For the record, Elizabeth Hawkins should be Eliza and Lily should be Lydia. All the info matches, what I know to be true!

Eliza became a widow in 1896. She would have been 62, when her daughter, Lydia married William Kilby, in 1904. It's not unlikely the entire family continued to live together.

Only three more years until the 1911 Census is released! This will have to wait, until then....

Thanks once again, "Slow". You're first class, all the way!

CHW

Name: Thomas Walter King
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

Looks like he is living in Berry Hill in

1901 Berry Hill
Elizabeth Hawkins abt 1843 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Caleb Hawkins abt 1883 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Lily Hawkins abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
William Hawkins abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Tom King abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Monmouthshire

< Lily transcription could be Lidy >

1891 Berry Hill
John Hawkins abt 1847 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hawkins abt 1843 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Caleb Hawkins Jabt 1886 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edith Hawkins abt 1877 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Hawkins abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William Hawkins abt 1880 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas King abt 1890 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire

< Is Edith transcription Lydia / Edie / Lydy >

and Caleb is witness here :-

Year 1904
Month Jan
Day 23

Groom Surname KILBY
Groom Forename(s) William
Groom Age at Marriage 31
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Five Acres
Groom Father's Surname Kilby
Groom Father's Forename(s) John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Collier

Bride Surname HAWKINS
Bride Forename(s) Lydia
Bride Age at Marriage 29
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Berry Hill
Bride Father's Surname Hawkins
Bride Father's Forename(s) John
Bride Father's Rank or Profession (deceased)

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Caleb Hawkins
Witness 2 Susan Hale
Other witnesses None
Officiating Minister C. Barnes Vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda -
Transcriber's Notes -
Register Reference PFC82 IN 1/7
Page No 218
Parish/Chapel Christchurch

and here is Mary Hawkins King Whitlock in 1901

1901
George T Whitlock abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Whitlock abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ellen Whitlock abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Florence M Whitlock abt 1897 Brynmawi, Breconshire, Wales Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
William F Whitlock abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

""Forest folk maintained that Berry Hill was 'the last place God made - and then Him had to apologize.' ""

Gloucetershire Archives has some of the surviving records:-

Salem Free Church, Berry Hill

GB/NNAF/C588 (Former ISAAR ref: GB/NNAF/O73944)

Scope - 1942-1982: marriage register
Repository - Gloucestershire Archives

NRA catalogue reference NRA 3514 Glos RO misc

There are those who believe that the Ministers of the Free churches looked after the Registers/records and they have been passed from Minister to Minister, so they may still be around but not in Public archives.

The BMD's are in fact Civil registration i.e. Birth, Marriage and Death( not strictly CoE). The legal requirements for civil registration have evolved over the last 170 years so this may explain why the earlier non-conformists seem to be missing from the BMD's.
Today "all" BMD events get a civil registration ( as far as I can recall !)

Just to confuse the Church/chapel records will record Baptism, Marriage and Burial - very subtle !!

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Please forgive me, remember I'm a Yank! The idea of an established Church is not familar to me. Am I correct in assuming that bmd's for non-conformists are not listed in C of E?

Thanks, and Happy New Year, to all!

You seem to be able to work wonders with that BMD Index! Would you mind very much looking for a year of death for.... Harriet Ann (Hawkins) Morgan b. 1848 Berry Hill area sometime AFTER Nov. 1909? I've never been able to find the date. Thanks!

could the inscription be worn i.e. 45 not 15 ?

Thanks, Slowhands!

Rachel King
Age 46
Jan Q 1933
Gloucester
Vol 6a
Page 535

1891 Bank Lane Coleford
Edward R Walker abt 1839 Balby, Yorkshire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Ellen M Walker abt 1841 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Mary King abt 1867 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Servant Newland Gloucestershire
Annie M King abt 1879 Ross, Herefordshire, England Niece Newland Gloucestershire

My problem is, I don't know to whom Rachel "belonged". John and Eliza had a daughter, Mary A. "Polly" b,1868. Mary first married Thomas(?) King and later George Thomas Whitlock in 1896. At age 50, I think she would have been too old to be Rachel's mother!

Would SKS PLEASE check the 1891 Census (probably West Dean) and see if Mary King age abt 23 is listed? I think Mr King died shortly after they were married, in 1889. Are there any children, listed with her, with the last name of King ?

As always...THANKS!