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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Just to point out that I made a mistake in the original post. It was Jane MEEK's relationship which was overwritten and unclear, not Bertha's.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did Emma meek have illegitimate  child before marrying her husband, so any offspring of said child would also have surname Meek? and would be a grandchild of Emma and her husband</p>
</blockquote><p>Ref this post from Mike Pinchin;<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">GR 1871 Census, East Dean, Edge Hill, {Nr. Cinderford?}</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Moses MATTHEWS, Head, Mar, 24, Iron Miner, b. East Dean, Glos<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, Mar, 23, House duties, Longhope, Glos<br />
Joe, Son, 2, East Dean, Glos<br />
Bertha, Daught { but overwritten and unclear}, 7m, East Dean, Glos<br />
Thomas SIMMONDS, Widower, 54, Farm Labourer, East Dean, Glos<br />
Jane MEEK, Daught, W, 57, Farm Servant Indoor, East Dean, Glos<br />
<strong>Jane Ann MEEK, GDaught, 7, East Dean, Glos</strong></span></p>
<p><br />
Edgehill is the ridge running above Cinderford, running south-north towards Harrow/Harry Hill and Abenhall/Mitcheldean. Presumably Moses worked at Edgehill Iron mines, near Fairplay Mine on the top of this hill twixt Harry &amp; Plump Hill, see this old map. <br />
<a href="http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453373">http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453373</a></p>
<p>To find on modern maps, it's a few yards above/north of the more-recently built A4136 Nailbridge-Mitcheldean road, just before the road enters the bends around the Point, the ponds we visited as kids were at &quot;Fairplay&quot; but appear to be marked as Plump Hill Pond nowadays. </p>
<p><br />
Searching PRs for Meek Baptisms to mother Emma, no father given, can find this; <br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Record_ID: 14295<br />
Entry_Number: 149<br />
Year: 1863<br />
Month: Dec<br />
Day: 25<br />
Parents_Surname: MEEK<br />
Child_Forenames: Jane Ann<br />
Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Emma<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Wigpool<br />
Occupation: [blank]<br />
Officiating_Minister: William Lockett<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P/109 IN 1/3<br />
Page_Number: 19<br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook<br />
Soundex: M200<br />
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<p>Wigpool is only a couple of miles from Edgehill iron mine, they were connected by tramways in the past, which then went on to Cinderford Ironworks.</p>
<p><br />
I think this is Jane Ann's marriage, husband George is a hammerman which means he works at a tinplate works, probably that at Lydbrook owned by Richard Thomas.</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
Record_ID: 16775<br />
Entry_Number: 1072<br />
Year: 1881<br />
Month: Jun<br />
Day: 29<br />
Grooms_Surname: WEBB<br />
Grooms_Forenames: George Henry<br />
Grooms_Age: Of Full Age<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Ham?man<br />
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Webb<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George Henry<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Baker<br />
Brides_Surname: MEEK<br />
Brides_Forenames: Jane Anne<br />
Brides_Age: Of Full Age<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: East Dean<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Meek<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Thomas Hillwater<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Meek<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: C R Greaves Curate<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/10<br />
Page_Number: 79<br />
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean<br />
Soundex_Groom: W100<br />
Soundex_Bride: M200<br />
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<p><br />
I'm new to this thread so hopefully this is relevant, I'm unsure where Jane Ann's &quot;father&quot; John Meek fits in, if at all ?.   Who's ELizabeth Meek ?</p>
<p>Think this is them in 1891,  looks like George is now working at Lydney Tinplate works, like Lydbrook owned by Richard Thomas, it continued operating long after the Lydbrook site was closed.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1891 Primrose Hill, Lydney, <br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
George Henry Webb  Head  M  31  Labourer Tin Worker. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Anne Jane Webb  Wife  F  31  Herefordshire, England<br />
Edith Webb  Daughter  F  8  Gloucestershire, England<br />
Margaret Webb  Daughter  F  6  Gloucestershire, England<br />
Anne Webb  Daughter  F  4  Gloucestershire, England<br />
Beatrice Webb  Daughter  F  1  Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1901 Tutnalls Street, Lydney,Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
George H Webb  Head  M  41  ANNEALER IN TINWORKS. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire<br />
Jane A Webb  Wife  F  41  Ryford, Herefordshire<br />
Margaret M Webb  Daughter  F  16  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
Anne J Webb  Daughter  F  14  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
Beatrice Webb  Daughter  F  11  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
Florence M Webb  Daughter  F  9  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
George H Webb  Son  M  6  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
Mildred Webb  Daughter  F  2  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
Ella J Webb  Daughter  F  0  Lydney, Gloucestershire<br />
William Webb  Boarder  M  37  Cheltenham, Gloucestershire<br />
</span></p>
<p>So Jane Ann was born in Ryford, which is only a few miles north off Wigpool &amp; Drybrook area.  These transcripts are from FamilySearch, it's possible the actual images contained more specific info re placenames etc.</p>
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<p><strong>LATER UPDATE</strong></p>
<p>Searching again found this, which rather suggests this family may NOT be linked to the Baptism of Jane Ann Meek, mother Emma. ??</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1861  Ryeford Jump, Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
John Meek  Head  M  33  Agricultural Labourer. East Dean, Gloucestershire<br />
Abia Meek  Wife  F  33  Linton, Herefordshire<br />
Jane Anna Meek  Daughter  F  1  Weston, Herefordshire</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1881  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
John Meek  Head  M  50  Collier. Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Abiah Meek  Wife  F  50  Linton, England<br />
John Meek  Son  M  20  Biford, England<br />
Annie Meek  Daughter  F  14  Biford, England<br />
</span><br />
(Where's Jane Ann ?.     Suspect Biford should read Ryford).</p>
<p>And also, for completeness, Jane Ann's groom Geo H Meek &quot;residing Ruardean&quot;. <br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1871  Barton St Mary, Gloucester, Gloucestershire<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
George H Webb  Head  M  38  Journeyman Baker. Gloucester, Gloucestershire<br />
Sarah J Webb  Wife  F  20  Wiltshire, Wiltshire<br />
George H Webb  Son  M  11  Gloucester, Gloucestershire<br />
Walter W Webb  Son  M  7  Gloucester, Gloucestershire<br />
Emma J Webb  Daughter  F  1  Ericklade, Wiltshire<br />
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???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Emma meek have illegitimate  child before marrying her husband, so any offspring of said child would also have surname Meek? and would be a grandchild of Emma and her husband</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps a mistake by enumerator, is Thomas a brother to Jane?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage of Thomas Hayward:<br />
Year 1826<br />
Month Apr<br />
Day 4<br />
Grooms_Surname HAYWARD<br />
Grooms_Forenames Thomas<br />
Grooms_Age [not<br />
Groom_Condition [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Residence the Hundred of St Breavils[Briavels]<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Brides_Surname SIMMONS<br />
Brides_Forenames Sarah<br />
Brides_Age [not<br />
Brides_Condition [not stated]<br />
Brides_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence the Hundred of St Breavils[Briavels]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname [not stated]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames [not stated]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Licence_or_Banns Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark Both mark<br />
Witness_1 Mark of Samuel Stevens<br />
Witness_2 Mark of Sophia Stevens<br />
Other_Witnesses <br />
Officiating_Minister Henry Berkin A M Curate<br />
Event Marriage<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference <br />
Page_Number 17<br />
Parish_Chapel Hope Mansell</p>
<p>Marriage of William Simmons:<br />
Year: 1812<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Day: 22<br />
Grooms_Surname: SIMMONS<br />
Grooms_Forenames: William<br />
Grooms_Age: <br />
Groom_Condition: [not stated]<br />
Grooms_Occupation: <br />
Grooms_Residence: Forest of Dean<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Surname: STEVENS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Sarah<br />
Brides_Age: <br />
Brides_Condition: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Forest of Dean<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark<br />
Witness_1: Mark of Saml Stevens<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Elisth Stevens<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin Curate<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: Part of entry in the BTs very faint<br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/6<br />
Page_Number: <br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean</p>
<p>Burial of William Simmons:<br />
Year: 1817<br />
Month: Nov<br />
Day: 25<br />
Surname: SIMMONDS<br />
Forenames: William<br />
Residence: of this parish<br />
Age_at_death: 27 yrs<br />
Officiating_Minister: Ja. Mills Curate<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: <br />
Page_No: 30<br />
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye</p>
<p>Note names of Witnesses at both marriages. This suggests that Sarah was widowed at the time of her marriage to Thomas Hayward. </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some of this is repetition but it might be useful to have it again,</p>
<p>This one needs some explaining!</p>
<p>GR 1871 Census, East Dean, Edge Hill, <em>{Nr. Cinderford?}</em></p>
<p>Moses MATTHEWS, Head, Mar, 24, Iron Miner, b. East Dean, Glos<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, Mar, 23, House duties, Longhope, Glos<br />
Joe, Son, 2, East Dean, Glos<br />
Bertha, Daught , 7m, East Dean, Glos<br />
Thomas SIMMONDS, Widower, 54, Farm Labourer, East Dean, Glos<br />
Jane MEEK, Daught,<em>{ but overwritten and unclear}</em> W, 57, Farm Servant Indoor, East Dean, Glos <em>{corrected}</em><br />
Jane Ann MEEK, GDaught, 7,  East Dean, Glos</p>
<p>These are more straightforward,</p>
<p>GR 1881 Census, East Dean, Plump Hill,</p>
<p>Thomas SIMMONS, Head, Widower, 64, Farm Labourer, b. Glos, East Dean<br />
Jane MEEK, no relationship given, Widow, 68, Char Woman, Glos, East Dean</p>
<p>Living next door to,</p>
<p>Moses MATTHEWS, Head, Mar, 34, b. Glos, East Dean<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, Mar, 31, Glos, East Dean<br />
Joe, Son, 12, Glos, East Dean<br />
Bertha, Daur, 10, Glos, East Dean<br />
Caleb, Son, 7, Glos, East Dean<br />
Lucenda, Daur, 5, Glos, East Dean<br />
Melitha, Daur, 3, Glos, East Dean<br />
William, Son, 1, Glos, East Dean</p>
<p>GR 1891 Census, Shapridge,</p>
<p>Tom W HADDOCKS, Head, Mar, 46, Collier, b. Monmouth<br />
Emma, Wife, Mar, 46, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Alice H, Daur, S, 18, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
William R, Son, 14, Miner, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Charles H, Son, 12, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Sarah E, Daur, 10, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Mary Ann, Daur, 8, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Alfred J, Son, 6, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Minie, Daur,4, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Arthur W, Son, 1, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
Jane MEEK, Mother to wife, Widow, 77, East Dean, Gloshire<br />
George MEEK, Grandson to Head, 3, East Dean, Gloshire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although their residence is given as Longhope both Emma and Mary Ann were baptised at Abenhall,</p>
<p>FODFHT</p>
<p>Record_ID 422<br />
Entry_Number 435<br />
Year 1846<br />
Month Mar<br />
Day 15<br />
Parents_Surname MEEK<br />
Child_Forenames Emma<br />
Fathers_Forenames Richard<br />
Mothers_Forenames Jane<br />
Mothers_Surname <br />
Residence Longhope<br />
Occupation Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister J. Davies<br />
Event Baptism<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference P1 IN 1/7<br />
Page_Number 55<br />
Parish_Chapel Abenhall</p>
<p>Record_ID 493<br />
Entry_Number 506<br />
Year 1849<br />
Month Jan<br />
Day 28<br />
Parents_Surname MEEK<br />
Child_Forenames Mary Ann<br />
Fathers_Forenames Richard<br />
Mothers_Forenames Jane<br />
Mothers_Surname <br />
Residence Long Hope<br />
Occupation Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister M.S. Suckling<br />
Event Baptism<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference P1 IN 1/7<br />
Page_Number 64<br />
Parish_Chapel Abenhall</p>
<p>This might be Eliza MEEK in GR 1851,</p>
<p>GR 1851 Census, Gilwern, Mon.</p>
<p>Thomas PRICE, Head, Mar, 35, Grocer, b. Monmouth, Abergavenny<br />
Mary, Wife, Mar, 34, Monmouth, Llantrissant<br />
Eliza MEEK, Servant, Un, 15, House Servant, Gloucestersh, NK</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to say married Westbury on severn regn area Dec 1838 qtr, as Simmonds.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have checked the census for Emma Meek and found another one aged 5 born Longhope, listed with her grandparents Thos and Sarah Hayward, which could mean that her mother had been married before? Have you a copy of the marriage cert, which would confirm this theory? Or the grandmother had re-married, so she (the granny could have been either a Meek, or a Simmonds/Symonds, you need to look at both names)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like we've been here before Mike.<br />
<a href="http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=3036">http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=3036</a></p>
<p>And also here, although presumably nothing new for Susan, but it may save other readers revisiting old ground.<br />
<a href="http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20538">http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20538</a></p>
<p>Have also tried searching the forum for &quot;Meek&quot; and &quot;Simmons / Symons&quot; etc but nothing found yet.</p>
<p>Regarding your &quot;birthplace anomalies&quot;, I suspect you're like me thinking this is routine stuff and not a deal-breaker, the prior threads all point towards this family being in the north-eastern corner of the Forest (Abenhall, Drybrook, Mitcheldean), perhaps originating from Ross just a few miles further north.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this have something to do with it despite the birthplace anomalies?</p>
<p>GR 1841Census,  Starve Crow???,  Dean Forest (Part of), Banisters,  Ross Registration District</p>
<p>Richard MEEK, 30, Ag Lab, Born in County<br />
Jane, 25, Born in County<br />
Eliza, 5, Born in County</p>
<p>GR 1851 Census, Longhope, Bilbute? House,</p>
<p>Richard MEEK, Head, Mar, 40, Ag Lab, b. Gloucestershire, Longhope<br />
Jane, Mar, Wife, 35, Gloucestershire, Longhope<br />
<strong>Emey, Daur, Un, 5, Gloucestershire, Longhope</strong><br />
Mary Ann, Daur, Un ,2, Gloucestershire, Longhope</p>
<p>FODFHT</p>
<p>Record_ID: 369<br />
Entry_Number: 30<br />
Year: 1838<br />
Month: Dec<br />
Day: 24<br />
Grooms_Surname: MEEK<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Richard<br />
Grooms_Age: Of full age<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Grooms_Residence: Abenhall<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Meek<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Brides_Surname: SIMMONDS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Jane<br />
Brides_Age: Of full age<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: [text missing]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Simmonds<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Not stated<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark<br />
Witness_1: Mark of Elisha Matthews<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Hannah Meek<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: James Davies Rector<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/12<br />
Page_Number: 15<br />
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall</p>
<p><br />
Record_ID: 143152<br />
Entry_Number: <br />
Year: 1812<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 12<br />
Parents_Surname: SIMMONDS<br />
Child_Forenames: Jane<br />
Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: <br />
Occupation: <br />
Officiating_Minister: <br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/4<br />
Page_Number: 8<br />
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Symonds was the wife of Richard Meek and the mother of Emma Meek Emma Meek year of Birth 1846. Would like more information regarding Jane, I seem to have hit a brickwall<br />
Thanks Sue</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 16:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
<category>General</category><dc:creator>Susan Bates</dc:creator>
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