Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Mary Elizabeth PARKER 1860 Yorkley

Mary Elizabeth PARKER 1860 Yorkley (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:54:02 +0000

Hi,

Yes that would be correct.

Pete

Mary Elizabeth PARKER 1860 Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:46:03 +0000

Just to confirm what we do know :--

Name: Mary Elizabeth Parker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1860
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 16

1861
John Parker abt 1835 Maisey Hampton, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Parker abt 1840 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William T Parker abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary E Parker abt 1860 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershir

1871
John Parker 44
Mary Parker 32
William T Parker 13
Mary E Parker 10
Emma Parker 8
Ann Parker 6
Sarah J Parker 4

1881
Mary Parker abt 1840 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife (Head) (Head) Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Parker abt 1862 Viney Hill West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah J. Parker abt 1867 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Edith Parker abt 1873 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
George Parker abt 1875 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry J. Parker abt 1880 Yorkshireley West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

possibly ( strong one !)
1881
Elizabeth Parker abt 1859 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Servant Stroud, Gloucestershire

Charles WAGER (Carpenter) 1860 - 1941 Gloucester (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:44:53 +0000

Hi,

I am coming to the conclusion that the Mary in the census returns is not mine.

Here is the 1881 census to which I believe to be Mary Elizabeth Parker

Name: Elizabeth Parker
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Stroud
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: White Hall
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cook Domestic
Registration district: Stroud
Sub-registration district: Stroud
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2544
Folio: 56
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Emely Walker 58
Elizabeth Parker 22

Assuming of course she dropped her first name.

pete

Charles WAGER (Carpenter) 1860 - 1941 Gloucester (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:30:19 +0000

1881
Charles Wager abt 1839 Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Head Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Selina Wager abt 1844 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Charles Wager abt 1862 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
William Wager abt 1865 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Minnie Wager abt 1868 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Harry Wager abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Frank Wager abt 1874 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Emily Wager abt 1876 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Ella Wager abt 1878 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Florence Wager abt 1880 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Gloucester Barton St Michael, Gloucestershire

1891
Charles Wager abt 1861 Gloucestershire, England Head Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Mary Wager abt 1860 Dunbar, Scotland Wife Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire

1901
Charles Wager abt 1862 Gloucestershire, England Head Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Mary Wager abt 1860 Edingburgh Wife Gloucester, Gloucestershire

1911 67 Brook St, Gloucester
Charles Wager 49 joiner
Mary Wager 50

Name: Charles Wager
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Cirencester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1293

Sarah LONG/Charles WAGER + 1911 census??? (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:46:54 +0000

I looked at that 1911 census as well, it's the Scotland bit which puts me off as its cant be misread as anything else other than what it is.
The 1891 census gives it as well

There is always the possible wrong People to start with,only way to fully prove the Wager/Parker marriage is a certificate

Pete

Sarah LONG/Charles WAGER (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:45:06 +0000

I would agree there, some very good out of the box thinking.

Pete

LONG/Charles WAGER (Carpenter) Mary PARKER - Scotland 1881 (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:41:47 +0000

Here's the 1871 Census, Glos. Barton St Mary

45 Barton Street

Sarah LONG - Head - W - 58 - born Wotten Under Edge
Joh - son - 21 - Porter, born Gloucester
Emily - dau - 14 - Apprentice - born Gloucester
Mary - daughter - 13 - Servant - born Gloucester
Charles WAGER - son-in-law - mar - 34 - Carpenter, born Painswick
Selina - daughter - 27 - born Gloucester
Charles - Grandson - 9 - born Glos
William - Grandson - 6 -
Minnie - grand-dau - 3
Maude - grand - dau 1 -

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Still wonder whether it's this couple.... (as there is a Mary PARKER - age 23, at Glos Holy Trinity 1881 census, General Servant, born Scotland

1911 Census, 67 Brook St. Glos

Charles WAGER - 49 Joiner (House) born Gloucester
Mary WAGER - 50 - married 29 years, no children, born Scotland Dumbar

1901 Census, Glos. South Hamlet,
5 Brook Street

WAGER

Charles - 39 - Joiner, born Gloucester
Mary - 41 - born Edinburgh

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Charles Jnr is a Carpenter with his parents on the 1881 census - so ....

Richard J C WAGER (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:32:38 +0000

Sorry an oversight indeed his death was 1923.always pays to have a second opinion

Pete

Richard J C WAGER - mother's maiden name LONG (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:30:29 +0000

Hi,

I would agree this is his birth indeed

Pete

Mary Summers Marries John Parker 1856 (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:26:39 +0000

Hi,

Yes George Summers was an uncle to Mary Elizabeth Wager nee Parker

As long as I have the marriage correct

Pete

Richard J C WAGER - (mother Selina nee LONG -1911 census) (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:25:17 +0000

GlosBDM

Richard John Charles WAGER's birth - mother's maiden name LONG

John Charles WAGER married Selina LONG - St Mary de Lobe 1861

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1911 Census, 96 Millbrook Street, Gladstone Villas, Gloucester

OAKLEY

George Alexandra - age 33 - Widower, Foreman Timber Trade GW Railways - born Hereford, Upton Bishop
William George - 10 - born Glos
Leonard Charles - 5 - ditto
Frak Auther GOODFELLOW - 16 - stepson, unemployed labourer timber - born Glos.
Selina WAGER, 68 - Widow - mother-in-law born Cheltenham

- Looking at the 1891 census - the family Stephen as the Head, is transcribed as SKEKELL

Richard J C WAGER (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:23:26 +0000

Hi,

This is Mary Elizabeth's husband.

Just cannot think of anymore spelling variants to find either him or Mary Elizabeth.

Pete

Richard J C WAGER (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:11:30 +0000

'in the same year she marries Richard John Charles WAGER - he dies in 1893' - born c 1861'

Ancestry

England & Wales, Death Index

Richard J C WAGER

Birth date: abt 1861

Date of Registration: O/N/D Qtr 1923

Age at death: 62

Registration District: Gloucester

Inferred County: Gloucestershire

Volume: 6a

Page: 387

Mary Summers Marries John Parker 1856 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:01:52 +0000

This looks like her mother's marriage from FoD PRs, Yorkley

Record_ID: 1724
Entry_Number: 12
Year: 1856
Month: Nov
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: PARKER
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Yorkley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parker
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: SUMMERS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age: minor
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Summers
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: James Summers
Witness_2: Emma Vines
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Baverstock B.A. Incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex_Groom: P626
Soundex_Bride: S562

Perhaps related to your previous thread ?
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=19910

Mary Elizabeth Wager cannot find on Census 1891-1911 (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:31:00 +0000

Hi,

Thanks for the help.

Here is Mary

PARKER Mary Elizabeth PARKER PARKER SUMMERS 1860 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 15 434

Mother was Mary Parker nee Summers...taken from the GlosBMD.

Pete.

Mary Elizabeth Wager cannot find on Census 1891-1911 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:00:26 +0000

Hi Pete,
if you havent pls look again at my updated post above, there some contradiction in your dates for Richard I think.
Also, I'm assuming you dont have Ancestry access ?.
If not, dont forget its free search is still very usefull giving lots of clues.
eg I've searched Census returns for Richard John Charles Wager born 1861 and residing around the Stroud Area. This gives a LOT of hits for CHARLES Wagers including one in the key 1891 year with spouse Mary. Of course these were very popular/common names so may not be our couple but...
I do think its worth trying to track Richard thro the census' and hopefully you'll find Mary on the way, also see what name he uses for himself if not Richard.
Cannot find her in the free 1911 Census, perhaps moved away from the area ?

VERY Sadly I havent got more time now (have to go and change my antifreeze yippee), but searching the laborious but effective LDS site maybe worth your while if you donm't have other census access. Takes a while to input the various parameter filters (I suggests place and year/decade of birth and nowt else), but can easily skim thro the various hits which do include variations of name spelling.

https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary%7E...

ATB Jeff

Mary Elizabeth Wager cannot find on Census 1891-1911 (reply)

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:06:32 +0000

Hi,

Firstly thanks for the reply,

Richard was born in 1861 reg district of Gloucester.Looking at the Wager name on FreeBMD some of them do seem to be around Stroud/Gloucester area.
Haven't tried Weager, so will give that a go.

Pete

Mary Elizabeth Wager cannot find on Census 1891-1911 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:57:30 +0000

Hi Pete,
I havent got full Ancestry access but looking at the free 1911 Census, plus LDS FAmily Search hasnt been too forthcoming as you say. You probably already have done, but have you tried tracking Richard thro the Census ?, do you have his birth or birthplace at all ?. Also, dont forget (for Yorkley) to search Monnmouthshire/Wales not just Glos. According to the above sites Weager & Wagner are possible? spelling variants. There certainly appears to be a lot of Wagers in the Stroud area according to LDS, altho no Richard yet, so maybe thats where he met Mary the cook. Have you checked the neighbouring households to hers on Stroud census?.
(Its odd, I'd have wagered ! this to be a rare name, proven wrong yet again!).
Hope this helps

To clarify, from FreeBMD;

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Sep 1841
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Wager Richard Tetbury XI 424 hawkeye
Wager Richard Tetbury XI 424 appledore

A father perhaps ?

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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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Wager Richard John Charles Gloucester 6a 245

fits
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Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%)
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PARKER Mary Elizabeth Gloucester 6a 498
WAGER Richard John C Gloucester 6a 498

BUT DOESN'T FIT

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Wager Richard John C 55 Gloucester 6a 191
ie aged 55 so born abt 1838, so probably same man as 1841 birth above ?
Cannot be the 1861 birth I think.

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Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Sep 1920
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WAGER Mary E. 59 Gloucester 6a 265 Daniel76
So born abt 1861.

Thers an awful lot of Mary E. Parkers on FreeBMD thro the 1800s in Glos !

Mary Elizabeth Wager cannot find on Census 1891-1911

pclark — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:41:14 +0000

I have Mary Elizabeth Wager nee Parker born 1861 in Yorkley. I have her up to the 1881 census in Stroud as Elizabeth Parker working as a cook.
In the same year she marries I believe Richard John Charles Wager. He dies in 1893.
A Mary E Wager death is recorded in 1920 age 59.

Have thought of every spelling I can think of but cannot seem to find them.

Pete