Several years ago I tried to trace a cousin of my Grandmother, Mrs, Florence Davey,
with just a letter in 1958 from Florrie from Nanticoke, Pennsylvania, and a post card from the SS George Washington, at Cardiff docks from Florrie and Mary to let my Grandmother know they would be calling in the next day and that they were staying at 78, Robert St. Ynysybwl.

In the South Wales Echo on 1/9/1982, there was a photo of the ship and a report of 1,22 passengers from Canada, USA and Africa, members of the Royal Order of Moose (should have been the LOYAL Order of Moose)

I looked for Florence in places with a connection to my Grandmother, and found nothing at all.

It wasn't until 2/4/12 that I posted on the FOD site after receiving a copy of the ships passenger list, Florence stated that she would be staying at Broadstreet, Littledean, Newnham.

Slowhands tried everything to find her, but she eluded us.

If she had only mentioned that she would be visiting her sister Mrs. Jones in the FOD it would have been so much easier. :-)

Roll foreward five months and a chance find of her marriage on Family Search, hence EUREKA!

Lots more info later, time for tea.

Margaret

Yes I kept seeing the Kea Cornwall "link" too but couldnt make anything of it, I imagine this has kept you busy, well done sir for pulling it all together !

Re my earlier link to the Nankivel website and this quote from it, perhaps he took it as a family gospel ?
"Each of the (Nankivel) brothers left many descendants"....

atb Jeff

ps it's odd for me to think I may have met one of his ancestors in Pen Y Graig, nr Pontypridd, I'll have to namecheck the "register" book for our graduation day; I lived in & abt Ponty for 3 yrs in the 80s while being eddicated, on a rare summer's day from up on the Graig you could see the next rain cloud rushing in...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penygraig

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Think this is Samson DAVEY - but may be connections here.... as

1861 Census, Cornwall, Perranzabuloe

DAVEY

Jane - Head - Wid - 48 - Farmer 4 or 5 acres, born Cornwall St Agnes
Thomas - 24 Copper Miner - all born Perranzabuloe
Sampson - 11 - ditto
Mary J - 17 Ag. Lab
Isaac - 14- Copper Miner
Susan - 11 - Scholar
Elizabeth A - 7
Emily - 4

I am sure this is your man and his multiple marriages

Name: Thomas Nankivel Davey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1864
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 162

1871 Chasewater Kea Cornwall
Jane Davey 60 St Agnes
Isaac Davey 23 Perranzabuloe
Susan Davey 20 Perranzabuloe
Elizth Ann Davey 16 Perranzabuloe
Emily Davey 14 Perranzabuloe
Thos Nant Davey 6 St Agnes

1881
Jane Davey abt 1813 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Head Kenwyn, Cornwall
Susan Davey abt 1852 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Daughter Kenwyn, Cornwall
Thomas A. Davey abt 1865 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Grandson Kenwyn, Cornwall

Name: Thomas Davey
Name: Caroline Hughes
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1886
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 537

daughter Philippa - his mothers name ...

1891
Thomas Davey abt 1865 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Head Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Caroline Davey abt 1868 Llanvabon, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Edith Ann Davey abt 1880 Penywaid, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Philippa J Davey abt 1890 Penywaid, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Ann Hughes abt 1841 Cambran, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother-in-law Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Harriet Evans abt 1813 Farrington, Somerset, England Grandmother, Grandma (Grandmother) Llantrisant, Glamorgan

1901
Thomas M Davery abt 1866 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Head Llantrisant and Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Caroline Davery abt 1868 Nelson, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Llantrisant and Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Edith Davery abt 1887 Redruth, Cornwall, England Daughter Llantrisant and Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Philippa J Davery abt 1891 Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llantrisant and Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Anne Hughes abt 1837 Cwmbran, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother-in-law Llantrisant and Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Name: Caroline Davey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903
Age at Death: 35
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 285

Name: Thomas Nankevill Davey
Name: Mary James
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 768

Probably him appearing across the Atlantic
1910 ?
Thomas Davey Luzerne, Pennsylvania abt 1866 widow from Wales (!)

and back to
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38429

<><><><> daughters Edith Ann & Philippa Jane

Name: Sidney John Kelland
Name: Edith Ann Davey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1907
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1030

1911 38 Bank St Penygraig Ystradyfodwg
Sidney John Kelland 25 Cymmner
Edith Ann Kelland 25 Penycraig
Thomas John Kelland 3 Penycraig
Ann Hughes 72 Cwmbran

Name: Sidney M Kelland
Mother's Maiden Name: Davey
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1226

Name: Edith A Kelland
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1962
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 569

Name: Phillipa J Davey
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 607

and again she comes back across the Atlantic Heading to Broad St Littledean Gloucestershire

Name: Florence Davey
Birth Date: abt 1845
Age: 83
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 29 Jul 1928
Port of Arrival: Cardiff, Wales
Ship Name: George Washington
Shipping Line: United States Line
Official Number: 215447

Year: 1936
Month: Mar
Day: 9
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Broad Street Littledean
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: W Stanley
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/14
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

Year: 1932
Month: Jul
Day: 25
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Broad Street Littledean
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: W Stanley Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/14
Page_No: 18
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

1911 Broad St, Littledean, Newnham, Glos
Samuel Jones 53
Mary Jones 56

1901
Samuel Jones abt 1857 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean, Gloucestershire
Mary Jones abt 1854 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Littledean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1867 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Littledean, Gloucestershire
Edith Priday abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Littledean, Gloucestershire

1891
Samuel Tomas abt 1858 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Tomas abt 1855 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred J Tomas abt 1878 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Ethel G M Tomas abt 1888 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Samuel Jones abt 1858 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Jones abt 1856 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred S. Jones abt 1878 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

JONES Samuel
MORGAN Mary
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1877 6 44

Name: Samuel Jones
Name: Mary Morgan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1877
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 435

Year: 1856
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Mary (and Fanny)
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Deans Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughters of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Visiting Sister MRS. Cooper, Glen Lyon, Luzerne PA.

Possible

Fanny MORGAN married Samuel COOPER, WOS,1883, Register Office, so no ages.

Year: 1856
Month: Aug
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: COOPER
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 83
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1861
James Cooper abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Cooper abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cooper abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Cooper abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Cooper abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Cooper abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann B Cooper abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Eliza Cooper 38
Elizabeth Cooper 19
Thomas Cooper 17
Samuel Cooper 14
James Cooper 12
Anbelande Cooper 9
Richard Cooper 7
Ann Maria Cooper 6
William Cooper 4
John Cooper 2

and then seems to fit with the 1883 marriage to Fanny MORGAN.

Name: Samuel Cooper
Name: Fanny Morgan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1883
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 366

COOPER Samuel
MORGAN Fanny
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1883 7 109

suggest they cross the Atlantic in the mid-late 1880's

1891 UK census no clear trace
1890 US census destroyed (?)

1900 Luzerne PENN
Samuel Cooper
Fannie Cooper

1910 Luzerne PENN
Samuel Boople ( COOPER) age 54 circa 1856/57
Fannnie Boople age 54 circa 1856/57
Rosie Boople 26
John Boople 19
Alexander Boople 20
Jennie Boople 15

1920 Luzerne PENN
Samuel Cooper 1857
Fannie Cooper 1860

1930 Luzerne PENN
Fannie Cooper 1860

Margaret posted yesterday that she felt that Flo was Thoms Davey's second wife, on what grounds I don't know (although seeing the LDS hits I was beginning to wonder too) ??

I still wonder if this could indeed be the same Thos Nankevil Davey that Flo marries a few years later ??. However trying to search for Thomas & Mary Davey in the 1911 Census hasn't shown up any obvious hits, which may mean they have indeed already emigrated ?. I certainly havent found an obvious convenient Death for Mary around the early 1900s, but its a very popular name to disentangle....
A Mary Davey marries in Pontypridd in Sept 1908, another in Cardiff in Sept 1911, but no evidence yet to even suggest it's "our" Mary marrying again after leaving Thomas Nankivet; but again there are a heck of a LOT of Mary Daveys in this area !

As the 1911 Census is available to me, and abt the right timeframe, I've tried searching it for a Mary Davey maybe born abt 1865 (like Thos). Again there are LOTS of such ladies, many with spouse Thomas, most in "our" area of the SW UK. One "possible" hit is here, a "widow" after just one year; perhaps Thos staged his death to "runaway" to the US, or maybe she's saying this to cover her own good name, or am I just being fancifull again !

1911 Wales Census
Mary Davey Head(widow) abt 1867, 44yrs, Married 1 yr, Labourer, Swansea Glamorgan Wales, 10 Campbell St.

Ah well... and I thought Nankivet would be an "easy" name to trace....
Thanks again for helping.

I haven't found a 1st.marriage for him and there should be one.

I still don't know how Florence is connected to Ynysybwl, Glam, unless one of her siblings moved there, for work in the coalfields?

Cheers,
Margaret

a possible connection ?

1911 Pontypridd
Charles Davey 31 Tunbridge Wells KENT
Florice Davey 24 Pontypridd
Edner May Davey 3 Llanwonno Ynysbwl
Gwyneth Davey 1 yr 10/12 Llanwonno Ynysbwl
Edith Maud Davey 3/12 Llanwonno Ynysbwl

Name: Charles Davey
Name: Florrie Marchant
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1028

1901
Charles Davey abt 1880 Tunbridge, Wiltshire, England Head Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Mary A William abt 1849 Llandsiea, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mother Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Robert S Davey abt 1887 Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales Brother Llanwonno, Glamorgan
William Prosser abt 1878 Clehonger, Herefordshire, England Visitor Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1901
Florrie Merchant abt 1887 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Servant Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1891
William Merchant abt 1851 London, England Head Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Merchant abt 1851 Blackwood, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanwonno, Glamorgan
William G Merchant abt 1874 Merford, Yorkshire, England Son Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Carrie Merchant abt 1880 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Lizzie Merchant abt 1884 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Florey Merchant abt 1887 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1881
Robert Davey abt 1855 Winsham, Somerset, England Head Tonbridge, Kent
Mary A. Davey abt 1851 Llandibea, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Tonbridge, Kent
Charles Davey abt 1880 Tunb Wells, Kent, England Son Tonbridge, Kent

1861
William Davey abt 1824 London, Middlesex, England Head Winsham, Somerset
Mary Davey abt 1819 Payhembury, Devon, England Wife Winsham, Somerset
Elizabeth Davey abt 1849 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
Eliza Davey abt 1851 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
John Davey abt 1853 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Robert Davey abt 1855 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Emma Davey abt 1858 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
William Davey abt 1860 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
George Davey abt 1860 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Richard Davey abt 1820 London, Middlesex, England Brother Winsham, Somerset

Yes I noticed on LDS the early and surely? related deaths of Sampson & Phillipa last night, very sad it seems. After looking up the Nankival name on FreeBMD and LDS I see it's perhaps not as unusual as I thought, very much centred around Cornwall and Devon to start with altho' I see an 1842 Birth in Aberystyth(coastal mid Wales) so they did get about, the first I see in Cardiff?Ponty area are:

Births Mar 1885
Nankivell Albert Edward W Cardiff 11a 326

Births Mar 1886
NANKIVELL Frederick William Cardiff 11a 3_5

Deaths Mar 1886
Nankivell Frederick William 0 Cardiff 11a 265
Nankivell Mary 24 Cardiff 11a 263 (Mother of Frederick ?)

By WW1 this seemingly rare name is getting upto London, the Midlands and beyond.

I've found this dedicated & very interesting FH site which may yield further good info Margaret ?
http://www.mumma.org/nankivell/
I see:
"A broad history of the family from the 1600s seems to be that the Nankivells were miners (tinners) of Cornwall.
The Nankivells, who in the late 17th century, settled at St Agnes, are thought to descend from the St Columb family. By about 1690, the third generation of the St Agnes family included four brothers: Richard, Benjamin, Samuel and Samson. Each of the brothers left many descendants."

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Hi Margaret, I'm VERY pleased you've seen the actual Census; sorry to ask but hopefully you can understand my reason for asking, sometimes people get attached to a particular PR because it conveniently "fits" in spite of perhaps contradictory evidence elsewhere. Especially in this case where our Thos Davey is unfortuantely rather casual wrt his age etc.

Yes you're right, now that MPG has joined in the three of YOU will sort this one I'm sure. Methinks this mere newbie bloke is struggling on this one, altho I'll try and help of course.

LOL Jeff

Now given the very unusual middle name this must be the same man, surely ?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
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BREWER Annie Pontypridd 11a 768
Davey Thomas Nankevill Pontypridd 11a 768
James Mary Pontypridd 11a 768
Pritchard Daniel Pontypridd 11a 768

AND HE'S IN PONTY !!

Sadly without a certificate don't know who marries who here. I've searched the area >for likely births, none for mother Brewer (altho several in Cornwall for years to >follow), several for mother James in South Wales altho not Ponty or Cardiff, BUT >James is a VERY common surname there so no proof.

By a process of elimination we can trace a Daniel Pritchard and deduce that Mary JAMES marries Thomas Nankevill DAVEY

and later

name:Thomas N Daivey
titles & terms:
event: Marriage
event date: 20 Jul 1918
event place:Luzerne, Pennsylvania, United States
age: 49
estimated birth year: 1869
father:Samson
father's titles & terms:
mother:Phillipa Tonkin
mother's titles & terms:
spouse: Florence Morgan
spouse's titles & terms:
spouse's age:43
spouse's estimated birth year: 1875
spouse's father:John
spouse's father's titles & terms:
spouse's mother:Sophia Ruck
spouse's mother's titles & terms:
reference number:
film number: 2260856
digital folder number: 004833187
image number:00538

<><><><><><>

1891
Julianna Pritchard abt 1848 Somerset, England Head Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Pritchard abt 1871 Llantillio-Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire
William Pritchard abt 1873 Llantillio-Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire
Julianna Pritchard abt 1875 Llantillio-Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire
Daniel Pritchard abt 1880 Llantillio-Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire
Amy J Pritchard abt 1882 Llantillio-Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire

1901
Daniel Pritchard abt 1880 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Boarder Abersychan, Monmouthshire

1911 69 Hanbury Road Pontnewynydd Nr Pontypool Mon
Daniel Prichard 31 Abergavenny
Annie Matilda Prichard 31 Hythe KENT
William H J Prichard 5 Pontypool
Percival Cyril Prichard 3 Pontypool
Reginald A Prichard 2 Pontypool
Irene Annie Prichard 11/12 Pontypool
Frank Collier 24 Brixham Devon
Sarah Ann Jones 19 Pontypool

Name: Daniel Pritchard
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 158

That find re Flo's second(so interesting ?) trip to the states on the Lusitania no-less is a real gem, bags of usefull info there, well done !

Your mention of "sister" Fanny reminded me of this PR I spotted t'other night, could they be one & the same I think so !

Please see your earlier thread for more detail/context;
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=36422

Record ID 7230 & 7231
Entry Number 680
Year 1856
Month Dec
Day 14
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forenames Fanny AND Mary
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Sophia
Mothers Surname
Residence Deans Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J G Smythies
Event Baptism
Memoranda Daughters of
Notes
Register Reference P85 IN 1/1
Page Number 85
Parish Chapel Cinderford St John

(Yes I combined two PRs into one for brevity).
If this Fanny was born 1856 at the latest then by her marriage in 1883 she's aged abt 27 which seems fine. I see on GlosBMD, Samuel is a very popular Cooper name, but I still think this may be our man's birth looking at the date, also note his mother's maiden name!

Birth Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
COOPER Samuel COOPER COOPER MORGAN 1856 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 16 423
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

From FoD PRs Advanced Search can find several Cooper/Morgan marriages across Dean around the mid-late 1800s, but they were common names so may be unrelated.
This is ours;

Record ID 14443
Entry Number 232
Year 1851
Month Nov
Day 20
Grooms Surname COOPER
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age 24
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Pillowell
Grooms Fathers Surname Cooper
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation Miner
Brides Surname MORGAN
Brides Forenames Eliza
Brides Age 19
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Whitecroft
Brides Fathers Surname Morgan
Brides Fathers Forenames William
Brides Fathers Occupation Engine Man
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Thomas G[illegible]s
Witness 2 Mark of George Benfield
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Henry Poole
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P145 IN 1/20
Page Number 116
Parish Chapel Parkend

Giving (as per GlosBMD above):

Record_ID: 7211
Entry_Number: 661
Year: 1856
Month: Aug
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: COOPER
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 83
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: C160

Marriage: Turo District: J/A/M Qtr 1863

Phillipa Nakivel TONKIN
Sampson DAVEY

1851 Census, Cornwall, St Agnes
5 Mithian

John TONKIN - 50 - Tin Miner, all born Cornwall St Agnes
Mary TONKIN - 49
Phillipa TONKIN - 13
Ann TONKIN - 9
Elizabeth NANKIVELL - unmarried sister, 42, Formerly Servant

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Philippa is still in St Agnes 1861 census with her parents - age 24, Dressmaker - born Perranzabuloe, Cornwall ****

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Think this is Samson DAVEY - but may be connections here.... as

1861 Census, Cornwall, Perranzabuloe

DAVEY

Jane - Head - Wid - 48 - Farmer 4 or 5 acres, born Cornwall St Agnes
Thomas - 24 Copper Miner - all born Perranzabuloe
Sampson - 11 - ditto
Mary J - 17 Ag. Lab
Isaac - 14- Copper Miner
Susan - 11 - Scholar
Elizabeth A - 7
Emily - 4

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Ancestry Death Index

Phillippa Nakivel DAVEY - died age 32, J/F/M Qtr 1869 - Turo

Sampson DAVEY - died age 30 O/N/D Qtr 1869 - Turo

I have looked at the original 1940 Census, it looks more like an 'N' than anything else.

Thomas keeps changing his birthdate, 1864 baptism, and age 49 when he married Florence in 1918. Also that his parents were Phillipa Tonkin and Samson Davey.(Family Search, under the name Thomas N.DAIVEY)

Nankivel and all the variations seem to be a very old Cornish name, it was also his mother's middle name, perhaps the Ponty one was related in some way, although this marriage in 1906 was 12 years before Flo's marriage, a lot can happen in 12 years.

The three of us will get there in the end :-)

Margaret

Not quite fun yet, but it beats root canal work by a whisker'

Just found Flo in 1910

22nd. Sept. 1910
Liverpool/NY
LUSITANIA
Flora MORGAN
age 33
Single
Littledean, Glos
Ticket paid; Self
Been to US before; yes
Year or period of years; 5
Visiting Sister MRS. Cooper, Glen Lyon, Luzerne PA.

had been staying in Broad St Littledean

Possible

Fanny MORGAN married Samuel COOPER, WOS,1883, Register Office, so no ages.

The original document from Ellis Island is very poor, no names on it (don't ask)

Glen Lyon was on the 1906 doc, but I couldn't make it out at the time.

Found a Sibling for Thomas, Edwin Davey,baptism,1866, Truro.

The Pontypridd marriage is very odd.

Margaret

"United States Census, 1910,"
Thomas Davey in household of David Hampton, Nanticoke Ward 5, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
name: Thomas Davey
birthplace: Wales
relationship to head of household:
residence: Nanticoke Ward 5, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
marital status: Widowed
race : White
gender: Male
immigration year: 1906
father's birthplace: Wales
mother's birthplace: Wales
family number: 278
page number: 14
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self David Hampton M 40y Pennsylvania
wife Mary Hampton F 40y Maryland
dau Agnes Hampton F 13y Pennsylvania
dau Jennie Hampton F 10y Pennsylvania
son David Hampton M 6y Pennsylvania
Llewelyn Williams M 62y Wales
Thomas Davey M 44y Wales
Gwilym Llewelyn M 25y Pennsylvania
Frances Williams F 25y Pennsylvania

THIS Thomas claims to be born abt 1866, so perfectly fitting Thomas Nankivel. It may be worth finding out what part of Wales Llewelyn Williams is from and when he sailed to the US, it may tie up with Thomas ??.

Yesterday I'd read the 1920 US Census that gave him as Thos M Davey aged 50, hence that was what I searched for last night and what I appeared to find in Thos Mark near Cardiff in 1901, a perfect fit I thought.

However, I see you've now taken him as Thos Nankivel born 1864 ??.

ie from LDS, which I've only just seen:

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,"
name: Thomas Nankivel Davey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Oct 1864
baptism/christening place: St. Agnes (near Truro), Cornwall, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Sampson Davey
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Philippa
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02543-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596548
reference number: item 9 p 88

On re-reading the post re the US Census Returns, I see the 1930 Census gives him as plain Thomas Davey aged 58, whereas the 1940 Census gives him as Thomas N. Davey aged 72 !?!. HELP !
QUESTION: do you have access to read the actual US Census forms, to decide once and for all what his middle name initial actually is ?

Meanwhile, how do you know which Thos is yours ?

I've just searched again for Thos N Davey b1864 on the 1901 UK Census on LDS without finding any "N"s at all, ditto on the 1911 UK Census on Ancestry. I cannot find him. Perhaps he's already crossed the Atlantic, or maybe he's just one of the several Thos Daveys (no middle initial given) I've seen listed in various households but ALL still in their home Cornwall/Devon area so NOT near Florence ?. (Thats assuming of course he's met Florence in the UK before they married in the US, why else would she travel there alone ?).

I must say I thought finding Thos Mark Davey very near Cardiff in the 1901 census was relevant, especially as he was THE hit amongst several also-rans.

As I posted yesterday it seems to me that if possible the emmigration records for Thomas really do need finding, so we know when he leaves the UK Census's and enters the US ones. I realise you've posted one record, for which the given age doesnt particularly match your associated birth; please, how do you know these are correct ?. Surely this young arrival at NY would accurately know his age ?. If he had a middle name wouldn't he give it on arrival (sorry, I don't know how precise these pasenger list records are). Either way it seems quite literally a needle in a haystack given the sheer numbers of Thos Daveys entering the US. Yes I see the Thos arriving is from Cornwall, but this man's given age differs from the LDS record above by 6 years !

To recap, according to LDS there are half a dozen or more "possible" Thomas Daveys born "England" in the US Census of the approximate birthdate, so plenty of room for confusion. Thankfully many of them go thro the US Census' with wives so some can be discounted, but even so if he had been married before Florence then ???.

Meanwhile, this may be your man, off LDS, but presumably not Nankivel:

"United States, New England Naturalization Index, 1791-1906,"
Thomas Davey, 1906

name: Thomas Davey
event: Naturalization
event date: 1906
event place:
age:
birth year: 1867
birthplace: England
nara publication title: Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906
nara publication number: M1299
nara roll number: 8
film number: 1429678
digital folder number: 4638984
image number: 05313

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Finally, do you have any views as to whether Florence Priscilla A. MORGAN born Cardiff Sep 1903 actually is your Florence's daughter as per my post ?

I do hope this helps. Personally I'm very confused now, and it's very late so I look forward to hopefully hearing from your later today.

atb Jeff, in wet & wild Middlesex.

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LATER PS:

Re your belief it is Thos NANKIVEL Davey, is this because you've seen the following ?. I've just searched all "Thos N Davey" on FreeBMD and find:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1864 (>99%)
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DAVEY Thomas Nankivel Truro 5c 162

Now given the very unusual middle name this must be the same man, surely ?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
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BREWER Annie Pontypridd 11a 768
Davey Thomas Nankevill Pontypridd 11a 768
James Mary Pontypridd 11a 768
Pritchard Daniel Pontypridd 11a 768

AND HE'S IN PONTY !!
Sadly without a certificate don't know who marries who here. I've searched the area for likely births, none for mother Brewer (altho several in Cornwall for years to follow), several for mother James in South Wales altho not Ponty or Cardiff, BUT James is a VERY common surname there so no proof.

Great record you think, or at least I know I did !.

HOWEVER he's there in 1906, whereas your passenger record shows "him" to be sailing to NY in 1892, so ????.

Food for thought methinks (or in my case a very late supper or early breakfast, goodnight!).

Are you having fun yet?

OK - I am only sending this as your last comment was regarding a previous wife for Thomas. I have no idea on all your history, as I am loosely following your hunt for Florrie (although they are starting to grow on me)...

I found this on Family Search and Ancestry:
In 1900, this Thomas is in the same town that your Thomas is in in 1920 with Florence. I'm not sure about the 1910 location (haven't checked that).

I don't know if this is the first wife because what would have happened to all those children? Divorce? Regardless, I thought I would let you be the judge of that and send you the information anyway. Immigration year is close to what you found. I have rarely found the immigration date to be accurate, but within a year or two is a good shot.

name: Thomas Davey
1900 US Census
ED 85 Luzerne borough Ward 3-4, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, United States
birth date: Jun 1872
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
race or color (standardized): White
gender: Male
marital status: Married
years married: 7
estimated marriage year: 1893
mother how many children:
number living children:
immigration year: 1892
page: 7
sheet letter: B
family number: 128
reference number: 65
film number: 1241433
digital folder number: 004115124
image number: 00182
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Thomas Davey M 28 England
wife Mattie Davey F 25 Pennsylvania
son Stephen Davey M 6 Pennsylvania
daughter Lydia Davey F 2 Pennsylvania

1910 US Census:
name: Thomas Davey
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Self
residence: Liberty, Susquehanna, Pennsylvania
marital status: Married
race : White
gender: Male
immigration year: 1891
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
family number: 106
page number: 6
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Thomas Davey M 39y England
wife Mattie Davey F 34y Pennsylvania
son Stephen T Davey M 15y Pennsylvania
son Edwin L Davey M 10y Pennsylvania
dau Edith Davey F 8y Pennsylvania
son William Davey M 7y Pennsylvania
son Walter Davey M 4y Pennsylvania
dau Mildred Davey F 1y Pennsylvania

Florence was single and alone when she went to New York, a Domestic servant, and a friend paid for the ticket.

She has gone and got herself lost again in the 1910 Census.

Thomas DAVEY, born about 1868
Parents;
Sampson DAVEY and Phillippa Nankivel Tonkin,
Married 1863 Truro.

Phillippa died Mar q. 1869 in Truro.
Sampson died Dec q. 1869 in Truro.

1871 Census Truro
Thomas H. Davey b 1868.

Emigration
Thomas Davey age 22
Liverpool /NY
16th August 1892
'ALASKA'
Last residence; Cornwall
Destination NY

I haven't found a 1st.marriage for him and there should be one.

I still don't know how Florence is connected to Ynysybwl, Glam, unless one of her siblings moved there, for work in the coalfields?

Cheers,
Margaret

ps by then the SS Teutonic was an old liner who had sadly seen better days. She had been built for the same White Star Line, and in the same Belfast shipyard, as the later Titanic. Indeed, when launched in early 1889, she was the first White Star ship not to have square rigged sails ! It's interesting to read she was built as an armed "merchant auxiliary cruser" sporting eight 4.7" calibre guns !, soon removed before entering passenger service. Whether this exercise was just a means to an end (eg gaining financial assistance from the Government), or because there was already a fear of impending world wars, is perhaps debatable.

This fantastic website has a huge amount of detail describing the ship including many photos
http://www.gjenvick.com/SteamshipLines/WhiteStarLine/1889-Teutonic-ShipHistory.html
http://www.thegreatoceanliners.com/teutonic.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Teutonic_(1889)

Thanks to Slowhands and Jefff and Wendy for all the info. http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38429

Don't know why I was looking for a death for Sophia RUCK, I knew Florence would drive me batty in the end.

As Wendy mentioned, Florence was a bit confused about when she arrived in the USA
I have now received a copy of a passenger list.

Florence MORGAN
Liverpool/NY
15th. August 1906
TEUTONIC
Age 28
Residence, LITTLDEAN, ENGLAND.

visiting friend Samuel COOPER

I am really pleased to be getting somewhere now.

Cheers,
Margaret