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Robert BEALE at Castlemorton WORCS in 1871 (reply)

dennisc3 — Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:59:43 +0000

I must apologise for the fact that the last message on this thread never received a reply. I have no excuse other than age! The Robert born at Tirley appears to be the one whose death was recorded at Tewkesbury in 1848. I have not found an entry for him in the 1841 census and clearly he died before the publication of any of the useful censuses.

robert living with his daughter Ann Wadley in 1871 is, however, definitely my man.

William / Robert BEALE Staunton/Dymock /Redmarley area (reply)

dennisc3 — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:45:40 +0000

I am away from home for the next week and cannot access all my records. Our Robert Beale is the one who married Elizabeth in Birtsmorton in (as I recall) 1804. The Castlemorton census entries for Robert and Elizabeth at Castlemorton are all ours, as is the entry when the widower Robert is living with his daughter Ann Wadley. I have certainly seen the Tirley entries in the past, but in all of the censuses Robert is adamant that he was born in Castlemorton/Birtsmorton. His age varies considerably over the censuses from about 1787 to 1801, but the most likely seems to be about 1793/7. When I get home I will post more of the info I have.

Thanks again to you and Jefff for your help.

regards

Dennis

William / Robert BEALE Staunton/Dymock /Redmarley area (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:54:14 +0000

If William is the brother of Robert, I could possibly have a breakthrough on my hands. Robert is my GGG Grandfather and has been avoiding me for years. Have you found anything at all which suggests a connection please? The other question, since I am a little out of touch, is would the bride and groom's fathers be named in marriage registers for 1815? Answers to these two questions are, I know, unlikely, but could further my research overnight!
Thanks for all your trouble.

Whilst not your Robert - it "hints" that this might be the correct trail for you to follow :-)

Year: 1772
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: Robert
Residence: Dymoke Glostershire
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: B Briscoe
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P309 IN 1/3
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent

which may link to these 3 records

Year: 1769
Month: Nov
Day: 5
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Eldersfield
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: B Briscoe
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: wife of Robert Beale
Notes:
Register_Reference: P309 IN 1/3
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent

Year: 1732
Month: Aug
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: BEAL
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WOOD
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jos[eph] Gegg Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: GDR V1/75
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Corse

Year: 1702
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: BEALE
Child_Forenames: Robert
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Joane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Venerable Redit
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P309 IN 1/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent

<><><>< and then a William and Ruth BEALE to consider

Year: 1800
Month: May
Day: 31
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: Ruth
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 309114
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent

Year: 1764
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: BEALE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: of this parish of Stanton
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: RIGHT
Brides_Forenames: Ruth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish of Stanton
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Sep 16 23 30
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John Barrow
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Barrow
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P309 IN 1/5
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Staunton near Newent

on the Marriage register question - in general the older the register the less likely to have father/parental details supplied.

Robert BEALE at Castlemorton WORCS in 1871 (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:05:25 +0000

While searching LDS for clues wrt Robert, I found this additional Census hit to add to those above:

"England and Wales Census, 1871,"
Robert Beale in household of Ann Wadley, Berrow, Worcestershire, England

name: Robert Beale
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 80
relationship to head of household: Father
birthplace: Birtsmorton, Worcestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Upton Upon Severn
sub-district: Upton Upon Severn
event parish: Berrow
county: Worcestershire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Ann Wadley F 46 Castlemorton, Worcestershire
son Thomas Wadley M 16 Birtsmorton, Worcestershire
son William Wadley M 14 Birtsmorton, Worcestershire
son Frederick Wadley M 12 Pendock, Worcestershire
daughter Mary Wadley F 10 Berrow, Worcestershire
son Allen Wadley M 7 Berrow, Worcestershire
daughter Louisa Wadley F 4 Berrow, Worcestershire
son George Wadley M 2 Berrow, Worcestershire
father Robert Beale M 80 Birtsmorton, Worcestershire

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I realise 1788 is slightly before the expected timeframe but Tirley isn't too far at all from "our" area, have you considered this possible Baptism from LDS ?. Perhaps worth tracking thro' the Census if only to be discounted ?

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Robert Beale, 1788

name: Robert Beale
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Aug 1788
baptism/christening place: TIRLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Beale
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C03639-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 427792, 857049

I've just see this PR is also within the FoD PRs database, so has presumably already been seen and discounted ?.

Record ID 299579
Entry Number
Year 1788
Month Aug
Day 10
Parents Surname BEALE
Child Forenames Robert
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P334 IN 1/2
Page Number
Parish Chapel Tirley

Presumably their Marriage:

Record ID 110373
Entry Number 138
Year 1786
Month Apr
Day 13
Grooms Surname BEALE
Grooms Forenames John
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Widower
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Tirley Gloucestershire
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname DENGUE
Brides Forenames Ann
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Parish of St Mary De Crypt
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Richard Cill
Witness 2 Mary Allen
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Joseph Baylis Curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P154/11 IN 1/8
Page Number 36
Parish Chapel Gloucester St Mary de Crypt

Also a sibling:

Record ID 299563
Entry Number
Year 1787
Month Apr
Day 29
Parents Surname BEALE
Child Forenames Ann
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P334 IN 1/2
Page Number
Parish Chapel Tirley

Parents on Marriage Registers c1815 ? (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:56:25 +0000

Hi Dennis,
re the second part of your question, here's two c1815 Marriages "randomly" taken from the FoD PRs. As you can see neither of them have parent's details at all in this instance, altho of course it's not unheard of for the parent(s) of illegitimate children to be witnesses at their child's marriage (not that I'm saying this is the case here of course!). So, sadly I suspect for you, this backs up my experience that yes it's possible the parents are named but not by any means always the case.
Hopefully Slowhands will give us the benefit of his far greater experience in due course.

Record_ID: 111150
Entry_Number: 394
Year: 1809
Month: Sep
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: BEALE
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TRENFIELD
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of the same Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 3 10 & 17 Sep 1809
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Eliz[abe]th Breenton[?]
Witness_2: Charles Wheeler
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W G Hornidge Off[iciating] Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P154/15 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 209
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester St Nicholas
Soundex_Groom: B400
Soundex_Bride: T651

Record_ID: 94518
Entry_Number: 13
Year: 1815
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: BEALE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HOWMAN
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: George Fisher
Witness_2: The mark of Betty Teague
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Commeline Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Parents
Notes:
Register_Reference: P265 IN1/10
Page_Number: 5
Parish_Chapel: Redmarley
Soundex_Groom: B400
Soundex_Bride: H550

Over to Slowhands...

William / Robert BEALE Staunton/Dymock /Redmarley area (reply)

dennisc3 — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:44:58 +0000

If William is the brother of Robert, I could possibly have a breakthrough on my hands. Robert is my GGG Grandfather and has been avoiding me for years. Have you found anything at all which suggests a connection please? The other question, since I am a little out of touch, is would the bride and groom's fathers be named in marriage registers for 1815? Answers to these two questions are, I know, unlikely, but could further my research overnight!
Thanks for all your trouble.

BEALES in Glos 1851 Census, born Newent (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:27:59 +0000

Dennis,
for your info in case helpfull, including the following I have now posted all the Beale/Beals born at Redmarley & now Newent I can find in the Glos 1851 Census.
I can find no Bales.

1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0374-0394 ED.5B REDMARLEY 2
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 093
Address: Village

WHITE Elizabeth HD W 79 -
WOR Staunton (c1772)
BEAL Elizabeth GD U 30 - WOR Redmarley * (c1821)
BEAL Edwin GS - 1 - WOR Redmarley (c1850)
ALLEN William LG U 64 Ag Lab WOR Redmarley (c1787)
HOWELLS Joseph LG W 50 Ag Lab GLS Ashleworth (c1801)

(Sorry, the cd's extensive key to abbreviations doesn't explain the * !)

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1974 1851 CENSUS HO107/1974 FF.0437 - 0460 ED.6F TEWKESBURY 3
Piece: 1974 Folio: 0442 Schedule: 019
Address: Church St

RUDGE Edmund HD M 49 Master Tanner E.6M,2B SOM Nailsea (c1802)
RUDGE Frances WI M 44 Master Tanner's Wife GLS Leigh (c1807)
RUDGE Edmund SO U 19 Articled Clerk GLS Tewkesbury (c1832)
BEALE Rachael SV U 33 House Servant WOR Redmarley (c1818)

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1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0075-0090 ED.6 NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0078 Schedule: 004
Address: Reeces

BEALE Joseph HD M 26 Ag Lab GLS Newent (c1825)
BEALE Hannah WI M 29 - GLS Sheepscomb[e] (c1822)
BEALE Joseph SO - 2 - GLS Newent (c1849)
BEALE Charles SO - 7M - GLS Newent (c1850)
BEALE Mary MO W 66 Ag Lab GLS Oxenhall (c1785)
BEALE Charles BR U 21 Ag Lab GLS Newent (c1830)

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1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0075-0090 ED.6 NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0081 Schedule: 024
Address: Moat House

THOMSON Henry HD M 40 Farmer of 204 Acres E.7L GLS Newnham (c1811)
THOMSON Mary E WI M 28 - GLS Taynton (c1823)
THOMSON Frances DA - 3 - GLS Newent (c1848)
THOMSON Mary E. DA - 1 - GLS Newent (c1850)
PHELPS Thomas SV U 24 House Servant GLS Newent (c1827)
BEALE Christopher SV U 24 Farm Labourer GLS Newent (c1827)
LANE Harriot SV - 13 House Servant GLS Dymock (c1838)
CORNWELL Eliza SV U 19 House Servant GLS Dymock (c1832)
BURRUP Ann SV W 33 House Servant HEF Much Marcle (c1818)

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1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0166-0190 ED.8B NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0178 Schedule: 068
Address: High Street

COWMEADOW William HD M 48 Ironmonger & Smith E.3M GLS Newent (c1803)
COWMEADOW Mary WI - 42 - GLS Bromsberrow (c1809)
COWMEADOW Frances DA - 11 Scholar GLS Newent (c1840)
COWMEADOW James B. SO - 9 Scholar GLS Newent (c1842)
COWMEADOW Harriot DA - 6 Scholar GLS Newent (c1845)
COWMEADOW Julia DA - 4 Scholar GLS Newent (c1847)
BEALE Elizabeth SV - 16 House Servant GLS Newent (c1835)

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1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0144-0165 ED.8A NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0153 Schedule: 041
Address: Bury Bar Street

BEALE Isabella HD W 76 Landowner GLS Newent (c1775)
WARNE Anne VR U ? - GLS Newent (c1851)
WARR Mary SV U 17 House Servant GLS Dymock (c1834)
PAINE Henry SV U 19 Errand Boy GLS Newent (c1832)

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1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0204-0215 ED.9B NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0207 Schedule: 004
Address: Taynton

JONES Charles HD M 43 Farmer of 120 Acres E.4L GLS Oxenhall (c1808)
JONES Harriett WI M 48 - GLS Newent (c1803)
JONES William SO U 19 Farmer's Son GLS Newent (c1832)
JONES Maryann NC U 24 - GLS Oxenhall (c1827)
CARTER Jane SV U 16 General Serv. GLS Highleadon (c1835)
BEALE John SV U 18 Farm Serv. GLS Newent (c1833)
WINTLE Charles SV - 12 Farm Serv. GLS Taynton (c1839)

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Hope this is of some help wrt your family history researches.

Alfred Beale b1852, William & Mary Anne, Dymock Chapel (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:20:47 +0000

Hi Dennis,
re the 1861 Census, I'm surprised FMP site doesnt find it in full, perhaps if you try again using the details of the LDS transcript I've posted.

name: Alfred Beale
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Grandson
birthplace: Worcester Redmarley D Abitot
record type: Household
registration district: Newent
sub-district: 2 Redmarley
ecclesiastical parish: Worcester
civil parish: Redmarley D'Abitot
county: Gloucestershire

Don't know abt you but I struggled to find Redmarley family in the past as I mistakenly only searched within Glos, not realising it had also been part of Worcs.
Perhaps you've applied too many too specific filters wrt dates, ages and places, not to mention the possible variations of spelling Beale ?.
Sorry, not trying to patronise, just help. When I use the library access for FMP & Ancestry I always have to untick the "exact" boxes etc before I get good results.

If LDS had the Census I'm sure the UK subscription sites will too.

Hope this helps, keep on hunting and you're catch them !

Alfred BEALE 1853 ish Dymock /Redmarley area (reply)

dennisc3 — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:37:45 +0000

Thank you Slowhands for your help. The 1852 wedding is correct, witnesses were Mary Ann's brother Peter and Williams's sister Caroline. Thanks also for the confirmation of the grandmother Ann's name in the 1861 census. I still have not found the entry in findmypast, but grandmother Ann is not right. Mary Ann's mother was Anne Cooper born 14 years earlier - 1783 - in Herefordshire. This would also explain why there are so many names I do not recognise as family on that census. The censuses for William's father Robert, incidentally, invariably show him as being born in Castlemorton or Birtsmorton. I have never actually found his birth or parentage and this seems, in general, to have set the theme for the whole family! Once he had been born, Robert was well-documented, but the earlier days have been eluding me for about twenty years now.

Thanks again to both your good self and Jefff for your help.

Alfred Beale b1852, William & Mary Anne, Dymock Chapel (reply)

dennisc3 — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:24:33 +0000

Many thanks Jefff for your input. The September 1852 registration is certainly our man. I am having problems finding the two 1861 census entries you mention though. Do you have any further references please? I have a sub to findmypast and whatever search criteria I put in, these entries do not come out of the woodwork! The one referring to him as the 7 year old grandson with his grandmother sounds promising and I need to find it! The names on the 1871 Redmarley census do not fit in with other family names I have, and I think there is less likelihood of a match.

The Bromsberrow Heath marriage of 1852 is also correct for William and Mary Ann (Preece, who came from Ashperton, Herefordshire).

Alfred had two brothers, James who was my Great Grandfather, and John born at Bredon in 1865. I have documentation for James from birth, through censuses until he left England for the USA where he died. I also have his family emigrating to be with him and six months later returning to Gloucester after he died.

John, like brother Alfred, is also eluding me. I'm beginning to think they came to sticky, and possibly unrecorded, ends!

TWO Wm BEALES born abt 1822 AND 1827 in Redmarley area (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:32:43 +0000

Thanks S for confirming my LDS post earlier, but am confused as to whether or not she is grandmother or not, evidence for both it seems !. Guess you believe William b1822 is true father ?.

From GlosFHS cd for 1851 Census:
1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0144-0165 ED.8A NEWENT 1
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0162 Schedule: 123

Address: Upper Church St

BEALE William HD M 29 Ag Lab GLS Newent (c1822)
BEALE Amy WI M 35 - GLS Newent (c1816)
DALBY Mary LG U 21 Out Door Lab GLS Newent (c1830)
BUNDY Margaret - U 5M (At Nurse) GLS Newent (c1850)

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Re your William Beale b1829 shown in the 1841 Census, think this is him in 1851:

1974 1851 CENSUS HO107/1974 FF.0089 - 0100 ED.7 DEERHURST 1
Piece: 1974 Folio: 0094 Schedule: 019
Address: Mayos Farm
FISHER William HD M 35 Farmer of 84A E.1 Lab WOR Pendock (c1816)
FISHER Mary Marri WI M 28 Farmer's Wife HEF Hereford (c1823)
FISHER Marria Luaza DA - 3M - WOR Pendock (c1850)
BEALE William SV U 24 Carter WOR Redmarly [Redmarley] (c1827)
STAIT Joseph SV - 14 Carter Boy - Furley [GLS Tirley?] (c1837)
JONES Mary SV U 20 Ser of All Worke GLS Dymock

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or even ?

1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0091-0108 ED.5 NEWENT 1

Piece: 1960 Folio: 0095 Schedule: 009

Address: New Town

CADLE John HD W 60 Farmer of 120 A Emp.7M GLS Westbury on Severn (c1791)
PRIDAY Elizabeth CI W 67 Care of Household Affairs GLS Westbury on Severn (c1784)
BEALE William NP U 23 Druggist GLS Newent (c1828)
BEALE Frederick NP U 22 Attorney GLS Newent (c1829)
HARRIS Ellen SV U 32 Housekeeper GLS Brookthorp[e] (c1819)
MARTIN Hannah V U 30 House Servant GLS Newent (c1821)
DAVIS Emanuel SV U 17 Farm Servant GLS Newent (c1834)

thanks Jeff.

Alfred BEALE 1853 ish Staunton/Dymock /Redmarley area (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:26:51 +0000

with a possible with "Grandmother" - is William BEALE 1792ish brother to Robert BEALE ?

Staunton- Ledbury rd area, Castle morton is not too far away towards Malvern

Year: 1815
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: BEALE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HOWMAN
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: George Fisher
Witness_2: The mark of Betty Teague
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Commeline Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: With consent of Parents
Notes:
Register_Reference: P265 IN1/10
Page_Number: 5
Parish_Chapel: Redmarley

1841
William Beal abt 1796 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
Ann Beal abt 1801 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
William Beal abt 1829 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
Joseph Beal abt 1831 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
Charles Beal abt 1835 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
David Beal abt 1837 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
Mary Beal abt 1840 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire
George Beal abt 1827 Worcestershire, England Dabitot Redmarley, Worcestershire

1851
William Beal abt 1792 Staunton, Gloucestershire, England Head Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire
Ann Beal abt 1797 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire
Joseph Beal abt 1831 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Son Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire
Charles Beal abt 1834 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Son Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire
David Beal abt 1836 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Son Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire
Mary Beal abt 1839 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Redmarley d Abitot, Gloucestershire

Year: 1851
Month: Nov
Day: 4
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: William
Residence: Redmarley
Age_at_death: 58
Officiating_Minister: J Le Marchant [?] Assis[tan]t Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P265 IN 1/15
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Redmarley

1861
Ann Beale abt 1801 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Beale abt 1821 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Daughter Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
Joseph Beale abt 1832 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Son Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
David Beale abt 1836 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Son Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
Mary Beale abt 1839 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Daughter Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
Edwin Beale abt 1852 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Grandson Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire
Alfred Beale abt 1854 Redmarley D'abitot, Worcestershire, England Grandson Redmarley DAbitot, Worcestershire

1871
Ann Beale 67
Elizabeth Beale 49
Edwin Beale 21
Alfred Beale 18
John Webley 34
Mary Webley 30
Hannah Webley 6
Anna Webley 4
Ellen Webley 1

1881
Alfred Bale abt 1856 Redmarley, Worcestershire, England Powick, Worcestershire

Robert BEALE 1790ish Castlemorton WORC (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:08:53 +0000

The FOD records show Alfred Beale, the son of William and Mary Anne Beale, christened at Bromsberrow Heath on 1st August 1852. I have never managed to find him in subsequent records, but have also noted a possible death.

Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: BEALE
Child_Forenames: Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bromesberrow Heath Dymock
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Charles Hill Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P63 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Bromsberrow

Record_ID: 64776
Entry_Number: 1090
Year: 1861
Month: Mar
Day: 23
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Newent
Age_at_death: Infant
Officiating_Minister: F. Harrison
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1 / 13
Page_No: 137
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: B400

Could anyone with knowledge of the registers in the area advise me if a child of nearly nine years of age might be referred to in the register as an infant please?

Many thanks if you can help

Dennis

Infant - young child / baby

Year: 1852
Month: Feb
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: BEALE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Bromsberrow Heath
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Beale
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: PREECE
Brides_Forenames: May Ann
Brides_Age: 28
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Bromsberrow Heath
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Preece
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Peter Preece
Witness_2: Caroline Beale
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Simons
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/27
Page_Number: 81
Parish_Chapel: Dymock

1841
Robert Beale abt 1801 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Beale abt 1801 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire
Ann Beale abt 1828 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire
Jane Beale abt 1834 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire
Hester Beale abt 1836 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire
Caroline Beale abt 1838 Worcestershire, England Castle Morton, Worcestershire

1851
Robert Beale abt 1793 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Head Castlemorton, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Beale abt 1783 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Wife Castlemorton, Worcestershire
William Beale abt 1822 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Son Castlemorton, Worcestershire
Esther Beale abt 1834 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Castlemorton, Worcestershire
Caroline Beale abt 1836 Castlemorton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Castlemorton, Worcestershire

1861
Robert Beale abt 1787 Birtsmorton, Worcestershire, England Head Birtsmorton, Worcestershire
Ester Beale abt 1837 Castle Morton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Birtsmorton, Worcestershire

Witness Pete P

1841
Peter Reece abt 1815 Dymock, Gloucestershire
Henrikar Reece abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire
Selina Reece abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire
Louisa Reece abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire

1851
Peter Preece abt 1815 Arhpinter, Herefordshire, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Henrietta Preece abt 1817 Sandhurst, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock, Gloucestershire
Selina Preece abt 1839 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
Ann Preece abt 1846 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
Leah Preece abt 1849 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
John Preece abt 1850 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
William Badam abt 1821 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Dymock, Gloucestershire
Samuel Badam abt 1824 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Dymock, Gloucestershire

1861
Peter Preece abt 1815 Asperton, Herefordshire, England Head Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire
Henrietta Preece abt 1817 Sandhurst, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire
Selina Preece abt 1839 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire
Leah Preece abt 1849 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire
John Preece abt 1851 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire
William P Preece abt 1854 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Ryland, Gloucestershire

Alfred Beale b1852, William & Mary Anne, Dymock Chapel (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 05:57:54 +0000

A "possible" from the 1881 Census ?:
I cannot find any Cheltenham births abt 1850 to match this record, on FreeBMD or Glos BMD. I suggest he may have adjusted his birthplace as a Cheltenham address would better "suit" a tailor in affluent & fashionable Brighton.

name: A Beall
age: 30
gender: Male
birth year: 1851
birthplace: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Tailor
address: 20 Kings Road
census place: Brighton, Sussex, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341257
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 1091 / 43
page number: 34
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head A Beall M 30 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
wife M Beall F 25 Bognor

(Having said this, my use of the Ancestry Search pages for clues shows there are a fair few Beales in the London & Sussex areas so no proof of course, just a suggestion for future possible research)

Searching Alfred's birth & parents,
From Glos BMD, a possible Marriage:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BEALE William PREECE Mary Ann Gloucester Dymock St Mary the Virgin 1852 16 No 1 161

Which matches this FoD PR:
Record ID 22117
Entry Number 161
Year 1852
Month Feb
Day 19
Grooms Surname BEALE
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age 30
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Labourer
Grooms Residence Bromsberrow Heath
Grooms Fathers Surname Beale
Grooms Fathers Forenames Robert
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname PREECE
Brides Forenames May Ann
Brides Age 28
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Bromsberrow Heath
Brides Fathers Surname Preece
Brides Fathers Forenames John
Brides Fathers Occupation Mason
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Peter Preece
Witness 2 Caroline Beale
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister J Simons
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P125 IN 1/27
Page Number 81
Parish Chapel Dymock

(Possible PR transcription error here wrt May - Mary ?)

From GlosBMD, Birth for Alfred, again possible error wrt Mother's name ?:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BEALE Alfred BEALE BEALE REECE 1852 Gloucester Gloucester, Redmarley 5 368

which matches,

From FoD PRs, as posted earlier:
Record_ID: 182043
Entry_Number: 353
Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: BEALE
Child_Forenames: Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bromesberrow Heath Dymock
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Charles Hill Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P63 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Bromsberrow
Soundex: B400

I hope this helps and hopefully ties in with some of your research, sorry for limited Census records but LDS is a cumbersome site to navigate.

Alfred Beale (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:36:46 +0000

Hi Dennis,
I am NOT an expert in these things, other posters will be, but in my experience no I would not expect a child aged 9 to be referred to as an infant in old PRs.
In the 1960s I went to Bilson Primary School, Cinderford, First in the "Infants" for a couple of years, then moved up to the "Juniors" for another 4? years, and finally moved to Secondary school starting aged 10/11 years. Nowadays these "infants" would be referred to as "preschool", I think. So in this rather non-technical respect "infant" suggests say 8 years at the oldest.
I see the dictionary states the word "infant" is from Latin "infans", meaning "unable to speak", it suggests a modern maximum age of 3 years.

The following reference carries many useful observations wrt Victorian Parish Registers, Church Records and Census data based apparently on a fair degree of experience. It states
"The term infant seems to have been used to describe people, say, 0 to 3 years old, whereas child was used for 3 to 10. I'm not exactly sure on this point."
http://fullerfamilyhistory.users.btopenworld.com/FFH_Information.htm

I'd tend to agree with this definition.

Re the particular Infant Burial you have mentioned, I believe this Baptism more closely relates to it, also from this site's PRs.

Record_ID: 179058
Entry_Number: 1407
Year: 1860
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: BEALE
Child_Forenames: Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Knappers
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: F. Harrison
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 176
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: B400

Searching for all Alfred Beales BMD register entries in Newent District on FreeBMD gives these results:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1852
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Beale Alfred Newent 6a 194

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Births Jun 1860
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BEALE Alfred Newent 6a 201

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Deaths Mar 1861
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Beale Alfred Newent 6a 161

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Births Sep 1870
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BEALE Alfred Newent 6a 250

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Deaths Sep 1898
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Beale Alfred 28yrs Newent 6a 150

Now I realise this is not conclusive, as they may have moved in or out of the District, but on the face of it these Records read alongside the above FoD PRs seem to suggest that the "odd" record, ie a Birth with no corresponding Burial, is "your" 1852 one.

I hope this helps. Meanwhile hopefully you or another poster will be able to find your Alfred within the 1861 etc Census, sadly I cannot except via LDS.

Searching Alfred born abt 1852 on LDS I find this 1871 Census return for an Alfred born abt 1853, correct area and mother Ann, could he be yours ?:

name: Alfred Beale
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 18
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Newent
sub-district: Redmarley
event parish: Redmarley
county: Gloucestershire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Ann Beale F 67 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
daughter Elizabeth Beale F 49 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
son Edwin Beale M 21 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
son Alfred Beale M 18 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
son-in-law John Webley M 34 Dymock, Gloucestershire
daughter Mary Webley F 30 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
granddaughter Hannah Webley F 6 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
granddaughter Anne Webley F 4 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
granddaughter Ellen Webley F 1 Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5YF-JLN

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presumably the same lad in 1861, sorry dont have the whole household this time:

same family ??
name: Mary A Beale
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 4
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Newent, Gloucestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Newent
sub-district: 1 Newent
ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester Bristol
civil parish: Newent
county: Gloucestershire

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This seems most likely fit for the family(less Alfred) from the 1851 Census:

1960 1851 CENSUS HO107/1960 FF.0374-0394 ED.5B REDMARLEY 2
Piece: 1960 Folio: 0387 Schedule: 082
Address: Vellage

BEAL William HD M 59 Carpenter GLS Staunton (c1792)
BEAL Ann WI M 54 Ag Lab GLS Dymock (c1797)
BEAL Joseph SO U 20 Ag Lab WOR Redmarley (c1831)
BEAL Charles SO U 17 Ag Lab WOR Redmarley (c1834)
BEAL David SO U 15 Ag Lab WOR Redmarley (c1836)
BEAL Mary DA - 12 - WOR Redmarley (c1839)

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Alfred BEALE 1852 Bromsberrow / Dymock

dennisc3 — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 00:14:56 +0000

The FOD records show Alfred Beale, the son of William and Mary Anne Beale, christened at Bromsberrow Heath on 1st August 1852. I have never managed to find him in subsequent records, but have also noted a possible death.

Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: BEALE
Child_Forenames: Alfred
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bromesberrow Heath Dymock
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Charles Hill Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P63 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Bromsberrow

Record_ID: 64776
Entry_Number: 1090
Year: 1861
Month: Mar
Day: 23
Surname: BEALE
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Newent
Age_at_death: Infant
Officiating_Minister: F. Harrison
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1 / 13
Page_No: 137
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: B400

Could anyone with knowledge of the registers in the area advise me if a child of nearly nine years of age might be referred to in the register as an infant please?

Many thanks if you can help

Dennis