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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They certainly moved about a lot! I don't believe Ernest followed his father's vocation, I believe he was an architect.<br />
B.K. Adams was a railway engineer and died in a railway accident in Mauritius, which may explain the lack of death details?</p>
</blockquote><p>They certainly did !, as did their Woodward ancestors I see, not unusual in Victorian times to find work, of course.<br />
As a mechanical engineer myself I'm impressed by the Adams' technical background,in a time when such people were rightly respected, makes for an interesting FH story too. Unfortunately Familysearch etc don't seem to cover Mauritius (where oddly enough my <strong>Lincolnshire</strong> born step-niece now lives, small world !).<br />
Do you know/need any more records for him ?</p>
<p>I guess you've seen what appears to be a Railway Magazine article about him ?<br />
<span style="color:#006;">&quot;Stephenson Locomotive Society, Journal 872 - November/December 2011, <br />
p245 - Bertram Keith Adams&quot;</span><br />
<a href="http://www.stephensonloco.org.uk/SLS%20-%20Journal_previous.htm">http://www.stephensonloco.org.uk/SLS%20-%20Journal_previous.htm</a></p>
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I see Bertram was aged 34 when in London in 1911, so died after this... </p>
<p>Free-searching the BNA site gives some hits which I presume you know of, did he die in 1915 ?.  I cannot give full details as have no subscription, but it seems he was an eminent engineer to be proud of;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
&quot; news was received at Wilmslow Monday of the sad death at Mauritius of Mr. B. K. Adams, chief engineer the Government ... &quot; </span><br />
Tuesday 6 April 1915 ,  Western Mail ,  South Glamorgan, Wales<br />
and many other papers across the West and Midlands.<br />
<a href="http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk">http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk</a></p>
<p>Also see these records about him<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
&quot;Title: Author: B. K. Adams; The Floating-out of a railway bridge over the River Don at Conisborough<br />
Reference:  O.C/3667<br />
Date:  1906&quot;</span></p>
<p>Held by: Institution of Civil Engineers, not available at The National Archives&quot; <br />
<a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/9ac804de-71fd-419e-9295-aa2986ae7544">http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/9ac804de-71fd-419e-9295-aa2986ae7544</a><br />
See this image, <a href="http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Minutes_of_Proceedings_1907_1000771919/259">http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Minutes_of_Proceedings_1907_1000771919/259</a></p>
<p>I think it refers to the erection of the steel section of the Conisborough Viaduct in Yorkshire, referred to as &quot;the lattice span&quot; at the start of this article;<br />
<a href="http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/bridges/fledconis.html">http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/bridges/fledconis.html</a><br />
<a href="http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/dvr-at-grimethorpe-2-of-series.html">http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/dvr-at-grimethorpe-2-of-series....</a></p>
<p>Also see this image of &quot;The Engineer&quot; magazine from 1898, word-searching the pdf image shows him listed on page 392 as a prizewinner at the Institute of Civil Engineers, he appears to be based in Colombo (Ceylon?) at this time.<br />
<a href="http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/9/99/Er18981021.pdf">http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/9/99/Er18981021.pdf</a></p>
<p>And from the same magazine Index pages for spring 1898, we can see a reference to what I think? details him giving an address to Association of Civil Englneer Students at Manchester abt &quot;Crossing the Manchester, Bolton &amp; Bury Canal by the Intercepting Sewer of the Bury Corporation&quot;.<br />
<a href="http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/b/bb/Er1898v85Index.pdf">http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/b/bb/Er1898v85Index.pdf</a></p>
<p>I wonder if Bertram was essentially a civil engineer, like Ernest, so concerned with the railway's &quot;permanent way&quot;, the line itself, rather than the rolling stock which ran along it, altho in the 1900s there was less demarcation between civil &amp; mechanical than there is nowadays.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike !</p>
<p>For completeness, while Familysearch is so co-operative;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Marriage Record;<br />
Name  John Woodward<br />
Spouse's Name  Deborah Trotman<br />
Event Date  10 Apr 1829<br />
Event Place  North Nibley,Gloucester,England </span><br />
(So just south of Stinchcombe &amp; east of Berkeley, across the Severn from the FoD)</p>
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<span style="color:#006;">1851 Census Chapel Street, Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales<br />
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace<br />
John Woodward  Head  M  47  Butcher Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
Deborah Woodward  Wife  F  50  Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
Enoch Woodward  Son  M  18  Assistant Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
Jane Woodward  Daughter  F  17 Assistant  Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
Sarah Woodward  Daughter  F  15  Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
John Woodward  Son  M  12  Berkely, Gloucestershire<br />
Charles Woodward  Son  M  8  Treirthin, Monmouthshire</span></p>
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Familysearch carries several Baptisms for this family, see <a href="https://familysearch.org">https://familysearch.org</a><br />
including;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Name  Enoch Woodward<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Christening Date  26 Aug 1832<br />
Christening Place  Berkeley, Gloucester, England<br />
Father's Name  John Woodward<br />
Mother's Name  Deborah Woodward<br />
</span><br />
Which suggests they were definitely still in Glos when the first UK census was taken in 1841, so why no census results from Familysearch ?.</p>
<p>Try tweaking the search filters - golden rule may apply, &quot;less = more&quot;, and it seems the family are living in Wales in 1841; perhaps Deborah returned home to be with her mother for the birth, altho this is pre GWR &amp; Severn Bridge etc, so ?</p>
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<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1841 Census, Talywain, Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
Household Role Gender Age<br />
John Woodward   M  35-39  <br />
Deborah Woodward   F  40-44  <br />
Rebecca Woodward   F  11  <br />
Enoch Woodward   M  9  <br />
Jane Woodward   F  7  <br />
Sarah Woodward   F  5  <br />
George Woodward   M  4  <br />
John Woodward   M  2<br />
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<p>Lots of Talywain area info here <a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/files/wal/MON/Trevethan/index.html#Directories">http://www.genuki.org.uk/files/wal/MON/Trevethan/index.html#Directories</a></p>
<p>I see FoD born Blacksmith John HALE &amp; family were there too in 1841. <a href="http://halefamily.net/county1.html">http://halefamily.net/county1.html</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like Charles WOODWARD et al,</p>
<p>GR 1861 Villiers Street (Neath)</p>
<p>John WOODWARD, Head, Mar, 56, Butcher, b. Glos. Stinchcombe<br />
Deborah, Wife, Mar, 60, Glos. Berkeley<br />
John, Son, Un, 22, Butcher, Glos. Berkely<br />
Charles, Son, Un, 18, Butcher, Mon. Abersychan<br />
Elizabeth MCDOWELL, Serv, Un, 20, House servant, Durham, Hartlepool</p>
<p>GR 1871 Census, 21 Villiers Street, Briton Ferrry<br />
Charles WOODWARD, Head, Mar, 28, Butcher, master, employing 1 man, b. Mon. Abersychan<br />
Emily, Wife, Mar, 27, Devon, Exmouth<br />
Polly Jane, Daur, 7, Scholar, Glam. Briton Ferry<br />
Richard Bale, Son, 5, Scholar, Glam. Briton Ferry<br />
John, Son, 4, Scholar, Glam. Briton Ferry<br />
Mary Jane DEMERY?, Servant, Un, 16, Domestic servant, Glam. ??</p>
<p>GR 1881 Census, 21 Villiers Street, Briton Ferry</p>
<p>Charles WOODWARD, Head, Widr, 38, Butcher, b. Mon. Abersychan<br />
Polly J., Daur, Un, 17, Housekeeper for her father, Glam. Briton Ferry<br />
Richard BALE, Father-in-law, Widr, 71, Retired mariner, Devon, Brendon<br />
Mary J DEMARY?, Servant, Un, 29, General servant domestic, Glam. Morriston</p>
<p>GR 1891 Census, Villier Street, Briton Ferry</p>
<p>Charles WOODWARD,Head, Wid, 48, Butcher, Mon. Abersychan<br />
Polly, Daur, S, 27, Housekeeper, Glam. Briton Ferry<br />
John, Son, S, 24, Dairyman, Glam, Briton Ferry<br />
Rebecca ROWSELL,   ,S, 28, Assistant, Curland, Somerset<br />
Richard BALE, Father-in-law, Wid, 81, No occupation, [Curland Somers</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, after a brief chat with my mother she mentioned that her parents had two wedding ceremonies. Which may explain the discrepancy. She's not in great health at the moment, so cannot press her too much for information right now..</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all ties in nicely with aspects I recall from my childhood. We visited Prestatyn regularly, where we had great aunties Hilda &amp; Connie (Constance)<br />
Great stuff!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They certainly moved about a lot! I don't believe Ernest followed his father's vocation, I believe he was an architect.<br />
B.K. Adams was a railway engineer and died in a railway accident in Mauritius, which may explain the lack of death details?</p>
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<title>WOODWARD, Ernest John born 1901 Hednesford, Staffs. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, once again !.</p>
<p>So of the earlier possibilities, it looks like this is definitely our Ernest's Birth Record, a few months too late to catch the 1901 Census;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Births Jun 1901   (&gt;99%)<br />
Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page<br />
WOODWARD  Ernest John     Cannock  6b 545   </span></p>
<p>Cannock District included Hednesford, see <a href="http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cannock.html">http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cannock.html</a></p>
<p>ie Ernest's birth was registered, so probably born, sometime in April/May/June quarter. Birth Certificate would give precise info.</p>
<p>Again from FreeBMD;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1865   (&gt;99%)<br />
Woodward  Richard Bale    Neath  11a 516   </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Sep 1894   (&gt;99%)<br />
Martin  Elizabeth Mary    St. Alban's  3a 942 <br />
Woodward  Richard Bale 3a 942</span></p>
<p>Familysearch has his probable Baptism;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Name  Richard Woodward<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Christening Date  14 May 1865<br />
Christening Place  BRITON FERRY,GLAMORGAN,WALES<br />
Father's Name  Charles Woodward<br />
Mother's Name  Emily Harriet</span><br />
<a href="https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMM1-J9K">https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMM1-J9K</a></p>
<p><br />
From FreeBMD;<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Mar 1863   (&gt;99%)<br />
Bale  Emily Harriet    Neath  11a 505 <br />
WOODWARD  Charles     Neath  11a 505 </span></p>
<p> <br />
Struggling (?) to find them in the Census' on Familysearch, but do find these additional baptisms:</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Polly Jane Woodward<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Christening Date  28 Feb 1864<br />
Christening Place  BRITON FERRY,GLAMORGAN,WALES<br />
Father's Name  Charles Woodward<br />
Mother's Name  Emily Harriet</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  John Woodward<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Christening Date  21 Oct 1866<br />
Christening Place  BRITON FERRY,GLAMORGAN,WALES<br />
Father's Name  Charles Woodward<br />
Mother's Name  Emily Harriet</span></p>
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<p>Searching Elizabeth's Birth shows it's far from a rare name, but IF she was born in St Albans, as per her marriage, then this is her Birth (and yes it perfectly matches the Census info);</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Mar 1871   (&gt;99%)<br />
MARTIN  Elizabeth Mary    St. Alban's  3a 385</span></p>
<p>(Spooky, I wrote a piece for another website today, about St Albans c1990, first time I've mentioned/visited it in many years, not too far from here....)</p>
<p>Family Search gives;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1871 Census for a St Albans Household;<br />
Role Gender Age Birthplace<br />
Edward Martin  Head  M  33  Grocer &amp; Provisoner Bulphan, Essex<br />
Mary Martin  Wife  F  33  North Burton, Yorkshire<br />
Thomas E Martin  Son  M  5  Grocer's Son St Albans, Hertfordshire<br />
Frederick R Martin  Son  M  2  Grocer's Son St Albans, Hertfordshire<br />
Elizabeth M Martin  Daughter  F  0  Grocer's Daughter St Albans, Hertfordshire<br />
George Oldring  Servant  M  27  Kelsale, Suffolk</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1881 Census Alma Rd Offa Ter St Albans St Peter, Hertfordshire, England<br />
Role Gender Age Birthplace<br />
Edward Martin  Head  M  42  Coml Travlr Bulpham, Essex, England<br />
Mary Martin  Wife  F  42  North Burton, Yorkshire, England<br />
Fredk R Martin  Son  M  12  St Albans, Hertfordshire, England<br />
Elizath M Martin  Daughter  F  10  St Albans, Hertfordshire, England<br />
Catherine Elvidge  Mother In Law  F  69  Widow Annuitant North Burton, Yorkshire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">(NB An annuitant is &quot;a person who is entitled to receive benefits from an annuity&quot;, aka &quot;pensioner&quot;.)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1891 Census, Marlborough Road, St Albans.<br />
Role Gender Age Birthplace<br />
Edward Martin  Head  M  52  Grocer Essex, England<br />
Mary Martin  Wife  F  52  Yorkshire, England<br />
Thomas E Martin  Son  M  25 Grocer's Assistant Hertfordshire, England<br />
Frederick R Martin  Son  M  22 Grocer's Assistant Hertfordshire, England<br />
Elizabeth M Martin  Daughter  F  20  Hertfordshire, England<br />
Maud A Titmuss  Visitor  F  21  Hertfordshire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1901 Census, St Peter St, St Albans<br />
Edward Martin  Head  M  62  Grocer shopkeeper Bulpham, Essex<br />
Mary Martin  Wife  F  62  North Burton, Yorkshire<br />
Frederick R Martin  Son  M  32  St Albans, Hertfordshire<br />
Annie Basford  Servant  F  20  Madley, Staffordshire</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
Name  Frederick James Martin<br />
Event Type  Christening<br />
Event Date  12 Feb 1864<br />
Event Place  Arkesden, Essex, England<br />
Father's Name  Edward Martin<br />
Mother's Name  Mary Ann Martin</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Edward Martin<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Christening Date  15 Jun 1838<br />
Christening Place  Bulphan, Essex, England<br />
Father's Name  T... Martin<br />
Mother's Name  Marianne<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNA Liverpool Evening Express - Thursday 04 May 1944</p>
<p>Death Of Rev. R. B. Woodward.— The death has occurred of the Rev. Richard Bale Woodward, Gronant road, Prestatyn, in his 80th year. After 50 years in Wesleyan circuits he retired in 1925. On going to live at Prestatyn he became minister of St. John’s Methodist Church.</p>
<p>GR 1911 Census, 39, Derby Road, Uttoxeter</p>
<p>Richard Bale WOODWARD, Head, 45, Married, Wesleyan Methodist Minister, b. Briton Ferry, Glam.<br />
Elizabeth Mary, Wife, 40, Married, St. Albans Herts.<br />
Constance Margaret, Daur, 15, School, Tutbury Staffs.<br />
Edith Emily, Daur, 14, Part School Part study, Kidsgrove Staffs<br />
Ernest John, Son, 9, School, Hednesford Staffs<br />
Hilda Mary, Daur, 6, School, Swadlincote Derby<br />
Mary Martin, Mother-in-law, 72, Widow, North Burton Yorks.<br />
Frederick Guy MORRIS, Visitor, 26, Single, Wesleyan Methodist Minister, Carmarthen.<br />
Gertrude STATHAM, Servant, 19, Single, Boundary, Ashby, Derby</p>
<p>16 years the marriage, four children, four alive.<br />
9 rooms in the house.</p>
<p>In the 1901 census the family are in Hednesford but Ernest John does not appear.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking again for Ernest John Woodward born Paddington c1901 on the Familysearch site, I don't know why I didn't see this record last night as was focussing too much on the Census returns, it seems (to me) that this excellent f-o-c site has grown it's database since I used it last a few years back, this record is too recent to be available on the FreeBMD website.</p>
<p>Name  Ernest John Woodward<br />
Event Type  Death Registration<br />
Registration Quarter  Oct-Nov-Dec<br />
Registration Year  1984<br />
Registration District  Westminster<br />
County  London<br />
Event Place  Westminster, London, England<br />
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969)  06 Jan 1901<br />
Volume  15<br />
Page  1620</p>
<p>So this is a clear match for the Birth Record I found yesterday, but unfortunately does NOT match our 1971 Burial in Walford, so this Ernest can be discounted. Not surprisingly as I was mistakenly convinced there was another London link here, ah well.</p>
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<p>Familysearch also gives this Marriage Record, which is either<br />
1. Incorrect, as the newspaper shows the actual Marriage took place at Boston, Lincs.</p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>2. Perhaps indicates they were living, so registered the marriage, in Ampthill in Bedfordshire ?   This raises a recurring question for me, in the C20th century, was a Marriage registered &quot;automatically&quot; by the Minister, as I'd always assumed, or was it still down to the couple to register their own marriage in person, which presumably would wait until after the ceremony, honeymoon etc so at their place of residence. Any guidance would be appreciated, please, thanks...  ?? </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Ernest John Woodward<br />
Spouse's Name  Emily Margaret Effie Adams<br />
Event Date  1935<br />
Event Place  Ampthill, Bedford, England</span></p>
<p>Unfortunately altho Familysearch gives several possible hits for Ernest John Woodward in the 1911 and 1901 Census across England, so far I've not found him with his father with initials R.B., partly as this website does not make searching at all straightforward. It's also likely he was recorded as just Ernest, so opening-up many more possible households to check.<br />
<a href="https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22ernest%20john%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Awoodward~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aengland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1900-1902~&amp;collection_id=1921547">https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22ern...</a></p>
<p>If anyone else can help probably with a subscription site I'd be grateful, please, altho' I do appreciate this is going outside of our usual area.</p>
<p>I also suspect that he may also have been a Minister, but so far simple Googling for &quot;Rev E.J. Woodward&quot; etc etc has produced nothing.</p>
<p>??</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've corrected my first post to show Ernest John's father as Rev. <strong>R</strong>.B WOODWARD and not Rev. K.B. I should know better than to put too much faith in the BNA's OCR software.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, wow, absolutely fantastic! I will have to wait until this evening to give all the info you have given me a proper study, thankyou so much, I wouldn't have known where to start!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From LDS aka Familysearch site we can eventually compile these Census', more info is on the site for careful searchers;  <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/">https://familysearch.org/search/</a></p>
<p>(NB where no occupation given, read &quot;daughter&quot;, or for younger cases &quot;scholar&quot; etc).<br />
eg see <a href="https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JF-B5P">https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JF-B5P</a>  which gives</p>
<p><strong>1901 Census Elizabeth Street, Cheetham, North Manchester, Lancashire</strong><br />
Ecclesiastical Parish  St John The Evangelist<br />
Registration District  Prestwich</p>
<p>Household Role Gender Age Occupation Birthplace<br />
William H Williamson  Head  M  61  DRYSALTER  Yorkshire<br />
Emily W Williamson  Wife  F  65  Wife  Liverpool<br />
Edith S R Williamson  Daughter  F  31 Manchester Cheetham, Lancashire<br />
Hannah M Williamson  Daughter  F  29 Manchester Cheetham, Lancashire<br />
<strong>Victoria E Williamson</strong>  Daughter  F  22 Manchester Cheetham, Lancashire<br />
Frank H Williamson  Son  M  26  SOLICITOR  Manchester Cheetham, Lancashire<br />
George T Read  Nephew  M  26  DRYSALTER'S TRAVELLER  Willaston, Cheshire</p>
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<strong>1891 Census Elizabeth Street, Cheetham, North Manchester, Lancashire</strong><br />
Household Role Gender Age Occupation Birthplace<br />
William Henry Williamson  Head  M  51  Druggist &amp; Drysalter  Yorkshire, England<br />
Emily Woodward Williamson  Wife  F  55  Lancashire, England<br />
David Albert Williamson  Son  M  26  Druggist &amp; Drysalter  Lancashire, England<br />
Florence Mary Williamson  Daughter  F  24 Lancashire, England<br />
Annie Lily Williamson  Daughter  F  22  Certificated Teacher Lancashire, England<br />
Edith Salome Rachel Williamson  Daughter  F  21 Certificated Teacher  Lancashire, England<br />
Hannah Margaret Williamson  Daughter  F  19 Lancashire, England<br />
Frank Herbert Williamson  Son  M  16  Assistant to Father  Lancashire, England<br />
Victoria Ethel Williamson  Daughter  F  12 OccupationLancashire, England<br />
Margaret Lowe  Servant  F  15  Lancashire, England</p>
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<strong>1881 Census Elizabeth Street, Cheetham, North Manchester, Lancashire</strong><br />
Household Role Gender Age Occupation Birthplace<br />
William H Williamson  Head  M  41  Drysalter (Master Employing 23 Men &amp; Women)  Bradford, Yorkshire, England<br />
Emily W Williamson  Wife  F  43  Wife  Liverpool, Lancashire, England<br />
Bessie Williamson  Daughter  F  18  Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
David A Williamson  Son  M  17  Drysalter  Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Florence M Williamson  Daughter  F  14 Scholar  Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
James H Williamson  Son  M  15  Drysalter  Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Annie L Williamson  Daughter  F  12 Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Edith S R Williamson  Daughter  F  11 Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Hannah M Williamson  Daughter  F  9 Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Frank N Williamson  Son  M  6 Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Victoria E Williamson  Daughter  F  2 Manchester, Lancashire, England<br />
Margaret Burns  Servant  F  18  Galway Co Luan, Ireland</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Mike we have<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Miss Emily Margaret Effie Adams ,..... only daughter of Mrs. and the late Mr. B. K. Adams, of Prestatyn, North Wales, was married ...... to Mr. Ernest John Woodward, only son of the Rev. and Mrs. K. B. Woodward, also of Prestatyn. The bridegroom’s father was ..... minister at the Centenary Methodist Church, Boston.</span></p>
<p>Hi Deeds, welcome to the forum. Am I right thinking this couple seems to have travelled around the UK quite a lot, was this because Ernest John followed his father and became a Church Minister, perhaps including Castle Frome Herefordshire ?</p>
<p>From this site we have their Burial Records, as you know;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 1000287<br />
Entry_Number: 605<br />
Year: 1961<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 13<br />
Surname: WOODWARD<br />
Forenames: Emily Margaret Effie<br />
<strong>Residence: The Rectory Castle Frome Herefordshire</strong><br />
Age_at_death: 55<br />
Officiating_Minister: J.W.J. Thackwell Vicar of Kempley with Oxenhall Gloucestershire<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: <br />
Page_No: 76<br />
Parish_Chapel: Walford<br />
Soundex: W363</p>
<p>So Emily was born abt 1906 wrt her Burial record, was Ernest working here then ?.</p>
<p>Whereas Ernest's death was in Balham, S.London, I wonder why there, family perhaps ?;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 1000356<br />
Entry_Number: 674<br />
Year: 1971<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 26<br />
Surname: WOODWARD<br />
Forenames: Ernest John<br />
<strong>Residence: 25 Melwood Road Balham</strong><br />
Age_at_death: 70<br />
Officiating_Minister: J.G. Owen Vicar<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: <br />
Page_No: 85<br />
Parish_Chapel: Walford<br />
Soundex: W363<br />
So Ernest was born abt 1901 wrt his Burial record, possibly in London ?.</p>
<p>(continued later)<br />
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<p>Using the excellent FreeBMD site can easily search Emily (with her many names)</p>
<p>FreeBMD gives her birth record; </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname Given Name District Volume Page   <br />
Births Mar 1906<br />
Adams  Emily Margaret E.  Pontefract  9c  130<br />
</span><br />
from <a href="http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl">http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl</a></p>
<p>So birth was registered in the &quot;March&quot; Quarter (ie Jan,Feb or March) of 1906, in the Pontefract Registration District, in the West Riding of Yorkshire; <br />
see <a href="http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/pontefract.html">http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/pontefract.html</a></p>
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Newspaper refers to her father as &quot;the late Mr. B. K. Adams, of Prestatyn, North Wales&quot;</p>
<p>Using FreeBMD to list all &quot;Adams&quot; marriages between say 1870 and 1904, then visually scanning thro the list looking for a male with initials &quot;B.K.&quot;, gave this possible choice, indeed the only one in the UK (on this site), family seem to be mobile so don't worry about the location for now;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Dec 1901   (&gt;99%)<br />
ADAMS     Bertram Keith   Prestwich  8d 505   <br />
Griffiths  Agnes     Prestwich  8d 505   <br />
Hadfield  Charles     Prestwich  8d 505   <br />
WILLIAMSON  Victoria Ethel     Prestwich  8d 505  <br />
</span><br />
Prestwich district was in the North of Manchester, Lancashire, so across the Pennines from the West Riding, and not far from Prestatyn either;<br />
See <a href="http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/prestwich.html">http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/prestwich.html</a></p>
<p>Searching FreeBMD's &quot;births&quot; this time, gave his full name and birthdate, which seems a good match.  Again this is the only record on the database for this name, the great bonus of searching with second names/initials too !;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Dec 1876   (&gt;99%)<br />
Adams  Bertram Keith    Poplar  1c 648 </span></p>
<p>Poplar district is in the East End of London, just across the Thames from Balham, our Ernest's final home, maybe plausible.</p>
<p>I cannot find a Death Record for Bertram, perhaps FreeBMD lacks this area's data ?</p>
<p>Now try (belatedly!) searching them on the last available Census, 1911, from the excellent free-to-access &quot;LDS&quot; aka Familysearch website, <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/">https://familysearch.org/search/</a><br />
which gives;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Emily Margaret Effie Adams<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1911<br />
County  Cheshire<br />
Parish  Wilmslow<br />
Sub-District  Wilmslow<br />
Registration District  Bucklow<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Age  5<br />
Birthplace  Johns Pontefract, Yorkshire<br />
Record Type  Household</span></p>
<p>Familysearch is free, but a bit cumbersome, have to search family members individually by using the &quot;Adams&quot; surname and &quot;Wilmslow Cheshire&quot; residence, so this may not be their complete household;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Name  Stephen <strong>Keith</strong> Williamson Adams<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1911<br />
County  Cheshire<br />
Parish  Wilmslow<br />
Sub-District  Wilmslow<br />
Registration District  Bucklow<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Age  6<br />
Birthplace  Johns Pontefract, Yorkshire<br />
Record Type  Household</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Frank Kingsley Clayton Adams<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1911<br />
County  Cheshire<br />
Parish  Wilmslow<br />
Sub-District  Wilmslow<br />
Registration District  Bucklow<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Age  1<br />
Birthplace  Johns Carleton Ph, Yorkshire<br />
Record Type  Household</span></p>
<p>Looks like Emily's brothers. </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Bertram Keith Adams<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1911<br />
County  Cheshire<br />
Parish  Wilmslow<br />
Sub-District  Wilmslow<br />
Registration District  Bucklow<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Age  34<br />
Birthplace  <strong>London Bow, London</strong><br />
Record Type  Household<br />
</span><br />
So Emily's father, Mr B.K. Adams, was born in Bow, East London abt 1877; as per the earlier records.</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Name  Victoria Ethel Adams<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1911<br />
County  Cheshire<br />
Parish  Wilmslow<br />
Sub-District  Wilmslow<br />
Registration District  Bucklow<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Age  32<br />
Birthplace  Manchester Chestham, Lancashire<br />
Record Type  Household</span></p>
<p>From which can see she was Victoria Ethel WILLIAMSON wrt the Marriage Record above.<br />
So born &quot;Chestham&quot;, Manchester  abt 1879. I think this should read Cheetham, in central Manchester.</p>
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<p>Searching Ernest John Woodward born abt 1901;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Births Dec 1897 <br />
Woodward  Ernest John Witney  3a 913<br />
<strong><span style="color:#006;"><br />
Births Mar 1901 <br />
Woodward  Ernest John Paddington 1a 33</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Births Jun 1901<br />
WOODWARD  Ernest John Cannock 6b 545</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Births Dec 1902 <br />
WOODWARD  Ernest John Burton  6b 419  <br />
</span></p>
<p>So he COULD have been born in Paddington, West London, near the GWR terminus etc, and not far from his final home, Balham.</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Searching the 1911 Census using Familysearch gives quite a few near-matches, but only Ernest NOT Ernest John. None of their fathers have initials &quot;K.B.&quot; as per the newspaper article.</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Sorry, try again tomorrow !</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the names or places below fit what you know or suspect there are some indications of where to start looking,</p>
<p>FamilySearch</p>
<p>Name  Jonquil E V Woodward<br />
Event Type  Birth Registration<br />
Registration Quarter  Jul-Aug-Sep<br />
Registration Year  1940<br />
Registration District  Ross<br />
County  Herefordshire<br />
Event Place  Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3)  <strong>Adams</strong><br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  1390<br />
Line Number  11</p>
<p>Name  Emily M E Adams<br />
Event Type  Marriage Registration<br />
Registration Quarter  Oct-Nov-Dec<br />
Registration Year  1935<br />
Registration District  Boston<br />
County  Lincolnshire<br />
Event Place  Boston, Lincolnshire, England<br />
Spouse Name (available after 1911)  <strong>Woodward</strong><br />
Volume  7A<br />
Page  1132<br />
Line Number  121</p>
<p>Genes Reunited confirms the spouse as <strong>Ernest J WOODWARD.</strong></p>
<p>BNA Lincolnshire Echo - Tuesday 24 December 1935</p>
<p>BOSTON SCHOOLMISTRESS MARRIED <br />
Miss Emily Margaret Effie Adams , until the end of last term Art Mistress at Boston Girls' High School, and only daughter of Mrs. and the late Mr. B. K. Adams, of Prestatyn, North Wales, was married at Boston Parish Church yesterday to Mr. Ernest John Woodward, only son of the Rev. and Mrs. R. B. Woodward, also of Prestatyn. The bridegroom’s father was some years ago minister at the Centenary Methodist Church, Boston. The vicar of Boston (Canon A. Malcolm Cook) officiated. The bride. given away by Mr. George Elsom, of Spalding, wore a gown of old gold marocain with half-length sleeves, trimmed with deep cuffs of grey fur. Silver lace mittens and a brown hat completed the assemble, and she carried a bouquet of gold chrysanthemums.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, would love to find any information about my grandparents, Ernest John and Emily Woodward, who lived at Cobrey circa 1930's/40's <br />
My mother, Jonquil was born there in 1940.<br />
I can only find records of their deaths on the parish records.<br />
would like to hear from anyone who knew them, or anything about them.<br />
Thanks in advance!</p>
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