I guess with younger Mary I had better send for some birth cert to see which one is her.
sandie

Christening @ Saint Catherine's Gloucester - John SMITH- 6 April 1806 - parents Daniel & Edith

Christening @ Minsterworth - William SMITH 27 October 1811 - Daniel & Edith

Gloucestershire Baptism Index

Christenings at Minsterworth - parents Daniel (Farmer) & Edith

Anne - 20 October 1814
Daniel - 27 April 1817
Edmund - 22 September 1822

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1841 Census, Glos. Newnham

Darl SMITH - 65 - Farmer - all born in County
Edith - 64
Charles - 43
Edmund - 18

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1851 Census, East Dean

SMITH

Edmund - 29 - born Minsterworth
Eliza - 27 - born Flaxley
Ann - 5- born Littledean
Thomas - 2
William - 2

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FOD records

Marriage at Flaxley - 31 January 1845

Edmund SMITH, Bachelor, Collier, Township of East Dean
father: Daniel SMITH, Collier

married

Eliza DAVIS, full age, Spinster, Township of East Dean
father: Thomas DAVIS, Farmer
by banns

witnesses: John DAVIS - and Harriett MARTIN

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FOD records

Marriage at Churcham - 18 April 1796

Daniel SMITH - residence Parish of Minsterworth

married

Edith ALLEN - of this Parish

by Licence

witnesses; John & Anne SMITH

Child Surname: LEWIS
Child Forename: Mary Elizabeth
Father Surname: LEWIS
Mother Surname: LEWIS
Mother's Former Name: WILLIAMS
Year: 1871
Office: Gloucester Huntley
Register: 12
Entry: 285

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index

Hempsted

Robert LEWIS married Elizabeth THOMAS - 13 February 1831 residence South Hamlet

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Gloucestershire Genealogical Database - Non-Conformist

Christening: - William 'Thomas' LEWIS *- 24 April 1832, St Owens, Gloucester - parents Robert & Elizabeth

*a later family name...

Christening - Mary Elizabeth - 29 March 1835 - father: Robert LEWIS (Barge Builder) and Elizabeth
Christening: address: Littleworth - 12 September 1837, David, father: Robt: & Elizabeth

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GloucestershireBDM - David LEWIS 1837 - mother's maiden name THOMAS & Alfred 1840 - mother's maiden name THOMAS

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1841 Census (the family are living - Back Terrace) Robert occupation: Chief Carpenter

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Gloucestershire Burial Index

Alfred LEWIS - age 14 months - 27 July 1841 - St Michael's Hamlet
Robert LEWIS - age 39 - 25 November 1847 - residence St James Back Terrace c1808
Elizabeth LEWIS - age 49 - 4 May 1845 - residence St James Back Terrace c1796

? Church of Latter Day Saints, christening Berkeley 10 July 1808 Robert LEWIS, father: William LEWIS

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1851 Gloucester St Catherine District Gloucester Union Workhouse

Mary Lewis, 18 - Servant, born Gloucester

1851 Gloucester North Hamlet

David LEWIS: Bakers Apprentice (to John McKEE) - age 15 - born Glos. Barton St Michael

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? 1861 Census
Bisley, Glos

Chalford

William T LEWIS - 29 - labourer - born Gloucester
Mary A - 29 - Silk Windress, born Bisley
Mary - 2
Elizabeth - 1

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Gloucestershirebdm - William T LEWIS/Mary A HOOPER - Stroud, Chalford, Christ Church 1856

My feeling is she is ........Emily Smith who married Henry Williams had a daughter also called Emily who married a Joseph Hart........they had 2 daughters who I did meet when younger they lived in Rustpidge and they refered to my grandmother Frances as their Aunt which if my supposition that her mother was the daughter of William Smith would be correct.

Mary Elizabeth the younger did in 1911 call herself Elizabeth Smith she was living at same address in Alvin Street as in 1901.......I have no ide why she didnt bring up Frances herself, and didnt even realise my Nan was born in the workhouse till after she died.....to late to ask any questions.

can you tell me if the workhouse records would give me anymore information?
I live in Oxfordshire so could visit Archives.

sandie

Year: 1866
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: mark of Thomas Church
Witness_2: Emma Probyn
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.C.Brice perp. curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Full and Newnham centred in box
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 180
Parish_Chapel: Newnham

1871 Littledean Silver St
Henry Williams 30 Collier
Emma Williams 26
William James Williams 4

1881
Henry Williams abt 1843 Horseley Glos, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Williams abt 1846 Blaize Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William J. Williams abt 1867 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
George A. Williams abt 1874 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert F. Williams abt 1876 Blaize Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma L. Williams abt 1880 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Emma Williams abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
George A Williams abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Williams abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emilia Williams E abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Arthur E Williams abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Frances Louisa Lewis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 262

1901
Josiah Tippetts abt 1831 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Head St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Tippetts abt 1837 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire
Louisa Lewis abt 1888 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Lodger St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire

1901
Emma Williams abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean, Gloucestershire
George Williams abt 1874 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
Emma Williams abt 1881 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Arthur Williams abt 1884 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
Francis Lewis abt 1889 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Littledean, Gloucestershire
{given as Visitor rather than related}

1911 Mornington, Elmbridge Road, Gloucester
Rudolf Davis 56
Jessie Caroline Davis 48
Gertrude Minna Davis 12
Frances Louise Lewis 22

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1861
Mary E Lewis abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

Name: Mary Elizabeth Lewis
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1870
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 231

1871 Looks like Soudley / Blaize Hill area
William Smith 58 Head Minsterworth
William Smith 20 Son East Dean
Alice Smith 18 Daughter East Dean
Mary C Lewis 36 Visitor Gloucester
Mary C Lewis 1 Daughter East Dean
[this is ambiguous - it "reads" that young Mary E is the daughter of the head of household, but I suspect it should read daughter of Visitor}

Name: William Thomas Lewis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 230

Year: 1877
Month: Jan
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: William Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: [base born]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean Workhouse
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 166
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

Year: 1877
Month: Oct
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: [base born]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean Workhouse
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 171
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

1881 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1835 Gloucester City of Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Elizth. Lewis abt 1870 The Bailey Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Thos. Lewis abt 1872 The Bailey Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

1891 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1835 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

1901 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

Year: 1909
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Surname: LEWIS
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Workhouse Westbury
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: Robert Bruce
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Died 14 Jan 1909
Notes: No. of Grave 224
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/13
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

sandie

In 1822 it opened a workhouse in the former Red Lion inn (fn. 62) and appointed a governor to farm the poor in it for £240, the inmates' earnings, and bastardy payments. From 1823 the workhouse was also used by the parishes of Abenhall and Flaxley, and from 1824 it was run as a pin factory. In 1826 Littledean parish had 13 bedsteads in the workhouse. (fn. 63)

From: 'Littledean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 159-173. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23258 Date accessed: 17 June 2012.

my gggrandmother & ggrandmother spent quite a bit of time in the workhouse Westbury upon Severn........there was also a brother
names are Mary Elizabeth Lewis b 1835/36 Gloucester and Mary Elizabeth Lewis b 1870 Eastdean and William Thomas Lewis b c 1872 Eastdean
all are in 1881 census in workhouse.
Looking at Parish records they appear to have been baptised in 1877 but William was baptised in January and Mary in October it says Littledean workhouse was this the same as Westbury upon Severn? and would it be usual to baptise girls and boys separatly?

Would workhouse records have information on father? I am fairly sure who the father was as Mary was living with a William Smith in 1871 and Mary Elizabeth b 1870 had a daughter Frances Louisa Lewis my grandmother also baseborn in Gloucester workhouse and in 1901 she was living with her halfsister Emma Williams nee Smith. It has taken about 6 years to get this far but it still leaves a few unanswered questions, which I wish I had asked my Gran when she was alive!!

sandie