - 5 children, then following his death she married William Webb 1868 on 12 Oct 1885 Cinderford 4 children.

She had 2 illegitimate children Fred 1870 & Wallace Birt 1872/5 Jun 1885, his death certificate shows Alcoholic poisoning & Convulsions.

I haven't had time to study Slowhands information but from a quick glance I have gained new information - Bertha's burial.

Jim Ashton

One for Jim.....

MARFELL Fred
father - not given
Mother - MARFELL
1870 Forest of Dean
Westbury on Severn, Newnham 31 200

http://www.marfell.org/webtrees/index.php?ctype=gedcom

Son of BERTHA MARFELL 1853 ??

Name: Bertha Webb
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1928
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 315

Year: 1928
Month: Nov
Day: 8
Surname: WEBB
Forenames: Bertha
Residence: 91 Victoria St Cinderford
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: Min of Baptist Ch. Cinderford
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 165
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1911 Victoria Street, Cinderford, Gloshire
William Webb 46
Bertha Webb 57
Annie Webb 23
Alfred William Webb 17
Elsie Webb 9
Kathleen Jessie Webb

1901
William Webb abt 1866 Carfillery, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Webb abt 1853 Ruardean; Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Webb abt 1882 Ruardean; Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Webb abt 1890 Ruardean; Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Willie Webb abt 1894 Ruardean; Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Webb abt 1888 Ruardean; Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Willm Webb abt 1866 Caerphilly, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Webb abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Roberts abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Roberts abt 1881 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Roberts abt 1882 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mabel Roberts abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bessie Webb abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Webb abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Webb abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Sydney Roberts
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1888
Age at Death: 13
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 182

WEBB William
ROBERTS Bertha
Forest of Dean Cinderford St John the Evangelist
1885 2 398

Year: 1885
Month: Oct
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: WEBB
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Webb
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Solomon
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Bertha
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Marfell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Levi
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs; she marks
Witness_1: Alfred Geo[rge] Bowerman
Witness_2: Ann Meredith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: D W Rees Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Brides mark entered as Bertha Roberts her X Witness D W Rees curate of Cinderford
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 199
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1881
James Roberts abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Roberts abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Roberts abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Roberts abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Roberts East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1873
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Brides_Surname: MARFELL
Brides_Forenames: Bertha
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Marfell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Levi
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Albert Marfell
Witness_2: Elizabeth Blake
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861 Ruardean Hill
Levi Marfell abt 1821 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Marfell abt 1824 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Marfell abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Marfell abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ruebhen Marfell abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Marfell abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Marten Marfell abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Possible Birth (I can't find it on this site)
Name: MARFELL, Fred
Registration district: Westbury on Severn County: Gloucestershire
Year of registration: 1870 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 6A Page no: 241

One for Jim.....

MARFELL Fred
father - not given
Mother - MARFELL
1870 Forest of Dean
Westbury on Severn, Newnham 31 200

http://www.marfell.org/webtrees/index.php?ctype=gedcom

Son of BERTHA MARFELL 1853 and brother to Wallace 1872-1885 ??

Year: 1885
Month: Jun
Day: 10
Surname: MARFELL
Forenames: Wallace
Residence: The Farm
Age_at_death: 13
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated Upper Yd Levi 12 Row 17
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 194

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FRED MARFELL
Birth

30 January 1870 17
Ruardean Hill, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Naturalisation 7 November 1898 ‎(Age 28)‎
LaSalle, IL

Occupation

Mine Examiner
14 June 1904 ‎(Age 34)‎
LaSalle, IL

Death12 July 1936 ‎(Age 66)‎
Indiana

Burial Peoria, IL

A Shipping Record has a 48 yr old USA miner going to 8 West End Parade Gloucester

Name: Fred Marfell
Birth Date: abt 1872
Age: 48
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1920
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cherbourg
Ship Name: Imperator
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 144301

Also, as I believe this may be him in 1924 on a 'tourist' trip to New York (possibly to visit relatives?) does anyone know if it is him and if he returned to this country? And where he died? So far all I have is:

Possible Birth (I can't find it on this site)
Name: MARFELL, Fred
Registration district: Westbury on Severn County: Gloucestershire
Year of registration: 1870 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 6A Page no: 241

1871 census
Address: Road Near Vaughans Pool, East Dean
MARFELL, Levi Head M 50 1821 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Lydia Wife F 46 1825 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Albert Son M 22 1849 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Reuben Son M 19 1852 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Birtha Daughter F 17 1854 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Martin Son M 13 1858 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1862 Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Fred Grandson M 1 1870 Gloucestershire

1881 census
Address: East Dean
MARFELL, Levi Head Married M 60 1821 Coal Miner Unemployed Near Blind East Dean, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Lydia Wife Married F 56 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Martin Son Single M 23 1858 Cripple East Dean, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1862 East Dean, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Fredrick Grand Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Wallace Grand Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 census
Address: Police Station, Village, Guiting Power
HUNT, William Head Married M 48 1843 Police Constable Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire
HUNT, Martha Wife Married F 50 1841 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire
HUNT, Emily Daughter Single F 15 1876 Pupil Teacher Northleach, Gloucestershire
HUNT, George E Son M 12 1879 Pupil Teacher Salperton, Gloucestershire
HUNT, Alice K Daughter F 8 1883 Guiting, Gloucestershire
MARFELL, Fred Boarder Single M 21 1870 Police Constable Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1924
Name: Fred MARFELL
Date of departure: 9 August 1924
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA
Date of Birth: 1872 (calculated from age)
Age: 52
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Tourist
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 26
Ship: MAURETANIA

Thank you in advance for any help.