Richard Holder married Martha Hannah Birt. I have the census for 1871 which shows him with wife and 7 children. Can't find his marriage (but must be about 1850) or any info on his or her parents. Would be grateful for any help.

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1861
Richard Holder abt 1821 Stanley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Holder abt 1825 Coaley, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Holder abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Holder abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Holder abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jeanetta Holder abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Holder abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Richard Holder abt 1819 Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Holder abt 1825 Coaley, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Holder abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

possible :-
Name: Richard Holder
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 588

or

Name: Richard Holder m Hannah Burt
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Thornbury
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 755

1841
John Birt abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Coaley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Birt abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Coaley, Gloucestershire
Hannah Birt abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Coaley, Gloucestershire
Janetta Birt abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Coaley, Gloucestershire

John BIRT married Sarah SMITH -Coaley St Bartholomew - 31 October 1814 (Banns)

children of John BIRT (Labourer) and Sarah

John - 24 February 1815
William - 3 November 1816
Charles - 9 August 1818
Ann - 15 October 1820
James - 18 May 1823
Martha Hannah - 14 August 1825
Janetta - 16 May 1830

? few miles from Kings Stanley

Richard HOLDER, 24 March 1822, Stroud St Lawrence

Robert (Domestic Servant) and Elizabeth

other siblings

Frederick Rowland - 10 August 1823
Mary Anne - 26 June 1825
Elizabeth ROSE HOLDER - 10 December 1826

Robert HOLDER - Kings Stanley, married Ann COLLINS, 25 December 1818 - Banns
Robert HOLDER (Wid) married Elizabeth ROSE - 3 May 1821 - Stroud

This is possibly the family 1841 census, but Richard's father was William - but helps eliminate - but then again, a William HOLDER (widower) married Betty SMITH at Coaley - 27 September 1830. (William HOLDER married Edith HIGGINS at Coaley 1802) - too many HOLDERS.....

1841 Census Stroud

Betty HOLDER - 50 Laundress
Richard HOLDER - 19
Fred 15, Elizabeth 10, John 6, Mary 35

Possibly
IGI has them as Richard Holder
m. Hannah BART
13 Oct 1845 Berkeley
Husband age 24
Wife 20.

Message sent to your private address also.
Regards

Thanks for that. The 2nd marriage would seem to be the one. Are Coaley and Kings Stanley in the Forest? or maybe the family moved in from the Stroud area originally. Thanks again.

Thanks for the suggested parents of Richard. The Holder/Collins match is in the right place and takes place before the birth of Richard so I'll pencil it in. tnanks again.

thanks for your reply. I'm losing track of all the small places like Berkeley. Got to get the book of maps out.

Barbara

This are quite a few trees on Ancestry with the HOLDER family (and a bit confusing).....

Apart from the births I gave before - there is one other, at Owlpen

Thomas- 20 July 1824, parents Robert (Weaver) and Elizabeth

and this family is quoted

1841 Census, Horsley
Washpool

HOLDER

Robert 50 - woollen cloth weaver, wife Elizabeth 45
Thomas - 15, Ann 15, Jefse 14, Charles 12, Eliza 10, Rober 8, George 6, Susannah 3, Richard 2 (too late for your Richard)

this birth is quoted

Robert HOLDER: 25 December 1798 - parents William HOLDER - 1771 and Sarah AYRES - 1760

This is the info on the 'trees'

1851 Census, Stroud, Parliament Street

Robert HOLDER - 50 Porter to a Chemist (this could be the Domestic Servant)
Elizabeth HOLDER - 60 - Laundress - born Wootton Under Edge
Mary HOLDER - unmarried Sister - age 45 - born Rodborough
Elizabeth HOLDER - 24 - born Stroud
Samuel HOLDER - Grandson, age 6, born Horsley
Thomas HOLDER - Grandson, age 4 - Avening
Francis HOLDER - age 3 - born Avening

From Scribe's Alcove:-

MARRIAGE: 13 Oct 1845 at Berkeley

GROOM BRIDE
NAME: Richard Holder Hannah Burt
AGE: 24 20
STATUS: Bachelor Spinster
OCCUPATION: Labourer
ABODE: Halmore Halmore
FATHER: William Holder John Burt
FATHER'S OCCUPATION: Labourer Labourer

WITNESSES: James Burt, Eunice Jellyman

Are Coaley and Kings Stanley in the Forest?

No just across the River Severn between Dursley and Stroud

Think the BIRT family are O.K. as Hannah did have a brother JAMES (father John)

other witness at Wedding - Eunice JELLYMAN

1841 Census, Coaley

JELLEYMAN

Thomas, 43, Weaver, Elizabeth 48
Anne 22, Unice 14, Maria 12, Edwin 10, Phoebe 8, Ellen 6, Rhoda 1

Eunice Jellyman was the wife of Hannah's brother, James. Marriage 10 Nov 1845 St.Bartholemew, Coaley, Glos