I can't remember now how confident I was of this being correct. Often for pre-census times, I have put my best guesses in. Not being super well-organised and having a memory which occasionally switches off has led me to write things down, even though I am not certain the info is right.

Cheers

Nick

Generally I've found that back in the day people did not make up new names. They were usually traditional, and ran in families. Henry son of William, son of Henry etc.

An exception is surnames used as first names. One I've come across several times, which I hand't seen before is Kedgwyn eg Kedgwyn Hoskyns - this in relation to the Worgan family in Newland. My guess is it was the surname of a wife and was used as a Christian name, but I'm not sure about it.

All the best Nick

There's no other mention of a Warand Baldwyn anywhere, there's a Warren Baldwin but he was born in America around the same time.

I haven't done much in the way of follow-up work on this part of my Tree having got swamped by Worgans in the Newland area pre-1750. I'm by no means an expert, but I do know more about them now than I ever expected to :-)

I have a little more tentatively correct info on these Baldwin ancestors - just let me know if it interests you, please.

All the best

Nick

As far as I can see, they are a different set of Baldwins to the ones you are researching, but I've been wrong before :-)

Good luck, Nick

How far back did you manage to get with the Baldwins in the end?

I know the chances of a response are unlikely given this original post was 10 year ago. However...

I was wondering whether you made any progress on your wife's family tree?

I am direct 3x great grandson of Cornelius Baldwin who I believe was born in 1862, he married Emma Matthews who died possibly due to complications of childbirth when she had my great great grandfather Arthur Edward Baldwin (b. 1888). Cornelius was son of another Cornelius (b.1837) who was the son of Moses Baldwin (b.1818).

Are you still here? ????

Record_ID: 177578
Entry_Number:
Year: 1785
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: HOLDER
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P165 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury

Regards
-Colin

1841 Census Dean Forest Ross

Clements Green

Charles BALDWIN - 53 - Wood Coolier - born in County
Elizabeth BALDWIN - 56 - born in County

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'Also son of Charles BALDWIN who married Elizabeth HOLDER 14 March 1811 at St Briavels' - possible children

Sally 1812, Littledean
Anne - 1816 - Flaxley
James - 1819 - Drybrook'

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FOD records - Marriage at Newland - 12 April 1845

Isaac JONES - of full age Bachelor, father: John JONES, Tinman

married

Sophia BALDWIN - of full age, Spinster, residence: Lydbrook

father: Charles BALDWIN, Woodman

witnesses: John and Ann HUZZEY

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Children of Isaac/Sophia JONES

Morgan Charles - 1850 English Bicknor
William Edward and Christian - 1857 - Lydbrook
Ruth Elizabeth and Hester - 1862 - Lydbrook

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1861 Census, English Bicknor, Lydbrook

JONES

Isaac - 36, Tin Polisher, born Kent, Greenwich
Suffica - 36 - born Newland (christened at Drybrook - 25 June 1826)
Jacob - 12 - born Newland
Edwin - 6
Christyannah - 4
Ruth - 1
John JONES - father - 66

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Marriage at Newland - 24 December 1842

James BALDWIN - of full age, Bachelor, - Charcoal Burner

father: Charles BALDWIN, Charcoal Burner

married

Caroline LEWIS, Minor, Spinster, father: William LEWIS, miner

mark of John POWELL, Letitia BALDWIN

I have Cheasey Baldwin in my tree, she is a female, bap. 30/06/1799, Ruardean.
Then she appears as a witness at sister's wedding of Winifred Baldwin to Amos Yemm, at Hope Mansell 13/06/1821.
Then Cheasey, (Chrissy), marries at Hope Mansell, Chreasey Baldwin to Thomas Jordan, 24/08/1822.
Hope this is of help.
Regards Carol

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eliza1&id=I16

I hope the information I provided is useful, because the information you have provided - i.e. Edward Parsons first wife is very useful to me. I have Lydia Parsons in my family tree - not related. Mary is the daughter of James Parsons - as on your marriage certificate - and Mary Parker 1798 married 5 Aug 1815 English Bicknor. 9 Children includng Lydia of course and Timothy 1816 who married Ann Hall 1822 - 9 children, including Rhoda 1849 who married my 1st cousin 3 times removed Cornelius Brain 1848 son of Simeon Brain 1819 & Ann Marfell 1824. Another sibling of Lydia's was James 1823 who married Theophilia Meredith 1826 - 8 children, including Mary 1847 who married Timothy Yemm 1847, son of Amos Baldwin Yemm 1819 & Rebecca Marfell 1816. Amos Baldwin Yemm is the son of Amos Yemm & Winifred Baldwin- sister of Cornelius 1794. Another sibling of Lydia's is Benjamin Parsons 1825 who married my 6th cousin 3 times removed Jane Tippins 1833, their daughter Mirrium 1857 married my 7th cousin twice removed William Wilce 1843. If you go back 4 generations from Jane Tippins 1833 you of course get back to another Marfell, I do not bother to mention my relationship to any Marfell as I am related to them all. If you can go back far enough, you cannot fail to be.

Going back to James Parsons 1794 - father of Lydia, his parents are Thomas Parsons 1770 and Lucy Baldwin 1771 whose parents are Thomas Baldwin 1746 & Sarah Waldin 1746 who were mentioned in my previous posting. Parents of Thomas Parsons 1770 are John Parsons & Mary Amphley.

I have the same ancestors as you have noted for Charles Baldwin 1737 & Betty (no idea what her surname is) - James Baldwin 1693 & Sarah Barnard 1699 married 27 Dec 1719 - 12 children. I only have info on one other of those children Ankrat Baldwin 1743 who married Robert Hatton 1744, if you go through 3 generations there are 2 children that married relatives of mine. I have the parents of James Baldwin 1693 as Charles Baldwin & Elizabeth Lamb 5 children, the other I have an interest in is Warren Baldwin 1689 who I believe is the father of James Baldwin who married Betty Brain 22 May 1743 - parents of Thomas Baldwin 1746 who is mentioned above.

I too have Cheasey Baldwin 1799 as a son of Charles Baldwin & Elizabeth Dovey. You mention 10 children, I have 11 - Hannah 1779, Betty 1781, Charles 1783, James 1785, Amelia 1787, Richard 1789, William 1791-21 Jan 1863, Cornelius 1794, Winifred 1797, Cheasey 1799, Thomas 1803.

Jim Ashton

Married on 22 December 1839 in the Parish Church in the parish of Flaxley in the county of Gloucester. Edwin Baldwyn, of full age, bachelor, engineer, resident in the hundreds of St Briavel's, father Cornelius Baldwyn, engineer. Lydia Parsons, of full age, spinster, resident in the hundreds of St Briavel's, father James Parsons, collier. Both made mark. Witnesses Isiah Parsons (mark) and William Young.

I have 1871 and 1881 census entries for Edward as follows:

1871 census: EDWARD BALDWIN (age 52, head, engine driver at coal pit, born East Dean, Gloucestershire), Lydia Baldwin (age 50, wife, born East Dean, Gloucestershire), Louisa Baldwin (age13, daughter, born East Dean, Gloucestershire), Miriam Baldwin (age 7, daughter, born East Dean, Gloucestershire), Elizabeth Baldwin (age 4, daughter, born East Dean, Gloucestershire) and three lodgers, Edward, Eliza and George Hawkins.

1881 census: EDWARD BALDWIN (age 65, head, engine man at colliery, born Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire), Lydia Baldwin (age 62, wife, born Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire), Miriam Baldwin (age 19, daughter, born Ruspidge, Gloucestershire), Elizabeth Badwin (age 13, daughter, born Ruspidge, Gloucestershire) and Edward T Baldwin (age 16, grandson, labourer at colliery, born Ruspidge, Gloucestershire). Living near Cinderford Iron Works, Tyler's Row, East Dean, Gloucestershire. RG11/2523/17/28.

From everything I've seen it does look as if the parents of Cornelius 1794 were Charles Baldwin 1755 and Elizabeth Dovey 1759. Interesting to see that Cornelius had 10 siblings but did Charles and Elizabeth really call one of their children Cheasey or is this a transcription error? You have Charles' parents as Charles 1737 and Betty - do you have a surname for Betty? I have a feeling that the parents of Charles 1737 may have been James Baldwin 1693 and Sarah Barnard - is this likely? In turn I believe James was the son of Charles Baldwin and Elizabeth Lamb who married 1681/82. I mentioned a number of public trees on Ancestry, one of these has Charles 1660 as Sir Charles Baldwin of Ruardean - is this possible or just wishful thinking.

Brian

I'm not sure of Slowhands assertion of expertise, I have recently changed one of my lines of Baldwin's due to a posting on this web site.

Jim - your understanding of this line is far better than mine :-)