Len Pater was a nephew of Arthur RUCK BRYANT (b 1854 East Dean)

The family background is very well covered in previous threads for 'Stephen Bryant' and 'Helena Bryant'

I cannot find his birth or his parents.

Census 1891 Camberwell
Leonard Pater age 14

Census 1901 St. Savior,Southwark
Leonard Pater age 25

A marriage between Jemima Elizabeth BRYANT to William PATER 1856 Camberwell is a possible match for his grandparents, but Jemima could have started life as Jemima RUCK!

Len was a Merchant Navy seaman, he sent lots of postcards to my family, 1909 to1923, he mostly sailed on passenger liners, many on the Bristol/Montreal route.

Can anyone help?

Regards,

MJL

previous threads

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=30442

Marriage at Southwark, Camberwell Emmanual - 20 January 1856

William PATER - Bachelor, Butcher, of George Street, Camberwell - father Thompson PATER, Builder

married

Jemmina Elizabeth BRYANT - Minor - Spinster, of Newnham Glos. - father Stephen BRYANT - Boot & Shoe Maker

witnesses: James NORRIS and Elias ??? TAYTON.

1881 Census, London Camberwell
66 Lothian Road

Elizabeth F PATER - age 39 - Dressmaker, born Glos. Little Dean
Jemina E - daughter - 18 - born Camberwell, Surrey
Eva - 16
Edith - 15
Tommy BRYANT- visitor age 9 - born Cinderford -
Louisa BRYANT - visitor age 5 - born Cinderford

1891 Census, London Camberwell

Elizabeth PATER - 57 - born Newnham Glos
Thomas PATER - 18 - born Camberwell, Surrey (is this Tommy BRYANT?)
Leonard - 14 - ditto - (was there a mix-up between Louisa/Leonard(?)

?

There is a marriage on Ancestry at Lambeth Emmanuel 24 November 1895

between

a Thomas Charles PATER - age 23, Bachelor, Carman, father: Thomas Charles Pater (Butcher) deceased and
and Elizabeth PAINE

1901 Census, Lambeth

Thomas C PATER - age 27 (born Cumberworth) - but could well be Camberwell
Elizabeth PATER - 28
Elizabeth A - 4
Rose - 2
Chas - 2 months

Thank you m p griffiths, this family is always complicated, I have been chasing them around for months, Leonard never mentioned his family.

1871 Census, Surrey, Camberwell

PATER

Elizabeth - (Widow) 31 - Butcher, born Little Dean
Elizabeth - 13 (all girls) born Camberwell, London
Alice - 11
Mines - 9
Era - 7
Edith - 5
Lydia - 3

1861 Census, Surrey Camberwell
Southampton Street

William PATER - 30 - Butcher, born Wiltshire
Jemima - 22 born Gloucestershire
Elizabeth - 3 - born Camberwell
Alice - 15 months
Sarah HAYDEN - Servant, age 15 - born Surrey
Stephen BRYANT - 14 - born Gloucestershire

Death FreeBDM - William PATER, J/F/M Qtr 1868 Camberwell

Is it possible that Elizabeth age 13 in 1871 was Leonards mother in 1877 (unmarried)?

These daughters need tracking.....

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar, - 1868

PATER William - 28 January

The Will of William PATER late of 117 Southampton Street, Camberwell, in the County of Surrey, Butcher, deceased, who died 28 December 1867 at 117 Southampton-street aforesaid, was proved at the Principal Registry by the oath of Jemima Elizabeth PATER of 117 Southampton Street, aforesaid, Widow the Relict the sole Executrix.

Effects under £100

1851 Census, Surrey, Camberwell

18 Cork Street

William PATER, age 23, Butcher's Assist, born Wiltshire, Not Known

Is this the same Leonard Pater that Married Myra leech in Bristol in 1920 and Died in Bristol in 1943? If so he is in My Family Tree.

Church of Latter Day Saints:

birth: 26 June 1829, Highworth, Wiltshire

William PATER: father - Thompson and Charlotte PATER (as stated on his marriage certificate)

making him a Wiltshire Moonraker

(just up the road from my place of birth)

Death FreeBDM: O/N/D Qtr 1839 - Swindon & C : Thompson PATER

1851 Census, Wilts, Highworth

Townsend

Charlotte PATER - Widow 58, born Wilts, Highworth - deaf
John PATER - son - 15

1841 Census, Wilts, Highworth
Townsend (Work House)

PETRE

Charlotte - 45
William - 12
Charlotte - 9
John - 5

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IGI Batch Numbers for Wiltshire (H) Highworth

Thompson PATER married Charlotte PEAPELL - 19 October 1812

Children:

Ann - 1 November 1833
Susan - 28 December 1827
Charlotte - 2 September 1832
Emma - 26 March 1819
Emma - 5 April 1821
Elizabeth - 8 July 1814
Elizabeth - 17 April 1825
John - 22 February 1823
John - 19 February 1836
and
William - 26 June 1829

hi Alison

Leonard would have been 43 if it was him, as he was away at sea so much he didn't get the opportunity earlier.
Does it fit in with your family tree?

I've not heard of a Moonraker before.

Loads of info on the 'net' regarding the Moonrakers Legend - plus a website just for 'Moonraker' researchers

http://www.moonrakers.org.uk

Have just Checked Death Entry
Leonard Pater
Birth abt 1876
Date of Death Reg JAS 1943
Age at Death 67
Reg District Bristol
Reg County Gloucestershire
Volume 6a Page 203

That makes him 44 1920

If you would like more info please contact me offline.

I still cannot find a birth for LEN PATER, I have lost count of the many variations for the name PATER, I have tried to find out where he should have been in 1881, rather than where he was.

I have a theory I would like to run past you, it needs a very large dose of imagination:

1881 WANDSWORTH

Thomas PATER 1840 (Highbridge?)
Elizabeth J 1845
Thomas W 1867
Elizabeth J 1869
Ellen M 1872
Alice M 1874
George A 1878
William H 1881

Could Frederick Leonard PETERS b1877 and John Thomas Peters b1874 fit in this family, if they had not been staying elsewhere.

I have found some info on the postcards:

Leonard called these his home ports,

191? 25, Argyle St. St. Pauls, Bristol
1910 9a, Childeric Rd. New Cross, London.
1911 6, Nynehead Hill? New Cross
1917, 66, Bathurst Villa, Cumberland Rd. Bristol.
I have the names of the ships he sailed on,(and registration numbers)and a photo of the crew of the SS ROYAL GEORGE.

He is not listed on the Crewlist but an F.PETERS is,sailing in 1905 and 1906.

In my Grandmother's birthday diary, his birthday was 6 August.(not a lot of help)

Regards,
MJL

' Leonard's address: 1911, 6, Nynehead Hill? New Cross

Googling - there is a family tree on the 'net' which mentions a family called George Christopher Waterloo STEELE - and says on the 1911 census, they were living at 51 Nynehead Street, New Cross, Greenwich.

On Ancestry, 1911 Census Summary Sheets....

London, St Paul, Deptford, Deptfort North, District 17 - the STEEL family are there at No. 51 Nynehead Street..

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Page 18 of 19

No. 6 Nynehead Street: Flat

Mrs BORDRICK - 5 males, 3 females : 8 in total

No. 6 Nynehead Street: Flat

Mr BIRD Lodger - 3 males, 3 females, 6 in total

It looks as though his 'home ports' were digs.

I've only just noticed!!

It should, of course, read 'HIGHWORTH' not Highbridge.

Sorry,
MJL